Robotechnology
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Why not an ENGL Blackmore. You can get some of the ENGL Special Edition tones out of it. It has MORE than enough gain and its in the right pricerange (I'm selling mine too).
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colimofsmoke
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what about this sound? any ideas?
song starts around 0:48
song starts around 0:48
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colimofsmoke
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or this
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colimofsmoke
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this is probably closest to what i'm after, although not quite. stylistically very on tho.
i get really confused because i looked up a bunch of bands that are approaching the sound i'm after, and they all seem to use Mesas and Marshalls, but when i play those amps, they dont sound a damn thing like the records. I'm aware that alot changes in recording, post-processing, etc, and that they are probably using pedals (especially with the marshalls, how does anyone even get jcm800's to sound metal??). i dont want to directly copy anyone's sound, but it is a bit frustrating that my direct experience with these amps is so far off the mark.
also, i realized it was a 6505 I played and not a 5150.
i get really confused because i looked up a bunch of bands that are approaching the sound i'm after, and they all seem to use Mesas and Marshalls, but when i play those amps, they dont sound a damn thing like the records. I'm aware that alot changes in recording, post-processing, etc, and that they are probably using pedals (especially with the marshalls, how does anyone even get jcm800's to sound metal??). i dont want to directly copy anyone's sound, but it is a bit frustrating that my direct experience with these amps is so far off the mark.
also, i realized it was a 6505 I played and not a 5150.
LP Freak
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Sounds to me like you need an AxeFX. You can get that post produced sound all day long.
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colimofsmoke
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hm. i'm not sure. i'd really prefer to just plug in and play through an amp with little to no pedals.
also: thoughts on framus cobra? there's one for sale closer to my price range...
also: thoughts on framus cobra? there's one for sale closer to my price range...
Death by Uberschall
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Death by Uberschall":1nfqanti said:
This!!! This!!! This!!!
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colimofsmoke
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ha. ok. so far the vote tally goes something like this:
1. save and get the herbert.
2. UBERSCHALL!!!!
3. buy something cheaper that i happen to be selling
1. save and get the herbert.
2. UBERSCHALL!!!!
3. buy something cheaper that i happen to be selling
bubbastain
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LP Freak":os5gitq9 said:
^ so true. That's what I'm hearing from all the examples you supplied. That is a very produced sound that is in a mix and probably 4 or more guitar tracks with who knows what else done in the studio. If you were to play one of those guitar players amps in a room you would I'm sure be amazed at how much they don't sound like the finished product.
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jcj
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bubbastain":260ja250 said:LP Freak":260ja250 said:
^ so true. That's what I'm hearing from all the examples you supplied. That is a very produced sound that is in a mix and probably 4 or more guitar tracks with who knows what else done in the studio. If you were to play one of those guitar players amps in a room you would I'm sure be amazed at how much they don't sound like the finished product.
The Herbert has a lot of that "produced" amp thing going on, so I don't think you guys are far off the mark.
OP- I'd describe the sound you're looking for as polished and balanced....the Axe Fx would actually fit the bill VERY well...lots of metal bands are using them, for just that sound (live).
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colimofsmoke
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bubbastain":3raxrub3 said:LP Freak":3raxrub3 said:
^ so true. That's what I'm hearing from all the examples you supplied. That is a very produced sound that is in a mix and probably 4 or more guitar tracks with who knows what else done in the studio. If you were to play one of those guitar players amps in a room you would I'm sure be amazed at how much they don't sound like the finished product.
yeah, i know. and this guy at MakenMusic that i was talking to said I should invest in a good PA and an AxeFX for what I'm trying to do, as I could control the mix with my drum programming better. I have to say, the Thunderverb with the reverb cranked and a Rivera Metal Shaman in front got surprisingly close to these sounds. I guess I just have a hangup about not using a tube amp in my setup, likewise with having to use a pedal in front of a boutique amp. I just know that when I sat in front of a twin jet, I was like, holy shit, this thing sounds good. then I sat in front of a Herbert and immediately felt like: this is it. this is the sound I want. when I played the Rivera Knucklehead Tre, which i originally didnt even consider, at first, i thought, "eh." but then after messing with it for a good 15 or 20 minutes, I started to actually really like it.
but maybe you're right, an AxeFX might be the way to go. it'd certainly help with lugging gear around anyway.
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colimofsmoke
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jcj":1uny02ot said:bubbastain":1uny02ot said:LP Freak":1uny02ot said:
^ so true. That's what I'm hearing from all the examples you supplied. That is a very produced sound that is in a mix and probably 4 or more guitar tracks with who knows what else done in the studio. If you were to play one of those guitar players amps in a room you would I'm sure be amazed at how much they don't sound like the finished product.
The Herbert has a lot of that "produced" amp thing going on, so I don't think you guys are far off the mark.
OP- I'd describe the sound you're looking for as polished and balanced....the Axe Fx would actually fit the bill VERY well...lots of metal bands are using them, for just that sound (live).
this is really interesting. i hadn't thought of it that way at all, but i guess so. part of this is coming from the fact that i used to be in a band (that did quite well for a while, toured the west coast and got reviewed in WIRE) with, and lived in a recording studio with this studio producer who took care of the production side of everything, so I never had to know that stuff. but he also insisted on playing midi guitars, which sounded frigging terrible imo. classic problem of an incredible genius musician who seemed incapable of hearing the sound quality of his own setup because he was so focused on composition and playing technique. anyway, it really jaded me against having anything digital in my signal path for my guitar setup. i would actually love to figure out a way to get ableton out of my setup and do it all analog. but i guess maybe my idea of how things work and what i'm actually after are at odds.
Atropos_Project
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colimofsmoke":2sg6chcn said:
It's a challenge, to say the least, to directly emulate what you hear on a recorded track with an amp by itself. Most folks go the other way, getting an amp that they love the sound of first, then trying to capture that in the studio (which can also be aggravating in its own right...).
You'd be surprised if you had access to the mixes on those tracks, and solo'ed the guitars on any of those tracks. After eq etc, they probably sound a good deal different than you're thinking.
I'd probably also vote for the Axe-FX in this case as well, it would probably be more cost effective for you.
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colimofsmoke
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I want to be clear I'm not trying to emulate, just that there are aspects of those sounds that are close o what I hear in my head. Particularly the type of gain and the resonance, ie reverb I suppose.
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colimofsmoke
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And yes, having recorded mutliple albums, I'm very aware that the room sound of those guitars is quite different than the produced final version
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colimofsmoke
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I guess what I'm saying is I love the sound of the Herbert and would love to make it work/be able to afford it. (sorry for multiple posts, I'm on my phone and editing is a pain)
rsm
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3D is how I'd describe my Engl rig: E530 preamp, E850/100 power amp, and 2 2x12 E212VHB cabs.
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colimofsmoke
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Axefx ii worth the extra dough?
Orren
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From the amps I have heard and/or owned, assuming you want to keep it under $2000 my recommendations are:
Egnater Armageddon—heard it repeatedly, extremely flexible, brutal but with body great mid sweep. I think this amp has has arguably the most amazing footswitch on the market. If I could have afforded this amp, I'd own it. $1799
ENGL Fireball—heard it repeatedly, very dark sounding (but wide EQ sweep) but still rich. Not as flexible as the Armaggedon, without the upper gain limit of the Powerball, but can certainly bring "teh brootalz" without sounding fizzy if EQ'd right. $1699
Laney Ironheart—I own the 60W version. This amp is also extremely flexible, and has a very rich British character, not brittle or wooly. The pre-boost negates need for boost pedal (that's basically what it is, a boost before the amp stages). Use the watts knob to push the power section to breakup at lower volume. $999 (120W) $850 (60W)
Orren
Egnater Armageddon—heard it repeatedly, extremely flexible, brutal but with body great mid sweep. I think this amp has has arguably the most amazing footswitch on the market. If I could have afforded this amp, I'd own it. $1799
ENGL Fireball—heard it repeatedly, very dark sounding (but wide EQ sweep) but still rich. Not as flexible as the Armaggedon, without the upper gain limit of the Powerball, but can certainly bring "teh brootalz" without sounding fizzy if EQ'd right. $1699
Laney Ironheart—I own the 60W version. This amp is also extremely flexible, and has a very rich British character, not brittle or wooly. The pre-boost negates need for boost pedal (that's basically what it is, a boost before the amp stages). Use the watts knob to push the power section to breakup at lower volume. $999 (120W) $850 (60W)
Orren
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colimofsmoke
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Thanks, those sound like good suggestions.
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