Problem With Purchase From Member

[crankyrayhanky]

All the suspicions of the buyer are reasonable...except he paid with Gift!? What thief pays via gift? That doesn't make any sense.

 

[mooncobra]

I think the guy saying, "oh, I will keep the case and take 50 bucks off the refund," is pretty crazy.

 

[just42dave]

paypal gift seems trashy til you get hit by irs and paypal so I use gift exclusively

 

[Bob Savage]

paypal gift seems trashy til you get hit by irs and paypal so I use gift exclusively

What?

 

[zewango]

paypal gift seems trashy til you get hit by irs and paypal so I use gift exclusively

What?

He said

paypal gift seems trashy til you get hit by irs and paypal so I use gift exclusively

 

[Bob Savage]

paypal gift seems trashy til you get hit by irs and paypal so I use gift exclusively

What?

He said

paypal gift seems trashy til you get hit by irs and paypal so I use gift exclusively

What?

 

[Moshaholic]

Any updates? Is the neck being repaired, replaced, used as kindling? I'd be interested in buying the neck.

When I spoke to the Joe ( the guy who was changing the strings and dropping the tuning on it for Shane) He did in fact state over the phone when we spoke the neck was fixable , just not by him.

He stated he was just doing a free favor for this guy and didn't want to try and get involved with anymore "work wise" beyond changing strings, lowering the tuning and adjusting the floyd. He said he last worked professionally on guitars back in 1998 (16 years ago). He stated that does not want be responsible for getting into the neck removal and tweaking, etc especially when he is doing a free favor for someone.

From my experience if you drop the tuning on a guitar (keeping the same gauge strings or go keep the same tuning and go with thicker strings you should be prepared to take the neck off and tweak it. It is not always needed but I have had to do it from time to time when changing strings and it is no biggie and IMO every guitarist should be able to do a simple neck adjustment and intonation, etc. that results from string and tuning changes. I got a sick new Jackson Arian Smith a few weeks ago and went from the 9's that were on it to 9.5's and it still pays really well, but I can tell a slight turn of the screw to take out a slight non-pube of relief would be sweet, but it's not so bad at all really and I can live with it for a little while. Best to let the guitar settle in and acclimate for a while and just enjoy it before jumping in and a the neck off in my opinion. Some times a little time will cause things to just jell coagulate on their own

Anyways, if everything I am being told is "legit" then the neck possibly under bowed a bit from all the temperature and humidity changes, after being left over the weekend in a fedex dept and have the tuning dropped. (In all fairness this is nobody's fault) All in all this is no big deal and I lived in South Florida for 13+ years and bought a gank of guitars from DCGL and I was always, I mean always, told by Jason when I bought a guitar that the necks are straight when they leave after his tech checks them, but going from Coloraldo to a place like Florida can have a huge after effect during shipping and that I should let the guitar chill for a while and acclimate prior to unpacking. He would also say you might need to adjust the neck again because of the climate change. This is just common behavior and should be common knowledge to anyone that buys a guitars as again, its a piece of wood, no two are a like.

I live in the Nashville area and the guitar was in my fully AC'd, low humidity home with solid environmental controls before shipping to the South Texas area. This climate change alone like you said earlier can have an impact on necks in a heartbeat. Some guitars worse than others, some guitars not at all... It's wood and no two pieces of wood are alike. When I got the guitars from Pedro they did not sit in a Fedex warehouse over the weekend and i got them right away. I always feel the cartons of any guitar I get and if they feel warm from being in the truck all day i wait a few hours after bringing them in before opening. Like you said unfinished maple necks can be very sensitive.

A person that I am currently speaking to (that I know very well for mega years) says fixing that neck is not that complicated at all. He says he would remove it, loosen the TR and let it sit for a day or so and then examine it and maybe give it a twist (if it was even needed) and re-tighten the truss rod and put it back on the guitar restring it and adjust everything (action, etc.). The neck might need to come off one more time for a minor tweek he said after that you should be gold. Stubborn necks can be put in a neck clamp over night he said. This a maple usa charvel neck and unless it was totally screwed from the factory day one. It is fixable if it just tweeked from humidity/temp changes and nothing else was done to it.

I know that I can tweek my Charvel neck in about 15 min from start to finish in my sleep if I have to remove it to take out a twinge of the relief or add a little back. Put a small piece blue painters tape on the back of the neck plate to hold it in place while the neck is off and it goes really fast.

Crap my brother in law took the strings of his FENDER bass when we were in a band back in 1998 and left the unstring bass in his dank basement in the summer time for a few days and forgot about it... The neck back bowed into the most massive Chiquita banana that you have ever seen... that shit was BRUTAL... To make matters worse he was borrowing the bass from his older brother too.

You could have made a rocking chair our of the neck. Guess who had to pay for the neck repair because my brother in law was broke and we needed to practice and pay a gig... ME. My tech at the time up in Montreal took the neck off did his thing and the that bass was perfect.

Like at the end of the day it is all about skill and experience and nothing less. This guitar needs to go to a reputable, qualified tech and it will be like magic.

Waiting for this guy to get back from vacation to discuss and bring this all final.

 

[TrueTone500]

Any updates? Is the neck being repaired, replaced, used as kindling? I'd be interested in buying the neck.

When I spoke to the Joe ( the guy who was changing the strings and dropping the tuning on it for Shane) He did in fact state over the phone when we spoke the neck was fixable , just not by him.

He stated he was just doing a free favor for this guy and didn't want to try and get involved with anymore "work wise" beyond changing strings, lowering the tuning and adjusting the floyd. He said he last worked professionally on guitars back in 1998 (16 years ago). He stated that does not want be responsible for getting into the neck removal and tweaking, etc especially when he is doing a free favor for someone.

Like at the end of the day it is all about skill and experience and nothing less. This guitar needs to go to a reputable, qualified tech and it will be like magic.

Waiting for this guy to get back from vacation to discuss and bring this all final.

Doug and Billy at Guitar Factory in Orlando inspected a '79/80 BC Bich 6 that had a side bow and a twist at the headstock. It was an eBay purchase, so I had to get an inspection for insurance coverage. Doug simply said; "Sorry brother... That's wall art!"

 

[Joe-TX]

Any updates? Is the neck being repaired, replaced, used as kindling? I'd be interested in buying the neck.

When I spoke to the Joe ( the guy who was changing the strings and dropping the tuning on it for Shane) He did in fact state over the phone when we spoke the neck was fixable , just not by him.

He stated he was just doing a free favor for this guy and didn't want to try and get involved with anymore "work wise" beyond changing strings, lowering the tuning and adjusting the floyd. He said he last worked professionally on guitars back in 1998 (16 years ago). He stated that does not want be responsible for getting into the neck removal and tweaking, etc especially when he is doing a free favor for someone.

From my experience if you drop the tuning on a guitar (keeping the same gauge strings or go keep the same tuning and go with thicker strings you should be prepared to take the neck off and tweak it. It is not always needed but I have had to do it from time to time when changing strings and it is no biggie and IMO every guitarist should be able to do a simple neck adjustment and intonation, etc. that results from string and tuning changes. I got a sick new Jackson Arian Smith a few weeks ago and went from the 9's that were on it to 9.5's and it still pays really well, but I can tell a slight turn of the screw to take out a slight non-pube of relief would be sweet, but it's not so bad at all really and I can live with it for a little while. Best to let the guitar settle in and acclimate for a while and just enjoy it before jumping in and a the neck off in my opinion. Some times a little time will cause things to just jell coagulate on their own

Anyways, if everything I am being told is "legit" then the neck possibly under bowed a bit from all the temperature and humidity changes, after being left over the weekend in a fedex dept and have the tuning dropped. (In all fairness this is nobody's fault) All in all this is no big deal and I lived in South Florida for 13+ years and bought a gank of guitars from DCGL and I was always, I mean always, told by Jason when I bought a guitar that the necks are straight when they leave after his tech checks them, but going from Coloraldo to a place like Florida can have a huge after effect during shipping and that I should let the guitar chill for a while and acclimate prior to unpacking. He would also say you might need to adjust the neck again because of the climate change. This is just common behavior and should be common knowledge to anyone that buys a guitars as again, its a piece of wood, no two are a like.

I live in the Nashville area and the guitar was in my fully AC'd, low humidity home with solid environmental controls before shipping to the South Texas area. This climate change alone like you said earlier can have an impact on necks in a heartbeat. Some guitars worse than others, some guitars not at all... It's wood and no two pieces of wood are alike. When I got the guitars from Pedro they did not sit in a Fedex warehouse over the weekend and i got them right away. I always feel the cartons of any guitar I get and if they feel warm from being in the truck all day i wait a few hours after bringing them in before opening. Like you said unfinished maple necks can be very sensitive.

A person that I am currently speaking to (that I know very well for mega years) says fixing that neck is not that complicated at all. He says he would remove it, loosen the TR and let it sit for a day or so and then examine it and maybe give it a twist (if it was even needed) and re-tighten the truss rod and put it back on the guitar restring it and adjust everything (action, etc.). The neck might need to come off one more time for a minor tweek he said after that you should be gold. Stubborn necks can be put in a neck clamp over night he said. This a maple usa charvel neck and unless it was totally screwed from the factory day one. It is fixable if it just tweeked from humidity/temp changes and nothing else was done to it.

I know that I can tweek my Charvel neck in about 15 min from start to finish in my sleep if I have to remove it to take out a twinge of the relief or add a little back. Put a small piece blue painters tape on the back of the neck plate to hold it in place while the neck is off and it goes really fast.

Crap my brother in law took the strings of his FENDER bass when we were in a band back in 1998 and left the unstring bass in his dank basement in the summer time for a few days and forgot about it... The neck back bowed into the most massive Chiquita banana that you have ever seen... that shit was BRUTAL... To make matters worse he was borrowing the bass from his older brother too.

You could have made a rocking chair our of the neck. Guess who had to pay for the neck repair because my brother in law was broke and we needed to practice and pay a gig... ME. My tech at the time up in Montreal took the neck off did his thing and the that bass was perfect.

Like at the end of the day it is all about skill and experience and nothing less. This guitar needs to go to a reputable, qualified tech and it will be like magic.

Waiting for this guy to get back from vacation to discuss and bring this all final.

It's not that I'm not able to pop the neck off and make a simple adjustment of the truss rod as I do this to 1 or more of my 4 Charvels about once a year when needed. The guitar in question however has a slight amount of relief on the bass side and an equal amount of relief on about half of the neck with a significant hump on about the 3rd fret on the other side. Yes, it's possible that removing the neck and attempting to fix it as mentioned above will work but it's not guaranteed and it was not my call to make. Since the guitar was just purchased it was my responsibility to inform my buddy of the issue and let him decide what he wanted to do. At this point letting a qualified tech give his opinion really is the best thing for everyone.

 

[Moshaholic]

Any updates? Is the neck being repaired, replaced, used as kindling? I'd be interested in buying the neck.

When I spoke to the Joe ( the guy who was changing the strings and dropping the tuning on it for Shane) He did in fact state over the phone when we spoke the neck was fixable , just not by him.

He stated he was just doing a free favor for this guy and didn't want to try and get involved with anymore "work wise" beyond changing strings, lowering the tuning and adjusting the floyd. He said he last worked professionally on guitars back in 1998 (16 years ago). He stated that does not want be responsible for getting into the neck removal and tweaking, etc especially when he is doing a free favor for someone.

From my experience if you drop the tuning on a guitar (keeping the same gauge strings or go keep the same tuning and go with thicker strings you should be prepared to take the neck off and tweak it. It is not always needed but I have had to do it from time to time when changing strings and it is no biggie and IMO every guitarist should be able to do a simple neck adjustment and intonation, etc. that results from string and tuning changes. I got a sick new Jackson Arian Smith a few weeks ago and went from the 9's that were on it to 9.5's and it still pays really well, but I can tell a slight turn of the screw to take out a slight non-pube of relief would be sweet, but it's not so bad at all really and I can live with it for a little while. Best to let the guitar settle in and acclimate for a while and just enjoy it before jumping in and a the neck off in my opinion. Some times a little time will cause things to just jell coagulate on their own

Anyways, if everything I am being told is "legit" then the neck possibly under bowed a bit from all the temperature and humidity changes, after being left over the weekend in a fedex dept and have the tuning dropped. (In all fairness this is nobody's fault) All in all this is no big deal and I lived in South Florida for 13+ years and bought a gank of guitars from DCGL and I was always, I mean always, told by Jason when I bought a guitar that the necks are straight when they leave after his tech checks them, but going from Coloraldo to a place like Florida can have a huge after effect during shipping and that I should let the guitar chill for a while and acclimate prior to unpacking. He would also say you might need to adjust the neck again because of the climate change. This is just common behavior and should be common knowledge to anyone that buys a guitars as again, its a piece of wood, no two are a like.

I live in the Nashville area and the guitar was in my fully AC'd, low humidity home with solid environmental controls before shipping to the South Texas area. This climate change alone like you said earlier can have an impact on necks in a heartbeat. Some guitars worse than others, some guitars not at all... It's wood and no two pieces of wood are alike. When I got the guitars from Pedro they did not sit in a Fedex warehouse over the weekend and i got them right away. I always feel the cartons of any guitar I get and if they feel warm from being in the truck all day i wait a few hours after bringing them in before opening. Like you said unfinished maple necks can be very sensitive.

A person that I am currently speaking to (that I know very well for mega years) says fixing that neck is not that complicated at all. He says he would remove it, loosen the TR and let it sit for a day or so and then examine it and maybe give it a twist (if it was even needed) and re-tighten the truss rod and put it back on the guitar restring it and adjust everything (action, etc.). The neck might need to come off one more time for a minor tweek he said after that you should be gold. Stubborn necks can be put in a neck clamp over night he said. This a maple usa charvel neck and unless it was totally screwed from the factory day one. It is fixable if it just tweeked from humidity/temp changes and nothing else was done to it.

I know that I can tweek my Charvel neck in about 15 min from start to finish in my sleep if I have to remove it to take out a twinge of the relief or add a little back. Put a small piece blue painters tape on the back of the neck plate to hold it in place while the neck is off and it goes really fast.

Crap my brother in law took the strings of his FENDER bass when we were in a band back in 1998 and left the unstring bass in his dank basement in the summer time for a few days and forgot about it... The neck back bowed into the most massive Chiquita banana that you have ever seen... that shit was BRUTAL... To make matters worse he was borrowing the bass from his older brother too.

You could have made a rocking chair our of the neck. Guess who had to pay for the neck repair because my brother in law was broke and we needed to practice and pay a gig... ME. My tech at the time up in Montreal took the neck off did his thing and the that bass was perfect.

Like at the end of the day it is all about skill and experience and nothing less. This guitar needs to go to a reputable, qualified tech and it will be like magic.

Waiting for this guy to get back from vacation to discuss and bring this all final.

It's not that I'm not able to pop the neck off and make a simple adjustment of the truss rod as I do this to 1 or more of my 4 Charvels about once a year when needed. The guitar in question however has a slight amount of relief on the bass side and an equal amount of relief on about half of the neck with a significant hump on about the 3rd fret on the other side. Yes, it's possible that removing the neck and attempting to fix it as mentioned above will work but it's not guaranteed and it was not my call to make. Since the guitar was just purchased it was my responsibility to inform my buddy of the issue and let him decide what he wanted to do. At this point letting a qualified tech give his opinion really is the best thing for everyone.

I spoke to Shane tonight and we are all cool with all that now. Thanks Joe again for taking the time to speak with me the other day.

 

[sytharnia1560]

good stuff ....

I think the learning from this is the key to communication is the "listening" part

 

[Joe-TX]

Any updates? Is the neck being repaired, replaced, used as kindling? I'd be interested in buying the neck.

When I spoke to the Joe ( the guy who was changing the strings and dropping the tuning on it for Shane) He did in fact state over the phone when we spoke the neck was fixable , just not by him.

He stated he was just doing a free favor for this guy and didn't want to try and get involved with anymore "work wise" beyond changing strings, lowering the tuning and adjusting the floyd. He said he last worked professionally on guitars back in 1998 (16 years ago). He stated that does not want be responsible for getting into the neck removal and tweaking, etc especially when he is doing a free favor for someone.

From my experience if you drop the tuning on a guitar (keeping the same gauge strings or go keep the same tuning and go with thicker strings you should be prepared to take the neck off and tweak it. It is not always needed but I have had to do it from time to time when changing strings and it is no biggie and IMO every guitarist should be able to do a simple neck adjustment and intonation, etc. that results from string and tuning changes. I got a sick new Jackson Arian Smith a few weeks ago and went from the 9's that were on it to 9.5's and it still pays really well, but I can tell a slight turn of the screw to take out a slight non-pube of relief would be sweet, but it's not so bad at all really and I can live with it for a little while. Best to let the guitar settle in and acclimate for a while and just enjoy it before jumping in and a the neck off in my opinion. Some times a little time will cause things to just jell coagulate on their own

Anyways, if everything I am being told is "legit" then the neck possibly under bowed a bit from all the temperature and humidity changes, after being left over the weekend in a fedex dept and have the tuning dropped. (In all fairness this is nobody's fault) All in all this is no big deal and I lived in South Florida for 13+ years and bought a gank of guitars from DCGL and I was always, I mean always, told by Jason when I bought a guitar that the necks are straight when they leave after his tech checks them, but going from Coloraldo to a place like Florida can have a huge after effect during shipping and that I should let the guitar chill for a while and acclimate prior to unpacking. He would also say you might need to adjust the neck again because of the climate change. This is just common behavior and should be common knowledge to anyone that buys a guitars as again, its a piece of wood, no two are a like.

I live in the Nashville area and the guitar was in my fully AC'd, low humidity home with solid environmental controls before shipping to the South Texas area. This climate change alone like you said earlier can have an impact on necks in a heartbeat. Some guitars worse than others, some guitars not at all... It's wood and no two pieces of wood are alike. When I got the guitars from Pedro they did not sit in a Fedex warehouse over the weekend and i got them right away. I always feel the cartons of any guitar I get and if they feel warm from being in the truck all day i wait a few hours after bringing them in before opening. Like you said unfinished maple necks can be very sensitive.

A person that I am currently speaking to (that I know very well for mega years) says fixing that neck is not that complicated at all. He says he would remove it, loosen the TR and let it sit for a day or so and then examine it and maybe give it a twist (if it was even needed) and re-tighten the truss rod and put it back on the guitar restring it and adjust everything (action, etc.). The neck might need to come off one more time for a minor tweek he said after that you should be gold. Stubborn necks can be put in a neck clamp over night he said. This a maple usa charvel neck and unless it was totally screwed from the factory day one. It is fixable if it just tweeked from humidity/temp changes and nothing else was done to it.

I know that I can tweek my Charvel neck in about 15 min from start to finish in my sleep if I have to remove it to take out a twinge of the relief or add a little back. Put a small piece blue painters tape on the back of the neck plate to hold it in place while the neck is off and it goes really fast.

Crap my brother in law took the strings of his FENDER bass when we were in a band back in 1998 and left the unstring bass in his dank basement in the summer time for a few days and forgot about it... The neck back bowed into the most massive Chiquita banana that you have ever seen... that shit was BRUTAL... To make matters worse he was borrowing the bass from his older brother too.

You could have made a rocking chair our of the neck. Guess who had to pay for the neck repair because my brother in law was broke and we needed to practice and pay a gig... ME. My tech at the time up in Montreal took the neck off did his thing and the that bass was perfect.

Like at the end of the day it is all about skill and experience and nothing less. This guitar needs to go to a reputable, qualified tech and it will be like magic.

Waiting for this guy to get back from vacation to discuss and bring this all final.

It's not that I'm not able to pop the neck off and make a simple adjustment of the truss rod as I do this to 1 or more of my 4 Charvels about once a year when needed. The guitar in question however has a slight amount of relief on the bass side and an equal amount of relief on about half of the neck with a significant hump on about the 3rd fret on the other side. Yes, it's possible that removing the neck and attempting to fix it as mentioned above will work but it's not guaranteed and it was not my call to make. Since the guitar was just purchased it was my responsibility to inform my buddy of the issue and let him decide what he wanted to do. At this point letting a qualified tech give his opinion really is the best thing for everyone.

I spoke to Shane tonight and we are all cool with all that now. Thanks Joe again for taking the time to speak with me the other day.

It was good talking to you, Giles.

 

[TrueTone500]

I (TheGainDeli) sold a 1981 Greco SGW-1300 last week to MLP forum member (Tonemeister) using the PayPal gift option. I'm always a bit nervous shipping out of Florida this time of year... It's been in the upper 90's all month, with over 90% humidity on average! For this reason, I like to drop-off shipments after the last daily pickup, which defaults to AM transfer the next morning to the main FedEx hub. This minimizes the chance that shipments will be sitting in the back of a hot truck waiting for next day unloading/processing.

It made it from Orlando to Boston with no issues at all. The buyer loves his new double-neck Greco!

 

[Black Sabbath]

This thread sucks. I'm outta here.

Me too.

Wanna grab a beer?

 

[thefyn]

I was reading this thread and as soon as I read "Moshaholic", the words that came out of my mouth were "no way".

I've met him (years ago) and he's so anal about his gear, most of which was pristine and he's done so many deals it will make your head swim. He is a top, TOP gear nut and his gear when I visited him it was more like a showroom than a guitar room. Giles is a top bloke. No way would he intentionally rip someone off or even buy anything crappy. He's anal.

Just going from personal experience with Moshaholic. He's someone I would not hesitate to guy gear from.

 

[thefyn]

I had the pleasure of meeting Mosh and visiting his home. I have never in my life seen someone take care of their things the way he does. His house was spotless to the point where it looked like a furniture showroom. All of his gear was in immaculate condition and all of his guitars were in cases. I don't believe for a second Mosh would consciously set out to push a screwed up guitar onto another person.

I think as stated before, Mosh has requested that the buyer to do some due diligence and bring the axe to a certified tech in order to resolve the dispute.

I hope both sides should meet in the middle on this after all the facts have been presented.

And seriously, buy a Suhr next time

Lol. I just posted the same thing. And used "showroom" in my explanation too.

 

[311boogieman]

I think the OP should be updated to "All Fixed!" and then the thread closed and locked.

 

[TrueTone500]

I think the OP should be updated to "All Fixed!" and then the thread closed and locked.

On the contrary... Threads like these are a resource. Submitting ideas to help others from making mistakes is a core asset of the RT forum.

 

[311boogieman]

On the contrary... Threads like these are a resource. Submitting ideas to help others from making mistakes is a core asset of the RT forum.

Wrong again.

 

[C1-ocaster]

Ah, all is well now.

I did enjoy reading the drama though as I swayed back and forth as to how this would end up.
It seemed that there was a communication error mostly caused by a problem that happened during shipping, which means neither party is at fault.
Seller wanted to make an honest sale and the buyer wanted to buy the guitar, but the freakin neck didn't want to make it a smooth transaction.

BTW, some of you jumped to a conclusion that the neck was swapped which was pure conjecture being offered as fact.
Tsk, tsk.
And the case thing, well the buyer wanted the case sure but he also asked the seller if that was "ok"?
He didn't say he WAS keeping the case.

Well, it's all academic now as things seem to have been settled nicely.
Thanks to all involved for the drama. Reading it all after it was all done made it very interesting. _