Question for the low wattage amp guys here about playing those things

[DanTravis62]

6505MH but it stays on the 20W setting.

Unlike my Marshall’s or Bogner, when I turn it up I die a little inside. It’s gets louder but thinner, and just doesn’t begin to open up like the big iron stuff.

I have one of those Joyo bantamps, that I let my kid play on. It's the engl copy, the firebrand or whatever.

It sounds fine at bedroom volumes through a 4x12 but all of those youtube shills like glenn fricker who say it can hang with a drummer unmiced are lying their asses off.


EDIT: I'm fucking serious, glenn and everyone is lying. All of you RTers who actually play in bands will know that a legitimate drummer in a punk or metal band is hitting 105 to 110 db snare rim shots consistently. The Joyo cant remotely keep up. All those fuckers are lying when they say it can keep up with a band.

 

[the recluse]

I had a Killer And and a Little Giant. I did the Bit Mo' mods to both and used the line out from the KA to run it into that LG. That was pretty epic sounding.

 

[psmith68]

I gig with a Bogner Atma. 1 watt at home and 18 watts when I gig. Did a gig once set to 5 watts and it was loud enough dirty but not enough headroom for the cleans.

Same here. It sounded huge for me.

 

[PatF]

jchrisf-
Mine is similar to that Micro 800 but there are a few different things. His design is cool. Probably better than mine. I have a self-split output tube. He was able to tune down the phase inverter enough for the 12A_7 output tube.

Yeah. No F_n way a 1-5W can hang with a drummer. 20W minimum and that's not enough with a hard hitter.

 

[311boogieman]

I had a Killer And and a Little Giant. I did the Bit Mo' mods to both and used the line out from the KA to run it into that LG. That was pretty epic sounding.

cool

link?

 

[PatF]

They do use the 12A_7 as the power section. They are dual triodes so one tube can be used in push pull. Should be under 300V B+ though.

 

[SQUAREHEAD]

I hate EL84’s.
Maybe I just haven’t had the ‘right’ amp, but everything I’ve ever had or tried with EL84’s, I’ve hated.
I prefer a 100W amp with a good master vol or attenuator EVEN at the lower volume levels.
Just my opinion, of course.

 

[japetus]

I hate EL84’s.
Maybe I just haven’t had the ‘right’ amp, but everything I’ve ever had or tried with EL84’s, I’ve hated.
I prefer a 100W amp with a good master vol or attenuator EVEN at the lower volume levels.
Just my opinion, of course.

The only el84 amp I had that "had it" (for metal, not talking classic tones) was the .22+...but I played Thumps JJ Jr a couple weeks ago and that amp has some real balls!

 

[SQUAREHEAD]

The only el84 amp I had that "had it" (for metal, not talking classic tones) was the .22+...but I played Thumps JJ Jr a couple weeks ago and that amp has some real balls!

Wow, very cool bro.
I guess Dave has the formula down?
How’s Chris?
He’s a good guy.

 

[glpg80]

The only el84 amp I had that "had it" (for metal, not talking classic tones) was the .22+...but I played Thumps JJ Jr a couple weeks ago and that amp has some real balls!

Those EL84 .22+ were early models and later switched to 6L6. The EL84 ones get down, they’re super heavy sounding and gainy/aggressive as fuck.

 

[DanTravis62]

Same here. It sounded huge for me.

im really curious about those smaller bogners, esp the atma. How is the headroom?

 

[japetus]

Wow, very cool bro.
I guess Dave has the formula down?
How’s Chris?
He’s a good guy.

He's good, after he won all those karate tournaments he took some time off, but he also has that Marshall 20 watt plexi..it kicks ass

 

[bikerdude2]

jchrisf-
Mine is similar to that Micro 800 but there are a few different things. His design is cool. Probably better than mine. I have a self-split output tube. He was able to tune down the phase inverter enough for the 12A_7 output tube.

Yeah. No F_n way a 1-5W can hang with a drummer. 20W minimum and that's not enough with a hard hitter.

Disagree but obviously depends on the drummer. Did it with 5 watts and kept up. But we don’t play at insane volumes either so ymmv.

 

[bikerdude2]

im really curious about those smaller bogners, esp the atma. How is the headroom?

On 5 watts the clean wasn’t loud enough and didn’t have the headroom. At 18 watts no problem at all.

 

[DanTravis62]

Disagree but obviously depends on the drummer. Did it with 5 watts and kept up. But we don’t play at insane volumes either so ymmv.

On 5 watts the clean wasn’t loud enough and didn’t have the headroom. At 18 watts no problem at all.

Yeah the type of music I play is insanely loud generally, so I was curious.

I don't think any 15-20 watt amp I've played has really kept up with a metal or punk drummer hitting 105db rim shots on the snare - if the atma really could that'd be one hell of a party trick.

 

[the recluse]

cool

link?

This was years ago and the amps are long gone. I don't think I ever recorded anything with that set up, it was mostly for filling around at home.

I don't think Bitmo is still around but someone is selling instructions for their mods on Ebay.

 

[stephen sawall]

I have done gigs with 5 watt amps. Watts are not dB's. It isn't a measurement of how loud something is.

 

[bikerdude2]

Yeah the type of music I play is insanely loud generally, so I was curious.

I don't think any 15-20 watt amp I've played has really kept up with a metal or punk drummer hitting 105db rim shots on the snare - if the atma really could that'd be one hell of a party trick.

Damn that’s a hard hitter! If I cranked my Atma I wouldn’t be asked back to the bars I play.

 

[bikerdude2]

I have one of those Joyo bantamps, that I let my kid play on. It's the engl copy, the firebrand or whatever.

It sounds fine at bedroom volumes through a 4x12 but all of those youtube shills like glenn fricker who say it can hang with a drummer unmiced are lying their asses off.


EDIT: I'm fucking serious, glenn and everyone is lying. All of you RTers who actually play in bands will know that a legitimate drummer in a punk or metal band is hitting 105 to 110 db snare rim shots consistently. The Joyo cant remotely keep up. All those fuckers are lying when they say it can keep up with a

I hate EL84’s.
Maybe I just haven’t had the ‘right’ amp, but everything I’ve ever had or tried with EL84’s, I’ve hated.
I prefer a 100W amp with a good master vol or attenuator EVEN at the lower volume levels.
Just my opinion, of course.

I like EL84’s but agree nothing sounds as good as the big bottles. Def a huge difference to my ears!

 

[311boogieman]

This was years ago and the amps are long gone. I don't think I ever recorded anything with that set up, it was mostly for filling around at home.

I don't think Bitmo is still around but someone is selling instructions for their mods on Ebay.

NP