Poison sound

[LP Freak]

Regarding the point about rock shows attracting chicks in the 80s, well those days are looooong over, and never coming back. EVER! Rock music is so uncool now, and I think especially 80s rock is the subject of utter scorn and humiliation with the younger generation now. They absolutely hate it. It did not stand the test of time. I say this as a fan of 80s rock. The kids today only like rap and various forms of nihilistic, reality-show-sounding pop music. You can’t even twist their arms to get them to listen to rock. I’m only 29, and I can see that my generation, and the one below me completely and utterly reject rock music in basically all its forms. I know that I’m a pretty good player, and guitar has not helped me one iota with the ladies. That just shows how utterly uncool rock music is today. Girls think it’s so lame. They look at guitar playing like girls in the 80s would look at computer nerd burnouts. That’s how rock music and guitar is viewed today.

Kids......

 

[stratjacket]

Regarding the point about rock shows attracting chicks in the 80s, well those days are looooong over, and never coming back. EVER! Rock music is so uncool now, and I think especially 80s rock is the subject of utter scorn and humiliation with the younger generation now. They absolutely hate it. It did not stand the test of time. I say this as a fan of 80s rock. The kids today only like rap and various forms of nihilistic, reality-show-sounding pop music. You can’t even twist their arms to get them to listen to rock. I’m only 29, and I can see that my generation, and the one below me completely and utterly reject rock music in basically all its forms. I know that I’m a pretty good player, and guitar has not helped me one iota with the ladies. That just shows how utterly uncool rock music is today. Girls think it’s so lame. They look at guitar playing like girls in the 80s would look at computer nerd burnouts. That’s how rock music and guitar is viewed today.

I see your point, but rock (not to be confused with pop that has a guitar in it) has always been the outcast. I think it just depends on your circle.

 

[Kapo_Polenton]

I'm an 80's kid (43 now) but I wouldn't say that rock is completely dead.. instead however, it got replaced more by Indy bands and "softer" guitar bands with simple chord progressions that are catchy. For the rest though you are right, it is a whole mash up of pop, rap, RnB, electronica. Kids might throw the devil horns now and again and think they are cool when a Crue song comes over the PA system at a hockey game or something but for the most part I see those kids as the posers cause they don't know what's up!

 

[skullfxr]

Regarding the point about rock shows attracting chicks in the 80s, well those days are looooong over, and never coming back. EVER! Rock music is so uncool now, and I think especially 80s rock is the subject of utter scorn and humiliation with the younger generation now. They absolutely hate it. It did not stand the test of time. I say this as a fan of 80s rock. The kids today only like rap and various forms of nihilistic, reality-show-sounding pop music. You can’t even twist their arms to get them to listen to rock. I’m only 29, and I can see that my generation, and the one below me completely and utterly reject rock music in basically all its forms. I know that I’m a pretty good player, and guitar has not helped me one iota with the ladies. That just shows how utterly uncool rock music is today. Girls think it’s so lame. They look at guitar playing like girls in the 80s would look at computer nerd burnouts. That’s how rock music and guitar is viewed today.

I guess we run in different circles. I am also 29. I was a metal kid in high school and college, and started playing at 12. There were always girls at my shows then, the more alternate type but there was plenty of interest. Now I play about half metal, half blues/rock and the scene has changed a bit. But when I was gigging blues a few years ago there were a lot of different people there. Including college girls and every generation. My ex wife played drums a bit and was an excellent vocalist for blues type stuff, although we never did perform together.

A lot of metal was underground in the early 2000's,and it still is. Yes things have changed a bit since then, but it's still there. Just different circles. You just gotta look and find the right places, where it be a bar, pub, or club environment. I see a lot of local blues shoes currently and have a blast. I don't go to as many metal shows, but they are there.

Seek and thou will find.

 

[crankyrayhanky]

Regarding the point about rock shows attracting chicks in the 80s, well those days are looooong over, and never coming back. EVER! Rock music is so uncool now, and I think especially 80s rock is the subject of utter scorn and humiliation with the younger generation now. They absolutely hate it. It did not stand the test of time. I say this as a fan of 80s rock. The kids today only like rap and various forms of nihilistic, reality-show-sounding pop music. You can’t even twist their arms to get them to listen to rock. I’m only 29, and I can see that my generation, and the one below me completely and utterly reject rock music in basically all its forms. I know that I’m a pretty good player, and guitar has not helped me one iota with the ladies. That just shows how utterly uncool rock music is today. Girls think it’s so lame. They look at guitar playing like girls in the 80s would look at computer nerd burnouts. That’s how rock music and guitar is viewed today.

I think this is true of some people. But I see a whole lot of other young people surprisingly well versed in Nirvana, Led Zeppelin, ACDC....the best of the best. That has transcended generations; it helps that a lot of that stuff is licensed into current video games and movies.

But yea, not a lot of Poison fans these days among the youngheads, lol. I f*ing hated them when they broke out but these days might leave it on for a moment out of nostalgia and remembering the good old days when I hated them. In my hood, the rougher rocker SLAYER! kids would pummel you if you started wearing or listening to Poison material, as they should.

Cool story about them coming out to the floor to support the young opening act. That is classy and eases my hatred a notch.

 

[Rock Bodom]

Sometimes I think only in guitar forum land is history so badly rewritten on 80's hard rock, and completely out of touch with its lasting legacy to this day.

Do you see the size of the venues Poison is playing this summer in support of Crue and Def Leppard? Pretty much the size when they were supporting bands like that in the 80's. You may not like Poison. You may never have liked Poison.

But tens of thousands of people are going to each of those shows. These bands sold millions of records back in the day, huge exposure on MTV...hard rock was totally in the mainstream, a whole generation grew up knowing lots of these bands.

In fact, was just checking the numbers...as of yesterday I think over 1 millions tickets for $130 million dollars have already been sold for that tour.

Wait...did "The Dirt" give the tour a bump? Well then...maybe some young people ARE interested in that era after all! Still not sure why that even matters though, fans are fans, regardless of age.

I'm in that huge crowd that still loves this stuff, I have never felt "embarrassed" or whatever like I was in some small uncool group, very much the opposite. Though I'd like to think many of us have a good sense of humor about some of the over-the-top parts of the era, and can laugh at ourselves in fun but still have nothing but a good time (yeah, sorry, couldn't resist).

 

[skullfxr]

I dig crue and gnr, and a lot of the hair bands, BUT I can't deal with poison. My personal opinion. I have a lot of 80's music in my collection from digital to vinyl. More 90's and 2000's as that is what was going on when I was growing up, but I don't hate on 80's hair bands. Except poison. Lol. I grew up around more Pantera and slayer and Metallica and 90's alt rock through TBH.

 

[311boogieman]

I am (and was then) a much bigger fan of Motley Crue and Ratt and Van Halen than Poison but Poison had some good songs and the girls went absolutely nuts.

Compare that to what it is like now and it is just mind numbing. For those of you that don't like Poison (not talking to you Derek) or don't like 80's hair metal - you have to admit it was a kick ass time. Most everyone at the time liked this guitar driven music. It was all very good for rock and metal in general. I never expected it to end.

That said, it was getting a bit over the top. Again, by the time Poison came around in a big way I think it was 1986-1987, and I saw Poison as a group of guys who really wanted to stand out and in order to stand out you had to do something extreme.

PS: My son loves Ratt

 

[Rock Bodom]

I am (and was then) a much bigger fan of Motley Crue and Ratt and Van Halen than Poison but Poison had some good songs and the girls went absolutely nuts.

Compare that to what it is like now and it is just mind numbing. For those of you that don't like Poison (not talking to you Derek) or don't like 80's hair metal - you have to admit it was a kick ass time. Most everyone at the time liked this guitar driven music. It was all very good for rock and metal in general. I never expected it to end.

That said, it was getting a bit over the top. Again, by the time Poison came around in a big way I think it was 1986-1987, and I saw Poison as a group of guys who really wanted to stand out and in order to stand out you had to do something extreme.

PS: My son loves Ratt

Your son has excellent taste, sir!

I agree with everything you said. The early to mid 80's bands were more the heavyweights, I was a much bigger fan of Crue, VH, and Ratt as well, along with both Randy and Jake era Ozzy and Dokken. Good stuff to be found in the late 80's as well, but a lot of groups were getting very slick/pop and derivative.

 

[311boogieman]

Now that I'm older I can see why the hair metal stuff had to end. You just can't sustain that forever. It looses it's luster after awhile. Again, I loved the whole Poison, Cinderella, Warrant, Winger, thing but by the late 80's enough is enough already. The writing was on the wall....we just didn't know yet.

I love 90's alt and grunge 'almost' as much with big props to RHCP, STP, Soundgarden, Audioslave, Candlebox, Bush, Creed, etc. After that, I was off into 311, Limp Bizkit, Korn, Kid Rock etc so the album collection kept growing.

With all of this it was the GUITAR that drew me in. Not the looks or the singer or how many #1 hits they had.

Lastly, on Crue specifically:

I give Nikki Sixx major props for largely popularizing the whole genre. I mean, he wrote most of their songs and was the creative drive behind their image. They evolved and were always slightly ahead of their peers. They went from a garage punk KISS thing, to full on SMBD leather thing, to the glam look, then to jean jackets and cowboy boots, then to a more modern look. Point being, they didn't have the same shtick all the time as everyone else seemed to be doing. Not to mention Mick Mars' guitar tone.

Long live hair metal

 

[311boogieman]

Bit of a long shot - but can anyone advise how to get the sound created by Poison for the song ' Look What The Cat Dragged In ' from the same titled album.
Just heard it recently and it has such a thick crunching sound that I would like to recreate.
Thanks.

Hey man, did you get your question answered

To really be of assistance, we would need to know a bit more information. I mean, what gear are you running with currently? Where do you live roughly? What is your budget? Are you open to used gear? All that factors in. Good luck.

PS: The Crate Shockwave I played at GC years back actually kind of impressed me. I hear good thing about the Crate Blue Voodoo too. But CC DeVille's tone shouldn't be all that hard to cop. A used Marshall DSL would def do the trick. Conversely, I got my Mesa Rectoverb for under $500 and ditto. I think the harder part is recreating the studio tricks with the chorus, delay, doubling, etc.

 

[Devin]

Did I imagine this, or does it say somewhere in the Flesh N Blood liner notes that CC used a "Crate Chainsaw Massacre" amp or something like that? I swear I remember reading that when I was young and wondering wtf that amp is because I've never heard of it.

I think I still have the cd somewhere - might have to try to dig it up and look to see if I just invented that amp in my head or what

 

[Detroit1973]

I know that at one time i saw a pic from a Poison Tour & CC Had 3 or 4 of the GX130C

 

[toddmogle]

Did I imagine this, or does it say somewhere in the Flesh N Blood liner notes that CC used a "Crate Chainsaw Massacre" amp or something like that? I swear I remember reading that when I was young and wondering wtf that amp is because I've never heard of it.

I think I still have the cd somewhere - might have to try to dig it up and look to see if I just invented that amp in my head or what

it sure does say that!!!

 

[Devin]

Did I imagine this, or does it say somewhere in the Flesh N Blood liner notes that CC used a "Crate Chainsaw Massacre" amp or something like that? I swear I remember reading that when I was young and wondering wtf that amp is because I've never heard of it.

I think I still have the cd somewhere - might have to try to dig it up and look to see if I just invented that amp in my head or what

it sure does say that!!!

I thought so!!

I've never been able to find any information whatsoever on this amp; not even a picture. Wonder if it was a custom amp Crate made for him?

 

[MrDowntown]

Did I imagine this, or does it say somewhere in the Flesh N Blood liner notes that CC used a "Crate Chainsaw Massacre" amp or something like that? I swear I remember reading that when I was young and wondering wtf that amp is because I've never heard of it.

I think I still have the cd somewhere - might have to try to dig it up and look to see if I just invented that amp in my head or what

it sure does say that!!!

I thought so!!

I've never been able to find any information whatsoever on this amp; not even a picture. Wonder if it was a custom amp Crate made for him?

this made me curious.. so with some google-ninja moves... i found a couple internet references to the Chainsaw Massacre by Crate, but like you, I can't find much else on it. I did see where someone, years ago, made a comparison to that amp specifically and a stereo chorus amp with an overdrive that sounded like the "massacre". then i found an old Crate Performers mag cover (with CC) that mentioned the Crate G60GT for studio, and "Crate stacks" live which may have been Crates g-1500.

 

[aftec]

And those “women” got more pussy than all of us put together

Same goes even for Mick Mars's roadcase DD

 

[skullfxr]

And those “women” got more pussy than all of us put together

Same goes even for Mick Mars's roadcase DD

No kidding. Lol.

 

[toddmogle]

Did I imagine this, or does it say somewhere in the Flesh N Blood liner notes that CC used a "Crate Chainsaw Massacre" amp or something like that? I swear I remember reading that when I was young and wondering wtf that amp is because I've never heard of it.

I think I still have the cd somewhere - might have to try to dig it up and look to see if I just invented that amp in my head or what

it sure does say that!!!

I thought so!!

I've never been able to find any information whatsoever on this amp; not even a picture. Wonder if it was a custom amp Crate made for him?

A Crate G60! all it is.