The~Kid
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Rick and guys like Tim Pierce are great guys and I respect them but I just don't agree with them here.
Fender is a great American company and well let's be fair..... this is their design.....
Others copy it for free and make money off it..... and IMO Fender makes great guitars in general. Honestly don't know what could be or is better than their Custom Shop stuff or their top tier MIA stuff.
Was good enough for Hendrix, SRV, Buddy Guy and others like Brad Paisley.... good enough for me
Fender is a great American company and well let's be fair..... this is their design.....
Others copy it for free and make money off it..... and IMO Fender makes great guitars in general. Honestly don't know what could be or is better than their Custom Shop stuff or their top tier MIA stuff.
Was good enough for Hendrix, SRV, Buddy Guy and others like Brad Paisley.... good enough for me
Rackman
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This is akin to Ford suddenly claiming only they had rights to the 2-door, front engine, 4-wheel sedan. In 1978.
The~Kid
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No it's akin to saying they have the rights to the Model T which in a sense Fender does have with the Tele/Strat by name without a doubt
Rackman
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By that logic Fender owes a shitton to the Paul Bigsby estate.No it's akin to saying they have the rights to the Model T which in a sense Fender does have with the Tele/Strat by name without a doubt
None of the companies that Fender send C&D letters to are calling their guitars strats or teles.
The~Kid
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Not entirely as such designs are based off basic electronics and basic builds of an electric guitar and how they behave that apply to every electric guitar unlike shape and actual design of shape......
What you are saying is if someone held a patent on common sense or gravity for example which is as ridiculous as whatever else you said or close to it
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Speeddemon
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Here we go again...Not entirely as such designs are based off basic electronics and basic builds of an electric guitar and how they behave that apply to every electric guitar unlike shape and actual design of shape......
What you are saying is if someone held a patent on common sense or gravity for example which is as ridiculous as whatever else you said or close to it
Fender *had* a patent and it expired, as patents do. In the late 70's no less.
Leo, you know, that proud patriot who came up -not completely by himself as per Fender's own admission- with the design, was already allowed BACK THEN by Fender to make 'copies'... MM and later G&L. And Fender even had marketing around that... "Go ahead, buy a copy first, then come to us if you want real quality" or something along those lines. But as plenty pointed out, that quality is no longer there for the price they're asking.
And the whole "if it's good enough for Jimi and Brad" argument is silly AF too. You're comparing a real '68 Strat (that Jimi played), which was made to a certain standard to whatever is available now, after ~60 years of capitalist corner cutting and profit margin protection?
If you wanna talk big boy arguments about the legal aspects of all of this, I suggest you watch the Blues Lawyer Confessional video on this matter first, since he's an actual lawyer, which you -based off the questionable quality of your responses clearly are not
- and he'll explain the differences between patents, trademarks and copyrights.The current German ruling is about the latter and Fender did some pretty damn shady stuff to try to sell it as a copyright thing, including claiming (and revising their own website) to make it seem like Leo was the sole creator of the shape, which wasn't the case, or does the name George Fullerton not ring a bell to you?
This is my last reply to you in this thread, since I'll probably be pelted with non sensical shit, baseless accusations and personal attacks, etc., but I'm just hoping you can stay on topic, educate yourself about the legal aspects of this and agree that them sending a C&D letter to PRS is a bullshit longshot, especially if this letter is presented like there's legal precedent now, when there isn't. A default ruling against a no-show Chinese company is not the same as a court actually granting Fender's copyright claim for global business. Because only the latter would have SOME sway in making PRS stop producing S types, and as pointed out already by many, this isn't the case...
"American great, Europe bad" incoming in 3...2...1...
The~Kid
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Well......Here we go again...
Fender *had* a patent and it expired, as patents do. In the late 70's no less.
Leo, you know, that proud patriot who came up -not completely by himself as per Fender's own admission- with the design, was already allowed BACK THEN by Fender to make 'copies'... MM and later G&L. And Fender even had marketing around that... "Go ahead, buy a copy first, then come to us if you want real quality" or something along those lines. But as plenty pointed out, that quality is no longer there for the price they're asking.
And the whole "if it's good enough for Jimi and Brad" argument is silly AF too. You're comparing a real '68 Strat (that Jimi played), which was made to a certain standard to whatever is available now, after ~60 years of capitalist corner cutting and profit margin protection?
If you wanna talk big boy arguments about the legal aspects of all of this, I suggest you watch the Blues Lawyer Confessional video on this matter first, since he's an actual lawyer, which you -based off the questionable quality of your responses clearly are not
The current German ruling is about the latter and Fender did some pretty damn shady stuff to try to sell it as a copyright thing, including claiming (and revising their own website) to make it seem like Leo was the sole creator of the shape, which wasn't the case, or does the name George Fullerton not ring a bell to you?
This is my last reply to you in this thread, since I'll probably be pelted with non sensical shit, baseless accusations and personal attacks, etc., but I'm just hoping you can stay on topic, educate yourself about the legal aspects of this and agree that them sending a C&D letter to PRS is a bullshit longshot, especially if this letter is presented like there's legal precedent now, when there isn't. A default ruling against a no-show Chinese company is not the same as a court actually granting Fender's copyright claim for global business. Because only the latter would have SOME sway in making PRS stop producing S types, and as pointed out already by many, this isn't the case...
"American great, Europe bad" incoming in 3...2...1...
Fuck PRS..... All they do or have done is copy Gibson and now Fender.....
And well this isn't against Ibanez or other S Types as much as it is against pirated copies of Chinese BS..... In Europe though due to the stupid laws or however the hell "laws" work out there the laws there allow Fender to have more leverage
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VonBonfire
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They should sue Fender for copying their silver sky.
Geo
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It's the only guitar PRS makes that isn't fugly.They should sue Fender for copying their silver sky.
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