fluff191
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Just recorded this tune using the Kemper. Judge for yourself. Some of my favorite tones I have ever gotten. I cant see ever getting rid of this thing.
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Heritage Softail
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Sounds great man. I like the song, aside of the gear nerd stuff. That bridge looks quite cool. Especially if you do not want to get accidental bends.
Funny thing about the Kemper argument is that we all have heard people with good gear sound not so good. The K does sound good and once you they the profiles set, it seems easier to jump between them instead of amp tweaking.
Glad to see you have a few things going on in the biz. Congrats.
Funny thing about the Kemper argument is that we all have heard people with good gear sound not so good. The K does sound good and once you they the profiles set, it seems easier to jump between them instead of amp tweaking.
Glad to see you have a few things going on in the biz. Congrats.
racerevlon
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I wonder if at some point modeling will fall into litigation as it COULD be argued that an amp's tonal signature is the result of the amp's design and construction, therefore subject to intellectual property rights.
I can bet Kemper owners will be pissed off if they have to pay licensing rights for every amp model they have stored, a la Napster. You have to own the original or pay the royalties.
That said, computers and transistors have been trying to emulate tube tone for the last twenty or so years. It's only in recent years have we seen the quantum leap. As computing power increases the gap will narrow. However, if modeling amps become so pervasive that it starts to negatively affect the Tube amp manufacturers to the point they stop making tube amps, what will be left to model?
I can bet Kemper owners will be pissed off if they have to pay licensing rights for every amp model they have stored, a la Napster. You have to own the original or pay the royalties.
That said, computers and transistors have been trying to emulate tube tone for the last twenty or so years. It's only in recent years have we seen the quantum leap. As computing power increases the gap will narrow. However, if modeling amps become so pervasive that it starts to negatively affect the Tube amp manufacturers to the point they stop making tube amps, what will be left to model?
hoss33
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I'd like that!Piero the Guitarero":quj8ntd6 said:...as soon as the 19" KPA arrives!
Even better: A slimmed down version without the profiling feature as there are so many outstanding profiles available already. And who will need the "Performance Mode" anyhow?
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gtr31
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hoss33":3lichqg1 said:I'd like that!Piero the Guitarero":3lichqg1 said:...as soon as the 19" KPA arrives!
Even better: A slimmed down version without the profiling feature as there are so many outstanding profiles available already. And who will need the "Performance Mode" anyhow?
Agreed some of those profiles are amazing even a box that held 50 or 100 profiles .basic fx mod verb delay. would be pretty cool.
50 profiles is probably more than anyone would use .
The Amp factory sells them about $6 an amp
fluff191
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racerevlon":z8s4tjg9 said:
Ya know this was actually my first thought upon initially hearing the Kemper. Its damn near the same thing as copying a song (as you stated).
Very interesting subject there.
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gtr31
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fluff191":1a7do64j said:
I think its a difficult one .because Modelling could be argued too .if cliff or Line6 Buy the amp in question .take it apart and redo individual components in digital .is that not a similar infringement?
Kemper is still using their own patented process to drive an end result just a different approach to modelling, that has been tolerated for the past 15 years.
To me the Kemper is a modeller .call it a profiler if you want sure but, what it is doing is creating a copy of an original and allowing the user to manipulate it .
fluff191
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I think the only way amp companies will care is if modeling gets to be so good people cant tell the difference from one of the other. When the Kemper was first unveiled I asked someone high up at Line 6 if they were worried and all they said was "Nah, it doesnt sound that great. Its just a flavor of the month".
Which tells me the general attitude of the industry as a whole is a passive one. So far.
Which tells me the general attitude of the industry as a whole is a passive one. So far.
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gtr31
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fluff191":1dq0mi4r said:
I agree with you .I would say some of the builders are "helpful".
There Have been threads that Cliff has spoken with Dave F directly on values etc..
Bogner is working alongside Line 6 ..
I really like Bogners attitude ,he is a smart man .He realizes that he would rather shape and be swimming with the tide than be swimming into it .
What will change the thinking in addition to versatility ,compact solutions is the new generation .
The younger players that are computer savvy and want it all.
Will tube amps reign supreme in 30 years
or will they be like a 57 Buick in a car show...
Piero the Guitarero
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gtr31":1j3m4amr said:
Accorcing to (John) Suhr, he has no problem with this
http://www.hugeracksinc.com/forum/viewt ... 26#p500326
...strange that he has a problem with "real" clones
Juggernaut
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When they release this, I'll be all over it, use the rack mount in a live/rehearsal format with only my favorite profiles, and keep my lunchbox in the studio loaded with everything I can find
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robertkoa
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geetar_geek79":2acf8ol4 said:Has anybody kemper'ed a Kemper? Will it be like googling Google?
all joking aside, the idea of being able to profile my amps and other friend's amp is really appealing to me right now. I just need to play one to see how it feels/responds. I've never been able to gel with digital stuff for live use except for the GSP1101.
If you Kemper another Kemper it's OK,
But if you Kemper the SAME Kemper it
goes into replication feedback
and creates a Black Hole .
daver101
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stratotone":wzgmtttb said:ibenhad":wzgmtttb said:
Here's a clip I did with my Kemper - all the guitars are me. You decide.
https://soundcloud.com/okstrat/kemper-crazy-train
Jeez, Pete, that was NICE!!!!
thiswaythatway
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fluff191":3ejaus72 said:
Is that the Kemper at 4:30? At that point where there's no backing, no other tracks to fancy it up, then it does sound to me, like a boosted Recto. But it does sound like an amp. It sure as hell smokes the Axe-fx IMHO at getting real amp tones. I'd still rather use an amp and pedals though.
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pstar
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had both for a couple hours to do some tracks, unfortunately did not have the time to explorer the units properly. Just did the presets that were on them. Not sure if they were factory or edited user created presets. But what I did play/hear was cool from both units, they were on studio monitors thru the ssl board, and anything is going to sound great going through this setup. They were both good in the studio for the short period of time I had with them. More toys to make the noise !
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I'm pretty sure that if I owned an Axe-FX or a Kemper or any type of thing that does what they do..I'd have 3-4 tones dialed in that will sound just like the 3-4 tones I've used and coaxed out of nearly every amp I've ever owned over the last 20 years. I can get those same tones with about $1200.00 worth of gear...cab included..
hoss33
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+1kurtsstuff":3umxnpg5 said:I'm pretty sure that if I owned an Axe-FX or a Kemper or any type of thing that does what they do..I'd have 3-4 tones dialed in that will sound just like the 3-4 tones I've used and coaxed out of nearly every amp I've ever owned over the last 20 years. I can get those same tones with about $1200.00 worth of gear...cab included..
That's why I sold all my hardware modellers a year ago.
S-Gear gets me all the tones I need in the home studio at a price you can't believe.
Over the last 10 years I had various Line 6 products, an 11R, Axe FX Std. and Ultra and a Kemper.
the rossness
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I hear all of this kemper talk and I just don't get. I haven't played one but I lisrten to youtube demos where amps are profiled and I hear an audible difference as well as a boost in bass when an amp is profiled. For me, having not played one its just hype.
I'm perfectly happy with my MTS rig. With the exception of not being able to use a handful of poweramp tones (Diezel, Trainwreck) its everything I could want in a modeler. Although, I like the Idea of paying $5 for a module, as in what a kemper profile cost, instead of between $300-$450 for one.
I'm perfectly happy with my MTS rig. With the exception of not being able to use a handful of poweramp tones (Diezel, Trainwreck) its everything I could want in a modeler. Although, I like the Idea of paying $5 for a module, as in what a kemper profile cost, instead of between $300-$450 for one.
VC4Ever
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After listening to clips on the interwebs of the Kemper it sounds "good" because of the volume level for computers. When people post clips of Tube amps on Youtube that don't know how to record audio properly that's why it sounds like crap. The signal is too loud and the recorder creates it's own distortion not from the original signal. To me all these Kemper clips sound ok but they also sound pretty "cold"
If people are steering towards the Kemper who's to stop them. People think MP3 audio sounds good as well and look how big it is now. I think it's the old debate of analog versus digital and too me digital will never satisfy. The real world is analog (as I type this on my digital computer) whoops.
If people are steering towards the Kemper who's to stop them. People think MP3 audio sounds good as well and look how big it is now. I think it's the old debate of analog versus digital and too me digital will never satisfy. The real world is analog (as I type this on my digital computer) whoops.
hellaboogie
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it will simmer down but, not go away
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