Pro/Con me on the AxeFx 2 XL

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Interested...not for gigging, but for recording, tweaking and generally making an ass of myself with. The FX and especially the delays are KILLING me to listen to....really kind of jonesing after this thing. I've been using sims/modelers for the last year or so....got a good SS amp and a decent tube amp here, just wanting some different flavors.

What do you like, what do you hate? If you had it and sold it, why? If you have it and will never sell it, how come?

Thanks, RT nutballs.
 
I don't have an XL, but I've owned Axe Fx 2. Twice. I don't have one anymore.

It sounds great, it's pretty easy to use really, and it has endless tweakability. It does not feel the same as playing an amp and being in the same room as the amp. Fantastic for recording and/or quiet practice. The effects are crazy good.

I have a room in my house where I can play amps at reasonable volumes any time. I don't need a quiet solution. If I did, I would keep an Axe Fx. Since I don't need a quiet solution, and don't record much at all.. for me I just like amps better. I don't use a ton of effects so a great amp with a simple pedal board is enough for me.
 
James_E":3v03gxim said:
I don't have an XL, but I've owned Axe Fx 2. Twice. I don't have one anymore.

It sounds great, it's pretty easy to use really, and it has endless tweakability. It does not feel the same as playing an amp and being in the same room as the amp. Fantastic for recording and/or quiet practice. The effects are crazy good.

I have a room in my house where I can play amps at reasonable volumes any time. I don't need a quiet solution. If I did, I would keep an Axe Fx. Since I don't need a quiet solution, and don't record much at all.. for me I just like amps better. I don't use a ton of effects so a great amp with a simple pedal board is enough for me.

So nothing you hated, just didn't need what it offered, huh? Good deal...glad that even though you had it and sold it twice, you'd still recommend it. Thanks man. :thumbsup:
 
Like James, I had the AFXII but not the XL version. The Plexi sim was pretty damn good, but otherwise I didn't think the others that I actually used (JCM 800, Recto, SLO) sounded any better than the cheap PODxt that I have laying around. So away it went. Maybe I just have tin ears. I don't use a ton of effects.
 
cardinal":2f2nxo3k said:
The Plexi sim was pretty damn good, but otherwise I didn't think the others that I actually used (JCM 800, Recto, SLO) sounded any better than the cheap PODxt that I have laying around.
:no: :doh: :confused: :lol: :LOL:
 
Just Ractal Ultra experience. Never liked the sound, the feel and the guys behind it.
For practice and recording there are better, cheaper and tweak free-er alternatives.

I only use it for effects and MIDI.
 
Awesome tool with good usb interface and recording capability
All you need to buy is the cab pack 5 and 7 for good irs
Effects are top notch on par with expensive eventide units to my ears

Good tuner
Good routing for many different rigs switching capabilities
Integrated tuner
Good software support and frequent updates

Can sound good as a preamp only or FRFR
 
cardinal":19yf0oo2 said:
Like James, I had the AFXII but not the XL version. The Plexi sim was pretty damn good, but otherwise I didn't think the others that I actually used (JCM 800, Recto, SLO) sounded any better than the cheap PODxt that I have laying around. So away it went. Maybe I just have tin ears. I don't use a ton of effects.


You don't have tin ears.
 
DADA":2djzhynf said:
Just Ractal Ultra experience. Never liked the sound, the feel and the guys behind it.
For practice and recording there are better, cheaper and tweak free-er alternatives.

I only use it for effects and MIDI.

I need something quiet for late night practicing and whatnot. Anything besides the Line 6 stuff that I should be looking at? I'm not aure about BIAS.
 
I think you know my feelings :lol: :LOL:

PROS:
AMAZING unit. It is not just an amp modeler, it is a "rig-replacer". Guitar amp, guitar cab, massive effects unit, bass amp, bass cab, studio mixer console EQ, studio mixer console preamp, routing switcher, MIDI interface, USB interface, Noise reduction, DAW processing (reverb, compression, multiband compression, EQ, etc....), etc... Guys who only look at this thing as a preamp, or a reverb box or whatever is missing the point.

Great build quality. Smart design, such as a modular power supply that is easily replaced in case it gets fried.

Top of the line parts. Brown-Burr Op-Amps, TigerShark DSPs, etc... It is basically built for the highest fidelity from beginning to end. Cliff has a no compromise attitude when it comes to design. He uses the best available, not what is good for the price. You can tell this by the clear hi-fi sound.

Constant updates. The unit WILL get better over time. It is like getting a new unit all the time. Just recently he updated all the reverb models and doubled the amount. He also added console preamps. I know people make fun it of it saying "more realer!!", but just imagine if your tube amp grew a new channel every 6 months. You would be happy as shit also!

Total flexibility. Like I mentioned before, the amp block currently has 92 different controls. There are 20 or 30 different kinds of blocks. There are over 200 amp models. If you cant find your tone, it doesn't exist. It is a great opportunity to learn how sound processing works. You can also create any kind of switching you want. With the right control pedal you can basically set it up any way you want. Nothing else has the same amount of flexibility.

HUGE community. Want tips from pros who tour the world? Want tips from studio pros who know all kinds of studio tricks? Want tips from obsessed bedroom pros who have nothing else better to do? If you take the time to read through all of the resources it is kind of like getting a college degree in sound processing. SO much information out there about using this unit for tons of things.

CONS:
Because of the flexibility it is not for "set and forget" people. With the updates you tones WILL change. Embrace the change and update them. If you are that guy who is still using Windows 98 because you expect it to do what it always did and whine about having up update to run newer programs, this unit is not for you.

The sound is definitely dependent on what you run it through. Getting that huge depth punch relies on the same physics that tube amps have to follow. You need big speakers and volume. I have not found a way around this. Running through some $5 headphones is definitely going to limit you vs. some nice $800 studio monitors. Basically the Axe-FX can replace everything except your amplification system. You have to consider this system when looking at the Axe-FX.

Obviously this is not a cheap unit. However, consider what you are getting. There is a high value dollar per feature. I understand it is tough to put so much $$ into one thing. Just know that one day it WILL be replaced by something newer. You may have to lose some money to upgrade. Are you still using your rotary phone because you are afraid buying an iPhone will lose its value? Just accept that this is a part of life.
 
danyeo":wse8kcqa said:
You don't have tin ears.


That's an Axe Fx Ultra made in 2008.......which is still light years better than any Line6 product :yes:
 
BYTOR":1kfg5q6y said:
danyeo":1kfg5q6y said:
You don't have tin ears.


That's an Axe Fx Ultra made in 2008.......which is still light years better than any Line6 product :yes:

Still though, as the Axe is superior, I often scratch my head in these videos when the Line 6 stuff comes off as just about as good. Maybe it's the fact that Ola gets just about anything he plays to sound kinda similar.
 
I had the original II, not the XL. If you're using it exclusively for recording at home, there's nothing better. I sold it because I couldn't get along with it for stage/practice use, and the tweakability is overwhelming for a dumbass like me.
 
danyeo":5l8onfkj said:
BYTOR":5l8onfkj said:
danyeo":5l8onfkj said:
You don't have tin ears.


That's an Axe Fx Ultra made in 2008.......which is still light years better than any Line6 product :yes:

Still though, as the Axe is superior, I often scratch my head in these videos when the Line 6 stuff comes off as just about as good. Maybe it's the fact that Ola gets just about anything he plays to sound kinda similar.
It's Ola. He made a Tiny Terror sound like his Rectos. :lol: :LOL:

I've owned all the POD HD series except the 400, and none of them come right out of the box inspiring you to play the way the Axe FX does. You can get usable tones from the PODs, but for me usable isn't good enough. It did better for heavy tones than medium gain for me.
 
cardinal":jlv4sye8 said:
Like James, I had the AFXII but not the XL version. The Plexi sim was pretty damn good, but otherwise I didn't think the others that I actually used (JCM 800, Recto, SLO) sounded any better than the cheap PODxt that I have laying around. So away it went. Maybe I just have tin ears. I don't use a ton of effects.

Man, I've used the POD HD extensively and really liked it for cleans and delays etc...but the high gain stuff just seemed to be lacking to my ears. They can't seem to get the top end right. :doh:

DADA":jlv4sye8 said:
Just Ractal Ultra experience. Never liked the sound, the feel and the guys behind it.
For practice and recording there are better, cheaper and tweak free-er alternatives.

I only use it for effects and MIDI.

So butt raping + lame sound + lacking feel + shady characters behind it = you still use it?! :confused:

wizardy":jlv4sye8 said:
Awesome tool with good usb interface and recording capability
All you need to buy is the cab pack 5 and 7 for good irs
Effects are top notch on par with expensive eventide units to my ears

Good tuner
Good routing for many different rigs switching capabilities
Integrated tuner
Good software support and frequent updates


Can sound good as a preamp only or FRFR

Bolded parts kicks ass as it's a big part of what I'm looking for.

danyeo":jlv4sye8 said:
You don't have tin ears.

I get that Ola dials a lot of his stuff the same; have watched his vids for years. Even so, in this vid the first example stand out to me that the Axe sounds better...the L6 has that super raspy fizz going on there and the Axe sounds deeper; more going on in the lower end and not so one dimensional as the L6. Interested in how much better the XL can sound than the Ultra with as many more updates as they've done since.

danyeo":jlv4sye8 said:
I need something quiet for late night practicing and whatnot. Anything besides the Line 6 stuff that I should be looking at? I'm not aure about BIAS.

JamUp for the iPad is an awesome practice tool for headphones. Couple quick clips:

https://soundcloud.com/steinmetzify/gabsludge

https://soundcloud.com/steinmetzify/loomis-riff

Shask":jlv4sye8 said:
I think you know my feelings :lol: :LOL:

PROS:
AMAZING unit. It is not just an amp modeler, it is a "rig-replacer". Guitar amp, guitar cab, massive effects unit, bass amp, bass cab, studio mixer console EQ, studio mixer console preamp, routing switcher, MIDI interface, USB interface, Noise reduction, DAW processing (reverb, compression, multiband compression, EQ, etc....), etc... Guys who only look at this thing as a preamp, or a reverb box or whatever is missing the point.

CONS:
Because of the flexibility it is not for "set and forget" people. With the updates you tones WILL change. Embrace the change and update them. If you are that guy who is still using Windows 98 because you expect it to do what it always did and whine about having up update to run newer programs, this unit is not for you.

Cut for space:

All of the pros sound like stuff I can get down with. The updates and my patches changing would be something I'd have to force myself to get used to...I AM a set and forget kinda guy for the most part. I could change this about myself I guess, and if the result is massively good tone because of it I can't really see bitching. All good points and nice to have in one spot to review outside of our ongoing conversation, dude. Thanks!

Spaceboy":jlv4sye8 said:
I had the original II, not the XL. If you're using it exclusively for recording at home, there's nothing better. I sold it because I couldn't get along with it for stage/practice use, and the tweakability is overwhelming for a dumbass like me.

Nice man....that's pretty much what it would be for is home recording. Tweaking, looking for newer sounds and the clean/delays/effected stuff. All the vids/clips I've seen of the FX are fucking amazing, just on a completely different level from anything else I've tried. I'm a complete delay junkie; it's my favorite effect besides a good boost and if I could only have one effect it'd be delay....this vid blew me away with all of the parameters you can adjust, and they're so far past this now it's ridiculous:

 
BYTOR":23ah6z4q said:
That's an Axe Fx Ultra made in 2008.......which is still light years better than any Line6 product :yes:

+1. The only thing Ola's videos have ever proven to me is that Ola has godlike production/demoing/playing skills. I have heard him make practice amps sound better than most people's boutique tube amp clips/vids. Every comparison vid he has ever done, I always think everything comes out sounding pretty kick a**.

FWIW, played traditional rigs for about twenty years. Have switched to the AFXII... It is great because it covers all bases with authority when configured correctly. Modellers are not for everybody some people do not want to deal with a paradigm shift (you will probably have to rebuild your entire rig and will have to write presets rather than dial amps) or they have situations/tools that do what they want and simply are not going to get enough value out of a switch; some folks straight up cannot get over the psychological bias against non-traditional gear.

There is nothing wrong with any of that. But seriously this technology has arrived, IMHO. It sounds to me, for your scenario, it'd be a dream rig. Modded Marshall tones are my thing and this is the best amp/rack/unit I have ever played or owned. I have no GAS for amplification anymore.
 
Nice man...interesting viewpoint from a guy that played tube amps for 20 years. You don't often see that and it speaks to the versatility of the tech.

Also, hail to the 428th Emperor. Cool username/avatar. Haven't read those in a while, gonna have to go back to them.
 
Elric":x96mpy23 said:
+1. The only thing Ola's videos have ever proven to me is that Ola has godlike production/demoing/playing skills. I have heard him make practice amps sound better than most people's boutique tube amp clips/vids. Every comparison vid he has ever done, I always think everything comes out sounding pretty kick a**.
He is a legend.
 

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