Searching for a 3d super high gain head

[colimofsmoke]

Hey all. New here. Looking for suggestions. I have a new solo project, super pummeling, eviscerating metal. Kind of a "brutal death metal" sound, but a little more out there. Trying to avoid the djent sound, after something more dimensional and resonant. Anyway, I'm deep in the amp search. I first got a tiny terror hoping I could save some money and just boost it into the territory I need, but that thing sounds terrible with pedals, and doesn't have enough gain on its own, and I couldn't get rid of it fast enough. After all the Mesa recto suggestions, I tried that ad nauseum, but I just don't like them. Finally the local boutique amp dealer got a diezel Herbert, and its pretty dead on the sound I'm after. Problem is, I simply cant drop the g's for it. So today I played a Rivera knucklehead tre, and I actually liked it quite a bit. Also played a thunderverb, and it was getting close, but I don't love the shape control. Finally, I played the thunderverb with a Rivera metal shaman, and it was pretty damn amazing. Feels weird to put a pedal in front of a $2300 head, tho. Maybe a jcm800 with the Rivera pedal? Any suggestions? Could really use the help, have reached the point of being crazy confused. Thanks in advance, and please don't flame the new guy. Cheers.

 

[LP Freak]

Anything from Fortin.

 

[colimofsmoke]

The natas, I assume?

 

[colimofsmoke]

I'm inside Chicago btw. Hello

 

[glpg80]

Im going to go out on a limb and recommend something not many would. Bruce Egnater designed it, and Randall built it. They only made ~ 1000 in the entire world so there are not many to go around, but it sounds exactly like what you're going for. Price wise they do not decrease in value, $800 is reasonable and 600 is a steal, 1000 is not uncommon but there are better deals.

Randall X2 Warhead. Stick a parametric EQ as a mid boost in the loop and you've got one hell of a 3d sound that will more than cover the material you're looking for and still 1/4 the price of a herbert.

 

[colimofsmoke]

Cool thanks, I'll look into it. I think Decapitated used those?

 

[Mr. Willy]

The most 3d sound I've heard is the older Bogner Ubershall's. Massive and 3d.

 

[gibson5413]

I thought the Engl SE was pretty 3D. The Diezel Herbert as well.

 

[Death by Uberschall]

The most 3d sound I've heard is the older Bogner Ubershall's. Massive and 3d.

This!!!

 

[colimofsmoke]

Yeesh those fortins are as much as the Herbert

Yeah, the Herbert's are plenty 3d IMO. I played a twin jet and liked it until I played the Herbert.

 

[jack butler]

Is Fortin making the Natas? I thought he is so busy working with Randall that he isn't building Fortin amps anymore. The only used Fortin I've seen was selling for almost twice what a used Herbert goes for. If a Herbert has the sound your looking for, do your best to get one. Otherwise nothing you get will satisfy you, you'll always want the Herbert. Good Luck

 

[LP Freak]

Yeesh those fortins are as much as the Herbert

Yeah, the Herbert's are plenty 3d IMO. I played a twin jet and liked it until I played the Herbert.

He does some great mods that are cheaper. The JVM comes to mind.

Also, what about a 5150?

 

[bananaladonpcp]

you can find a used herbert for under 3000. they dont have many issues and if you do have one you can call Peter Diezel himself and he will help you fix it. You can talk to him in the Diezel thread here too. He has been insanely helpful to me and everyone else that owns diezels. I love my herbert.

-Alex

 

[Digital Jams]

Natas is more dominating than 3d sounding meaning imo 3d has a habit when tweaked wrong to get lost in the mix live.

3d sounding = Herbert, ENGL SE, heavy compressed amps.

Why not a 5150 with a slight detune or very suttle delay post mix since you are recording, Pagan's Mind has awesome tone using 5150s..

$600 records like this...................

 

[jcj]

I'm not even sure what 3d means in relation to an amp, but if I'm trying to imagine it, it definitely doesn't bring to mind Diezels or Engls....

 

[Digital Jams]

I'm not even sure what 3d means in relation to an amp, but if I'm trying to imagine it, it definitely doesn't bring to mind Diezels or Engls....

For me it is an amp that is not pronounced in one certain freq and has some compression working.

VHT = bark and very little compression and is labeled "dry"

Herbert esp with the mid-cut engaged = multiple freqs and more compression making it sound larger.

NOt sure it that mess helps but how I read it

 

[colimofsmoke]

I'm actually more thinking about live setup than recording at this point. I play live with drums in ableton.

I don't like engl's very much. I really didn't care for the 5150 I played at guitar center.

 

[colimofsmoke]

By 3d I mean mutliple frequency harmonic response, doesn't sound super processed or flat or thin or one dimensional. Has a sense of space even with a super saturated gain structure. The Herbert and the knucklehead tre seem to me to get at this with the combo of presence control and depth control. Like, you can have a super cutting gain sound and still have serious bass response within it.

 

[Digital Jams]

Then get what you what, start saving and look for a herbert being sold here by a trusted member. They are cool amps.

 

[jcj]

I'm not even sure what 3d means in relation to an amp, but if I'm trying to imagine it, it definitely doesn't bring to mind Diezels or Engls....

For me it is an amp that is not pronounced in one certain freq and has some compression working.

VHT = bark and very little compression and is labeled "dry"

Herbert esp with the mid-cut engaged = multiple freqs and more compression making it sound larger.

NOt sure it that mess helps but how I read it

Gotcha...it actually did help

I'm no good with most descriptions of tone....mids that haunt, notes that flip...I dunno whatthefuck that's supposed to describe