Peavey vs everyone else

[Rushtallica]

There is a depth of tonality, and nuance in playability that makes amps more expensive than peaveys worth the duckets. Period. Silly and purely argumentative to not see the logic.
I had an Ultra plus for years. It (personally to me) like other Peaveys, had a boxy mid I couldn't dial, or speaker out. Again, imo.
My vht, soldano, and builder modded plexi, have a versatility, and depth of range in tones a peavy to me couldnt touch.
A step up from Peaveys, can be an eye opener.
For the record, I still don't get boogies...

The original argument seems to be that those amps are trash compared to the more expensive ones. I can agree there are surely notable differences playing each amp solo in a room. But, for metal music, what about where the aforementioned amps, the 5150 and Recto, have shined -- in a mix? I haven't kept up with much newer music and wish to hear songs by bands that have moved from one of the standbys to a much more expensive amp and ended up with considerably better tone.

 

[H Golf Sport]

Thought I was on Tgp for a second.

 

[Badronald]

The Diezel Herbert really does things the 5150 can't, if you got a chance to play one the differences are not subtle. I'm not talking about the bells and whistles it has, I'm talking straight tonal differences knobs at noon. Is it worth several thousand dollars more? That is up to you. But if your thinking the 5150 is as good as its gets, I would say no. That being said, if it works for you great. I've owned two 5150's bought both new about 5 years apart, didn't miss them for a minute after I sold them. The 5150 and dual rec are mass appeal amps. Mcdonalds is mass appeal food, is it great food?

I dislike that analogy; McDonalds is also trashy junk food. The gear you mentioned has mass appeal because it's not only affordable but does a great job. Maybe some much more expensive amps will sound (subjectively) better when played solo, but will they sound much better in a mix? Maybe. I'd like to hear a comparison. Maybe someone can think of bands that have used Recs and 5150's that later used some of the much more expensive range of amps so that earlier and later tones can be compared.

Just a little off topic, but if I listen to new Metallica (supposedly James uses Diezels) his tone doesn't compare to say Master of Puppets. Not even close. I'd take the old Boogies any day over one of these new high gainers.
I played a VH4 once and it sounded great, but I have no interest in getting one at all.

 

[smucarolina]

The OP is a really sly troll.

 

[VESmedic]

Troll thread or not: my Opinion.

I've owned it all in the high gain world. I've owned numerous 5150s, bogners, engls, splawn, VHT/Fryette, boogie, diezel etc. It really does come to tone preference, and what you want.

I just recently sold my Diezel herbert. I traded it in for an EBMM JPXI 7, because to ME, the guitar did more for me than the diezel ever did. The EBMM inspires me to play like no guitar I have ever picked up, and is the best guitar I have ever played. The hebert was not the "Best" amp I have ever played. I ran a stereo rig with a VHT UL, and a Diezel herbert. IT was mindblowing yes, but for the price, and what the herbert was being used for, I couldn't justify it financially. What did I put in my rack with the VHT UL to run in stereo now? My Trust old 5150/6505.

To me, the 5150s midrange and grind can not be beat. It is a great sound, and a REASON why it is used on damn near EVERY metal album of the last 10 years. Say what you want, but that holds alot of water in my book. These studios could be using everything else under the sun if they want. I know producers personally that may use a 5150 for something, or a herbert for something else, or a boogie for something else etc....It all goes into what YOU want for your sound. I love the 5150 sound, so I use it. I am a VHT/Fryette ultimate fanboy, so I use them. Do they cost more? sure. Are they the sound I hear in my head/the feel I want? Absolutely, and so is the 5150. I've owned it all, and I keep coming back to it for a reason.

The Diezel Herbert is a phenominal amp, but if it doesnt have the tone I want to the T, I'm not going to use it, especially not at the price. But that brings up another point. Diezels aren't 4 grand in Europe I believe, neither is Engl. But boogies over there are around that price, so you have to think about the economics of it all as well.

The herbert ( just an example) offers a TON more than the 5150 series will ever offer. Midi, 3 seperate loops ( one parallel, switchable, and another serial), 3 channels with different sets of EQ, seperates masters etc...They are not mass produced by any means etc. All of these things are reflective in price...It's up to you as the player to figure out what is important to you, and what is not. I loved all those features the herbert has, but at the end of the day, I couldn't justify live in my rack with my UL for what I use it for, and for the tone that it offers...I missed that grind of the 5150, and the organic natural tone it produces. Again, it all goes back to what YOU want and desire. Just because something is 45000000 dollars, does not mean it is better, I don't care what anyone says. Better made, better quality control etc, maybe...but again, the mass produced 5150 stuff must be doing something right, cuz I don't hear about 5150s failing that often, if ever, other than a tube issue. Another guy put it best....Dont follow the cork.

 

[HerbieBoogie]

Peavey makes great stuff for the money like everyone seems to be saying. After owning a diezel herbert and a mesa roadking 2 i can honestly say that every time i play a 6505+ i feel malnourished afterwards. Peavey is good for what it is, however it is not good for what it is not (a high end amp).

Im a dick and i admit it. cheers.

You were cool until that last line.

being cool is what i strive for, I just wanna fit in...

just kidding friend. cheers

 

[Stone Heavy Sound]

This thread might as well be about Ferrari vs. Dodge. The price of anything is tied to its supply/demand: Demand being the operative word. Anyone who denies that endorsements trick people into buying amps or overpaying for amps should reconsider. Prime example: Dumble. At the end of the day, the pedigree of Peavey speaks for itself. Lots of legit people use their amps with amazing results. I also have and love boutique amps from Custom Audio, Framus, but I would NEVER in a million years say they smoke my 5150, if anything they offer a unique tone or a cool format, like my Soldano SP77; rack mount, sick but different tone. After many years and trials, the 5150 is my go-to high gain rhythm tone and lives in the rack. Indestructible and ballsiest high gain sound for my taste. It surprises me to hear tone junkies be so closed minded as to actually believe that price is related to performance. That's the Ferrari guy getting smoked by an SRT10 and then saying, Italian cars are made better.

 

[VESmedic]

This thread might as well be about Ferrari vs. Dodge. The price of anything is tied to its supply/demand: Demand being the operative word. Anyone who denies that endorsements trick people into buying amps or overpaying for amps should reconsider. Prime example: Dumble. At the end of the day, the pedigree of Peavey speaks for itself. Lots of legit people use their amps with amazing results. I also have and love boutique amps from Custom Audio, Framus, but I would NEVER in a million years say they smoke my 5150, if anything they offer a unique tone or a cool format, like my Soldano SP77; rack mount, sick but different tone. After many years and trials, the 5150 is my go-to high gain rhythm tone and lives in the rack. Indestructible and ballsiest high gain sound for my taste. It surprises me to hear tone junkies be so closed minded as to actually believe that price is related to performance. That's the Ferrari guy getting smoked by an SRT10 and then saying, Italian cars are made better.

This guy hit it on the head.