Slaving: what I use...looking for comments

[stratotone]

I think Digital Jams already asked, but are your wet cabs 100% wet? Seems if they were you wouldn't have phase issues.

I am experimenting right now with a dry cab, and take a signal off of a Palmer 03 (speaker simmed) for FX and running the wet through wedges. Actually really sounds great. But I don't use a lot of FX, and there is no dry in there.

If the wet cabs aren't 100% wet, this could cause some weirdness and 'phaser that isn't moving' sound issues. The dry signal and the wet signal on the effected cabs is just delayed enough sometimes coming through the effects that it does a funky comb filter thing. If you aren't running 100% wet, try it.

Pete

 

[Digital Jams]

You guys are right....I busted my ass for years to get to the point where I am so hell yeah I am going to use as much shit as I want

 

[Shark Diver]

Another thing to think about is if there is just too much of a wet to dry cab ratio.

I've tried my setup up with 1x12, 2x12, and 4x12's as the wet cabs, and it has always sounded best with just (2) 1x12 cabs. Any more and I've run into some of the phase issues your talking about. Even with running (2) 4x12 dry cabs, I never need for more FX with just (2) 1x12 wet cabs.

Even with 100 watt dry power, a little 20x20 watt tube power amp is more than enough.

For what its worth.

I agree 100%

 

[Suhr]

The iso line out box we make is 100% flat
no treble or bass loss unless you are running into a load under 2K

What you should do is run into a mixer if you will run dry and wet into the other two cabs, The intelliflex is terrible for thinning out the tone, you are running thru too much gear without a mixer.. but I know it doesn't seem to matter

But here is what you should do, Take the line out into the power amp one channel direct with nothing between, bring both cabs up to an equal volume (original and wet that has only dry in it) and then flip the phase switch and which ever direction has more bass is the correct one, your other cab should now be fine, but do this too ! Put a 9V battery on the tip of the cord to + side and touch the ground side, all your speakers should push out on all the cabinets, you can use a flashlite to look.

If you still hear a tone difference it is because the power amps or system you are running thru is giving you a loss somewhere, personally I only ever did wet dry wet and it sounded monstrous, no EQ's or anything else but I did notice my favorite power amp was always a guitar sounding power amp like a boogie 2/90 or two Marshalls with power amp returns. Solid state power amps even the H&H never did it for me even when only using wet thru them

 

[glpg80]

The iso line out box we make is 100% flat
no treble or bass loss unless you are running into a load under 2K

What you should do is run into a mixer if you will run dry and wet into the other two cabs, The intelliflex is terrible for thinning out the tone, you are running thru too much gear without a mixer.. but I know it doesn't seem to matter

But here is what you should do, Take the line out into the power amp one channel direct with nothing between, bring both cabs up to an equal volume (original and wet that has only dry in it) and then flip the phase switch and which ever direction has more bass is the correct one, your other cab should now be fine, but do this too ! Put a 9V battery on the tip of the cord to + side and touch the ground side, all your speakers should push out on all the cabinets, you can use a flashlite to look.

If you still hear a tone difference it is because the power amps or system you are running thru is giving you a loss somewhere, personally I only ever did wet dry wet and it sounded monstrous, no EQ's or anything else but I did notice my favorite power amp was always a guitar sounding power amp like a boogie 2/90 or two Marshalls with power amp returns. Solid state power amps even the H&H never did it for me even when only using wet thru them

that info is gold, thanks john

 

[jasonP]

I wanted to add something that I've found.

I've tired SS crown amp when I first had my w/d/w rig and after got my Mesa 395.
Found with the SS amp it was cleaner sounding but in a way that it sounded more processed. Top end sounded fake to my ears. Just not warm or organic like a tube amp. With the tube amp the cabs also sounded more 3d in the mid range.
Also like Dave said I really like runing the power amp almost all out as this seems to add something.

 

[Shark Diver]

The iso line out box we make is 100% flat
no treble or bass loss unless you are running into a load under 2K

What you should do is run into a mixer if you will run dry and wet into the other two cabs, The intelliflex is terrible for thinning out the tone, you are running thru too much gear without a mixer.. but I know it doesn't seem to matter

But here is what you should do, Take the line out into the power amp one channel direct with nothing between, bring both cabs up to an equal volume (original and wet that has only dry in it) and then flip the phase switch and which ever direction has more bass is the correct one, your other cab should now be fine, but do this too ! Put a 9V battery on the tip of the cord to + side and touch the ground side, all your speakers should push out on all the cabinets, you can use a flashlite to look.

If you still hear a tone difference it is because the power amps or system you are running thru is giving you a loss somewhere, personally I only ever did wet dry wet and it sounded monstrous, no EQ's or anything else but I did notice my favorite power amp was always a guitar sounding power amp like a boogie 2/90 or two Marshalls with power amp returns. Solid state power amps even the H&H never did it for me even when only using wet thru them

You should be helping me finish my rig!

 

[thiswaythatway]

The iso line out box we make is 100% flat
no treble or bass loss unless you are running into a load under 2K

What you should do is run into a mixer if you will run dry and wet into the other two cabs, The intelliflex is terrible for thinning out the tone, you are running thru too much gear without a mixer.. but I know it doesn't seem to matter

But here is what you should do, Take the line out into the power amp one channel direct with nothing between, bring both cabs up to an equal volume (original and wet that has only dry in it) and then flip the phase switch and which ever direction has more bass is the correct one, your other cab should now be fine, but do this too ! Put a 9V battery on the tip of the cord to + side and touch the ground side, all your speakers should push out on all the cabinets, you can use a flashlite to look.

If you still hear a tone difference it is because the power amps or system you are running thru is giving you a loss somewhere, personally I only ever did wet dry wet and it sounded monstrous, no EQ's or anything else but I did notice my favorite power amp was always a guitar sounding power amp like a boogie 2/90 or two Marshalls with power amp returns. Solid state power amps even the H&H never did it for me even when only using wet thru them

I'm using a Replifex right now through a parallel effects loop of a modded Marshall. When it's set right, i don't notice anything bad from the Replifex. When i unplug the loop my tone isn't changing at all. My setup is pretty simple though compared to a w/dw rig.

 

[Digital Jams]

Dave's Slave rig................................