Rumored Mesa Mark James Hetfield signature

IronSean said:
Except the A/D and D/A converters on the mixer that's micing that amp and sending it to the front of house via PA
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The more of those the worse, so why not eliminate that at the amp level? Plus not every gig or playing situation will be miced.
 
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Mike Oxhuge said:
Experience. If a JCM 800 patch dialed to sound like the real deal next to it then doesn't cut through it isn't the dialing. I'm far from the only guitar player with this experience. Modelers are the fuck dolls of the guitar world. Some are cheap blow up versions some are like the more real ones but none are as satisfying as the real thing.
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I’m not trying to be a dick but that’s anecdotal experience.

I dunno what to tell you. Either you didn’t dial in the modeler to sound the same as the tube amp, or you were using a bad modeler, or you were using a bad poweramp, or a bad cabinet, or any number of things.

“Disappearing in the mix” is not an inherent quality of modeling as a technology, because there are no inherent sound qualities of modeling as a concept other than lag from the A/D D/A conversion. This is because there are no magical qualities about tubes that makes their characteristics incapable of being modeled. Disappearing in the mix can also happen to tube rigs dialed in to behave like that. Tubes sound great but they’re not magic.
 
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Techdeth said:
My 3++ green stripe is perfect . Just shows how we all are differnt . It made me sell my 2c+ mark iv and mark 5
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i really like the green too. to me it kinda has the end of III rounder fatter single note vibe that naturally transitioned to the IV.
 
TheGreatGreen said:
I’m not trying to be a dick but that’s anecdotal experience.

I dunno what to tell you. Either you didn’t dial in the modeler to sound the same as the tube amp, or you were using a bad modeler, or you were using a bad poweramp, or a bad cabinet, or any number of things.

“Disappearing in the mix” is not an inherent quality of modeling as a technology, because there are no inherent sound qualities of modeling as a concept other than lag from the A/D D/A conversion. This is because there are no magical qualities about tubes that makes their characteristics incapable of being modeled. Disappearing in the mix can also happen to tube rigs dialed in to behave like that. Tubes sound great but they’re not magic.
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Whatever dude. Doesn't work for me and it isn't the dialing. Maybe the latest Snax or a Kemper would but I have no desire to spend the money to be disappointed as I can cover every tone I'll ever need with my Mark VII. Lots of guitarists agree with me. They always sound fine on a recording and fail in live use for me. I really give zero fucks what you think.
 
Mike Oxhuge said:
Whatever dude. Doesn't work for me and it isn't the dialing. Maybe the latest Snax or a Kemper would but I have no desire to spend the money to be disappointed as I can cover every tone I'll ever need with my Mark VII. Lots of guitarists agree with me. They always sound fine on a recording and fail in live use for me. I really give zero fucks what you think.
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It doesn’t have to work for you, lots of players don’t like modelers. And you don’t have to give any fucks about what I think.

But bro, come on. Don’t expect to come to a place like this where people actually know their shit, and try to spread objectively false nonsense like “all modelers don’t work with tube amps because of ‘phase issues’” and “all modelers disappear in the mix” and expect not to be called out for it. This isn’t facebook or the gear page.

Glad you dig your Mark VII though. Killer amp.
 
I think a lot of the problems with modelers is guitarists dial in these wonderful polished studio sounds at home and then completely disappear in a live band mix. I've experienced it multiple times... the guitarist playing through his Kemper is barely audible, while the bass and drums are pounding my head in. Is that user error? I really don't know, b/c I never played live with a modeler. I love them at home though.
 
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TheGreatGreen said:
It doesn’t have to work for you, lots of players don’t like modelers. And you don’t have to give any fucks about what I think.

But bro, come on. Don’t expect to come to a place like this where people actually know their shit, and try to spread objectively false nonsense like “all modelers don’t work with tube amps because of ‘phase issues’” and “all modelers disappear in the mix” and expect not to be called out for it. This isn’t facebook or the gear page.

Glad you dig your Mark VII though. Killer amp.
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Oh yeah I forgot that you are the worlds judge of what is true or isn't. Lol. I feel sorry for you. Yes it's a gear forum and my opinion is worth the same as yours whether your ego likes it or not. The narcism is strong in your posts. I even said I haven't tried all the latest ones. And what I said about them being the fuck dolls of the guitar world is 100 percent true. Only if perfected they could then be as good as a tube amp.
 
Mike Oxhuge said:
Oh yeah I forgot that you are the worlds judge of what is true or isn't. Lol. I feel sorry for you. Yes it's a gear forum and my opinion is worth the same as yours whether your ego likes it or not. The narcism is strong in your posts. I even said I haven't tried all the latest ones. And what I said about them being the fuck dolls of the guitar world is 100 percent true. Only if perfected they could then be as good as a tube amp.
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So between you and me, I'm the one with the big ego here, huh? Hey btw which one of us was it that got their big ego so bruised just by being told they were incorrect about something that they threw a tantrum and started personally insulting the other one? Oh right. That was you.

Also I'll remind you that your "opinion" is that "modelers don't play well with tube amps because of 'phase issues with the poweramp'" and "I think modelers disappear in the mix because I don't know how to use them" so no your opinion about those things isn't really worth anything because they aren't opinions, they're just claims that are factually incorrect. They show you have no idea what you're talking about.
 
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TheGreatGreen said:
So between you and me, I'm the one with the big ego here, huh? Hey btw which one of us was it that got their big ego so bruised just by being told they were incorrect about something that they threw a tantrum and started personally insulting the other one? Oh right. That was you.

Also I'll remind you that your "opinion" is that "modelers don't play well with tube amps because of 'phase issues with the poweramp'" and "I think modelers disappear in the mix because I don't know how to use them" so no your opinion about those things isn't really worth anything because they aren't opinions, they're just claims that are factually incorrect. They show you have no idea what you're talking about.
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I'm not going to keep arguing with an idiot as you will just drag me down to your level and beat me with experience. Also don't want to shit in someone else's thread. Clearly I understand this is a matter of opinion and your just another butthurt modeler incel that thinks his opinion is fact. I clearly said I haven't tried the latest which would imply to anyone with clear reasoning that the latest may have finally gotten there. Maybe not. Either way I'm out of this thread.
 
Mike Oxhuge said:
I'm not going to keep arguing with an idiot as you will just drag me down to your level and beat me with experience. Also don't want to shit in someone else's thread. Clearly I understand this is a matter of opinion and your just another butthurt modeler incel that thinks his opinion is fact. I clearly said I haven't tried the latest which would imply to anyone with clear reasoning that the latest may have finally gotten there. Maybe not. Either way I'm out of this thread.
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Sorry, could you repeat that? Your post isn’t coming though on my end. It must be out of phase with my posts.

Signed,
GreatGreen, the world’s judge of what is true or isn't
 
Les Zombie said:
Pretty sure that proto amp has been floating around for 5 yrs now in other pics of HQ, i doubt this ever gets released.
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Signature electronic gear has to be a compromise between price & quality, refer to Nuno's story about Ed and the 5150 lol. His touring amps were not what the public got.
 
vertigo08 said:
Signature electronic gear has to be a compromise between price & quality, refer to Nuno's story about Ed and the 5150 lol. His touring amps were not what the public got.
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In my opinion...the Peavey 5150 series amps were the PERFECT balance of price and quality: affordable - reliable - sound killer
 
It's kinda fun to speculate about what that JH prototype might be. Like, what's the big knob in the middle? James is known for blending the VH4 and IIC+ and I think Randall alluded to the JH prototype being basically a combo of preamps from the JC-120, VH4, and IIC+.

I wonder if the big knob is a Blend control for fading between the VH4 and IIC+ channels.
 
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TheGreatGreen said:
It's kinda fun to speculate about what that JH prototype might be. Like, what's the big knob in the middle? James is known for blending the VH4 and IIC+ and I think Randall alluded to the JH prototype being basically a combo of preamps from the JC-120, VH4, and IIC+.

I wonder if the big knob is a Blend control for fading between the VH4 and IIC+ channels.
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Would be amazing if that was the case.
 
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