so g12-65 speakers rock!!!!!

[wheelman]

tried em tonight, loaded them in a diezel front load 4x12. 10 hour break in period. Tonights gig was just slammin, big fat chewy leads. just fantastic! highly recommend these speakers, that is all

A Wood

Awesome news. I got a pair can't wait to install them.

 

[van hellion]

the real 65's do NOT like amplifiers voiced for mids at all until you are at serious band volumes - louder than what would be exceptable in most band applications IMHO

Nonsense. Thousands upon thousands of Marshall combos/halfstacks were sold with this combo from 1979 - 1984 or so. Its a great pairing.

i jack my mids on every amp and they sound great. dunno, maybe just hear things different. but for now im sticking to my guns, THEY ARE KILLIN!!

A Wood

 

[glassjaw7]

So, do these speakers sound similar to Scumback M75's?

 

[zuel69]

Great classic speakers. Of course maybe Jim Marshall "in his humble opinion" liked them... It's pure gold Jerry! f'n priceless.

the real 65's do NOT like amplifiers voiced for mids at all until you are at serious band volumes - louder than what would be exceptable in most band applications IMHO

Nonsense. Thousands upon thousands of Marshall combos/halfstacks were sold with this combo from 1979 - 1984 or so. Its a great pairing.

 

[van hellion]

So, do these speakers sound similar to Scumback M75's?

i have read online people have noted similarities BUT i personally have never a/b the 2

A Wood

 

[wheelman]

They good for older heavy style rhythm?

 

[Scumback Speakers]

So, do these speakers sound similar to Scumback M75's?

No. There are some significant differences between the cone treatment and that the G12-65 has the large 4" wide dustcap vs the 2" wide (regular size) dustcap. That means the high end is different as well as the mids.

The M75-LHDC (large heavy dust cap) would be the closest I make to a G12-65 type tone.

 

[thegame]

They good for older heavy style rhythm?

If you like Ride the Lightning and Puppets tones, yes. Thats what they used.

 

[wheelman]

They good for older heavy style rhythm?

If you like Ride the Lightning and Puppets tones, yes. Thats what they used.

Then yes.

 

[glpg80]

the real 65's do NOT like amplifiers voiced for mids at all until you are at serious band volumes - louder than what would be exceptable in most band applications IMHO

I disagree. I have two 4x12's loaded with original 65's and they sound great with everything...Camerons, Boogies, Marshalls. All but 2 of my video clips have at least one 65's cab. You are the first person to say that they don't like them. That's what is good about having different choices.

i dont like them with mid-heavy amplifiers. a 5150 + 65's = a muddy nonsense. unless you have EQ and effects all over the place to help with masking, cabinet + amplifier with nothing else it was a fighting mid-fest to my ears. amplifier trying for low's and speakers voiced for mid's.

i had orginal 1983-1986 G12-65's, 4 in a cabinet. i do know that when i sold the speakers someone on the forum suggested that there were two different cones to the 65's, a bass cone and a treble cone, and thought i had the bass cone. however the cabinet was a lead series cabinet - all original.

overthemountain owns it now.

i have no idea why people are arguing with me over this calling it non-sense. if you have played celestion G12-65's you would know about the mid's and the high roll off. i have not mixed these speakers at all, but by themselves i didnt like them.

i do like the character that they have and the high roll off, but not the mid voicing with mid-heavy amplifiers. marshall's are not mid-heavy amplifiers. 5150's are mid heavy amplifiers. SLO's are mid heavy amplifiers. to me they were not voiced with 65's in mind.

 

[glpg80]

Where is gpl80 or whatever to chime in and give his blow hard, long winded opinion because he saw a Splawn in a music store

It's pure gold Jerry! f'n priceless.

is there a problem that needs to be addressed that i am unaware of? you seem to be high and mighty over MY opinions like you're the next coming of god.

the last time i checked, this is a music forum where you share experiences of gear you have owned and talk about music. you are doing neither here

 

[Scumback Speakers]

Here's the often misunderstood history of the G12-65. Introduced in late 78, early 79, discontinued in 84 (G12T-75 took over, why I do not know, more power handling I guess).

During it's five year manufacturing history they changed the G12-65 recipe over 80 times. Why you ask? Who knows.

How do I know this? I used to be pretty tight with Duncan Boniface (a former lead speaker engineer at Celestion for 11 years plus) from 99-2004 when he left Celestion after they moved production to China. Before that happened I was working with Duncan on the new G10 Greenback. We probably traded 200 emails over 5 years and met up at NAMM twice. Yes, he has a Scumbag/Scumback T-shirt & hat (maybe that's why he's no longer with them!).

Duncan has posted this information on the Plexi Palace, just do a search for posts by user DunxB. In a nutshell, here's the deal.

The big problem with everyone's memory of a G12-65 from the 80's is that you just didn't know which of the 80 versions they had were "the ones". They didn't have bass cones unless someone reconed them, they came with 1777 75hz lead cones, not 444 55hz bass cones. At least I never saw any originals like that and Duncan said it was never spec'd that way from the factory. I'm figuring he'd know.

What the Heritage G12-65 is based on I don't know, since there were over 80 versions in five years. if you do the math, though, that's 16 different versions per year (for five years), or a different version every three weeks.

Now don't get me wrong, I had some in the early 80's (mine were bought new in March of 1981) that were great. But I can't tell you which version they were, and that cab was stolen from my house in 93, or I'd cough that information up right here and now.

It will always come down to different hearing/tastes/impressions. What's the cream of the crop for one player is the crappiest tone you've ever heard for another. The only definitive way to know is to try them with your amp/rig/guitar/settings.

And why are some of you bagging on glpg80? What's up with that?

 

[thegame]

marshall's are not mid-heavy amplifiers.

Sure, if you're talking about a Mode 4 or other SS Marshall. The Marshalls we here all know and love are FAMOUS for their pronounced midrange complexity.

 

[thegame]

The big problem with everyone's memory of a G12-65 from the 80's is that you just didn't know which of the 80 versions they had were "the ones". They didn't have bass cones unless someone reconed them, they came with 1777 75hz lead cones, not 444 55hz bass cones. At least I never saw any originals like that and Duncan said it was never spec'd that way from the factory. I'm figuring he'd know.

I've saved many of his posts. I believe he said around 30 - 40 versions. I've seen many used ones with 444 bass cones as well, from sellers claiming they are original.

 

[glpg80]

marshall's are not mid-heavy amplifiers.

Sure, if you're talking about a Mode 4 or other SS Marshall. The Marshalls we here all know and love are FAMOUS for their pronounced midrange complexity.

ok ok i get your point - marshalls do cut like a knife, but the mid frequency i heard in the 65's was not the mid frequency voicing of the 50+ marshalls i have played. marshalls just sound right and sit in a mix great. the 65's that i played were "off" - like there should have been a mid knob somewhere to reach for and turn down a bit so the speaker mixed better or something.

plugged into splawn small block 25's, V30's, G12-85's, 75's, and the 5150 logo sheffields i didnt have this problem with my amplifier. so it was the version of the 65's that i owned.

and BTW thanks for the clarification of the different speaker changes scumback speakers. that makes me feel a little more comfortable in trying g12-65's out again. i liked the marshall growl and high roll off they have

 

[zuel69]

No problem what-so-ever! Your correct, I'm a gear whore and should contribute my experiences more often. It's the classifieds that I'm hooked on.

Where is gpl80 or whatever to chime in and give his blow hard, long winded opinion because he saw a Splawn in a music store

It's pure gold Jerry! f'n priceless.

is there a problem that needs to be addressed that i am unaware of? you seem to be high and mighty over MY opinions like you're the next coming of god.

the last time i checked, this is a music forum where you share experiences of gear you have owned and talk about music. you are doing neither here

 

[wheelman]

I've seen a quad from 79 and two of them had smaller magnets. Marshall labels with lead cones.

 

[AmpliFIRE]

I've been through a ton of cabs over the years looking for "the one" and my search stopped the first time I heard g12 65's (thanks Dave ). I picked up a JCM 800 full stack loaded with 65s a few years back and I haven't looked for any speakers since. They are definitely like a higher output greenback with more bottom end punch...and they sound perfect with every Marshall that I've tried through them. My MKIV sounded great through them as well.

 

[Scumback Speakers]

I've saved many of his posts. I believe he said around 30 - 40 versions. I've seen many used ones with 444 bass cones as well, from sellers claiming they are original.

I've never seen an original G12-65 with a 444 cone, but I have seen reconed ones with them. Hmm, only 30-40 versions? I seem to remember him saying more in an email to me. But let's say you're right, that means they changed the G12-65 every six weeks instead of every three.

I know there's a love/hate relationship with the Heritage G12-65 from the clients I've discussed them with. Some claim they're just like the old ones, others say they're nothing like the old ones.

 

[thiswaythatway]

the real 65's do NOT like amplifiers voiced for mids at all until you are at serious band volumes - louder than what would be exceptable in most band applications IMHO

I disagree. I have two 4x12's loaded with original 65's and they sound great with everything...Camerons, Boogies, Marshalls. All but 2 of my video clips have at least one 65's cab. You are the first person to say that they don't like them. That's what is good about having different choices.

i dont like them with mid-heavy amplifiers. a 5150 + 65's = a muddy nonsense. unless you have EQ and effects all over the place to help with masking, cabinet + amplifier with nothing else it was a fighting mid-fest to my ears. amplifier trying for low's and speakers voiced for mid's.

i had orginal 1983-1986 G12-65's, 4 in a cabinet. i do know that when i sold the speakers someone on the forum suggested that there were two different cones to the 65's, a bass cone and a treble cone, and thought i had the bass cone. however the cabinet was a lead series cabinet - all original.

overthemountain owns it now.

i have no idea why people are arguing with me over this calling it non-sense. if you have played celestion G12-65's you would know about the mid's and the high roll off. i have not mixed these speakers at all, but by themselves i didnt like them.

i do like the character that they have and the high roll off, but not the mid voicing with mid-heavy amplifiers. marshall's are not mid-heavy amplifiers. 5150's are mid heavy amplifiers. SLO's are mid heavy amplifiers. to me they were not voiced with 65's in mind.

I have an idea why. It's because you think your opinion is a fact that others must share, when it's not.