Screw all modern high gain fancy fairy dust boutique Amps...

[DanTravis62]

Yeah. well I play in front of my amp a lot now since I have the gate, but I used to play to the side of the cab to prevent this, but I had the cab faced to the outside of the room. It worked to allow the feedback to be in check, but it shook the dishes in the cabinets of the kitchen. So I faced the cab into the corner, and now because I have wood floors, it reverbs so bad that I have to be in a different room to play straight in at volume to keep my guitar from overreacting. With my gating situation, now it is kind of like playing at matt's where you just control the amp with silencing the strings.

I agree with you though. Some people cannot control an amp at volume, and it is a learned skill. but if you play in a phone booth at volume, it is a big choore in any case.

For sure. I just think it's funny and kind of ironic that we (as guitarists) use pedals to solve an issue that we kind of create ourselves, by trying to use this shit in ways it wasn't meant to be used

 

[S̷͖͑m̵͎͂á̵̺s̸͚̈́h̴̬̑]

For sure. I just think it's funny and kind of ironic that we (as guitarists) use pedals to solve an issue that we kind of create ourselves, by trying to use this shit in ways it wasn't meant to be used

Yes, Dan. But the alternative is to buy a bigger house, or play quiet. I am fine with one, but never the other.

 

[Simon Dorn]

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I tend to agree.

 

[Simon Dorn]

Yes. But i was able to dial in the darkness with subtractive eq at treble, allowing the presence to stay high which is what keeps the palm mutes bouncy and tight.
I am not saying apples to apples, because like you say, I am not on a stock jcm. I am just saying when you lower the presence, you take away the bite and the palm mutes become soft and sludgy. But i would need to play your amp at volume to see what i could do. And i think i would be frustrated also because of the limitations of the stock circuit. The eq is a weakness of a jcm.

 

[Simon Dorn]

Yes, Dan. But the alternative is to buy a bigger house, or play quiet. I am fine with one, but never the other.

Fwiw when i play our big house is shaking.

 

[Simon Dorn]

The lack of gain is also the weakness of the 2203 circuit, which is why you need to boost it to all holy kingdom come to even get it into extreme metal territory... and then you do boost it, and introduce other issues like lack of dynamics and clarity

Larry is correct in that his amps 100% do not need a boost or gate - in fact, the gain sounds sound much worse with a boost in front. I have demonstrated it on recordings i've posted here before.

The dynamics and clarity are still there even on low volume

 

[Simon Dorn]

Yes. But i was able to dial in the darkness with subtractive eq at treble, allowing the presence to stay high which is what keeps the palm mutes bouncy and tight.
I am not saying apples to apples, because like you say, I am not on a stock jcm. I am just saying when you lower the presence, you take away the bite and the palm mutes become soft and sludgy. But i would need to play your amp at volume to see what i could do. And i think i would be frustrated also because of the limitations of the stock circuit. The eq is a weakness of a jcm.

Volume doesn't matter as much as you might think. At least in a recording situation. I used to dial in the Marshall pretty muffled for a while.
Btw. Do or did you play in a band?

 

[DanTravis62]

The dynamics and clarity are still there even on low volume

Uh, I'll be diplomatic and say 'agree to disagree' as that clip is not even remotely what I would call "dynamic and clear"

It's brutal, sure. And fizzy, and aggressive, and farts out on the low end a bit (it's especially obvious at the very start of the clip with the palm mutes)

It totally works as an old school death metal sound in the same way an HM2 does except with a tad less aggression and cut.

But if that's an example of "dynamics and clarity" I'm am literally Sydney Sweeney.

 

[S̷͖͑m̵͎͂á̵̺s̸͚̈́h̴̬̑]

Volume doesn't matter as much as you might think. At least in a recording situation. I used to dial in the Marshall pretty muffled for a while.
Btw. Do or did you play in a band?

Recording i understand....i am talking about fucking FUN.

However it does matter a lot when getting the power section into the game which gives you more gain and the low end to make it not sound so thin when you dial it cutting.

 

[Simon Dorn]

I used to think that until I tried a few good KLON types with it. Even still, I use those for just a touch of compression, not so much a boost per se as I generally keep both the pedal’s output level and drive at 9 o’clock and the amp gain at noon. This setup facilitates single note technical riffing like Necrophagist and Revocation

Post a Clip. It's about time for a Divine Intervention.

 

[Simon Dorn]

Uh, I'll be diplomatic and say 'agree to disagree' as that clip is not even remotely what I would call "dynamic and clear"

It's brutal, sure. And fizzy, and aggressive, and farts out on the low end a bit (it's especially obvious at the very start of the clip with the palm mutes)

It totally works as an old school death metal sound in the same way an HM2 does except with a tad less aggression and cut.

But if that's an example of "dynamics and clarity" I'm am literally Sydney Sweeney.

Fair enough.

 

[Simon Dorn]

Recording i understand....i am talking about fucking FUN.

However it does matter a lot when getting the power section into the game which gives you more gain and the low end to make it not sound so thin when you dial it cutting.

Hence i wrote: "At least in a recording situation."

 

[Simon Dorn]

At least we get the Thread going.

 

[WizardAmpIphoneClip]

Always found 800's or JMP's sounded better without that gain maxed. It gets a little muddy there. About 7 is where I maxed out. Of course I had a pedal up front too

 

[Simon Dorn]

Always found 800's or JMP's sounded better without that gain maxed. It gets a little muddy there. About 7 is where I maxed out. Of course I had a pedal up front too

 

[Simon Dorn]

Always found 800's or JMP's sounded better without that gain maxed. It gets a little muddy there. About 7 is where I maxed out. Of course I had a pedal up front too

Just found a Clip with the Gain on 7

 

[thegame]

I agree that it can add compression, which might be helpful to some players (especially live) - but at least with my right hand, it was wildly unnecessary the vast majority of the time - I definitely agree that klones are generally the best for the purpose, though, if you're dead set on doing it.

But I 100% disagree that it sounds any better, especially under a microphone - it might make it more compressed or more gainy, but honestly it takes away from what makes a larry's gain sound so great and magical in the first place and makes it more "ordinary" IMO

The whole idea (at least for me) is that the larry exposes your technique and forces you to straighten out your right hand and rely on that for the compression. Once that's sorted, you're rewarded with the tightest tracking, most usable high gain that exists on planet earth.

There's a first time for everything Daniel.

 

[ZEEGLER]

That's crazy talk, over a Hagen? Those things are amazing. Stay retarded, TGP

There's one on Marketplace around here somewhere. The guy is asking $5000 CDN. Are they really that good?

 

[DanTravis62]

There's one on Marketplace around here somewhere. The guy is asking $5000 CDN. Are they really that good?

I personally think it's the best diezel ever made, but that's just my personal opinion - it's way more "modded marshall" sounding than the more famous ones. That's a pretty high price ...I think? I have no idea what that would be in real money

 

[Beyond Black]

Always found 800's or JMP's sounded better without that gain maxed. It gets a little muddy there. About 7 is where I maxed out. Of course I had a pedal up front too

Agreed, 8 max is the sweet spot. Anything higher just brings the mud.