So what is considered the ULTIMATE MARSHALL??

[Greazygeo]

I'm smart enough to always match impedance.

Who was the genius that told you you had to match impedance? You do know I do this on purpose right?

I never told you to do anything, i don't put my gear under stress.

Only a fool would tell others it's OK to mismatch impedance with no consequences, ever hear of flyback voltage?

What does it sound like? Maybe I've heard it.

Take a look at some old Fender amps....no imp selector and only says 4 ohm minimum load....they don't care one way or another what is hooked to it. I can't say I've ever seen a Fender amp with a blown transformer and they are cheapies.

From the Boogie Recto manual:

"Both the Dual and Triple Rectifier Solo Heads are not very sensitive to speaker mismatches and will not be damaged by them, except that very low ohmage loads will cause the power tubes to wear faster."

"MIS-MATCHING: When running a higher resistance (for example: 8 ohm output into 16 ohm cabinet), a slightly different feel and response will be eminent. A slight mismatch can provide a darker smoother tone with a little less output and attack. This response is a result of the amplifier running a bit cooler. Sometimes when using more than one cabinet a mismatch will be the only option."

So I get alittle less output from a cranked 100 watt plexi.....win.......darker smoother tone....win for me, others may like brighter...and the amp runs a bit cooler....I'd call that a win....

I'm sure there are cases where I'd be happier with a match....with all my amps so far, I've been happiest with setting the amp at 8 ohms while using a 16 ohm cab. For about 25 years or so with my old Marshalls which are supposed to blow very easily, nothing bad has happened. The sound / feel is better to me, I get good tube life and the amps survived years of 4 hour sets.....don't see anything wrong with that. But I guess that's what dummies do right?

With the old marshall impedance selectors, the less you move them the better. More damage from those getting loose. falling out and intermittent contact.

Now to figure out how those velcro shoes work.

 

[Ayrton]

VHT/Fryette deliverance all day long.

Not really a "Marshall" sound IMO.

Had one once, didn't even make it a month before it was sold.

 

[charveldan]

I'm smart enough to always match impedance.

Who was the genius that told you you had to match impedance? You do know I do this on purpose right?

I never told you to do anything, i don't put my gear under stress.

Only a fool would tell others it's OK to mismatch impedance with no consequences, ever hear of flyback voltage?

What does it sound like? Maybe I've heard it.

Take a look at some old Fender amps....no imp selector and only says 4 ohm minimum load....they don't care one way or another what is hooked to it. I can't say I've ever seen a Fender amp with a blown transformer and they are cheapies.

From the Boogie Recto manual:

"Both the Dual and Triple Rectifier Solo Heads are not very sensitive to speaker mismatches and will not be damaged by them, except that very low ohmage loads will cause the power tubes to wear faster."

"MIS-MATCHING: When running a higher resistance (for example: 8 ohm output into 16 ohm cabinet), a slightly different feel and response will be eminent. A slight mismatch can provide a darker smoother tone with a little less output and attack. This response is a result of the amplifier running a bit cooler. Sometimes when using more than one cabinet a mismatch will be the only option."

So I get alittle less output from a cranked 100 watt plexi.....win.......darker smoother tone....win for me, others may like brighter...and the amp runs a bit cooler....I'd call that a win....

I'm sure there are cases where I'd be happier with a match....with all my amps so far, I've been happiest with setting the amp at 8 ohms while using a 16 ohm cab. For about 25 years or so with my old Marshalls which are supposed to blow very easily, nothing bad has happened. The sound / feel is better to me, I get good tube life and the amps survived years of 4 hour sets.....don't see anything wrong with that. But I guess that's what dummies do right?

With the old marshall impedance selectors, the less you move them the better. More damage from those getting loose. falling out and intermittent contact.

Now to figure out how those velcro shoes work.

I got rid of those plug type ohms selectors, i think every gig i went to in the last 30 years i'd loose them.

 

[9ball]

I got rid of those plug type ohms selectors, i think every gig i went to in the last 30 years i'd loose them.

so all 3 gigs you lost one then?

lol

 

[charveldan]

I got rid of those plug type ohms selectors, i think every gig i went to in the last 30 years i'd loose them.

so all 3 gigs you lost one then?

lol

Do us a favor & get yourself banned. [lol]

 

[guitarmike]

Ok, so what is the difference between having Dave make an amp for you from scratch, or buying, say, a 1987X and giving it to Dave? A lot? Not much?

$1,000 - 1,500

Marsha - $3,000 plus options

modded Marshall
$700-1,000 for the amp
$900-1,400 in mods

 

[DEWD]

I like the JVM. I had one before and ran it with V30's and it was thin and basically crap like everyone else says. I recently got a new one and run it with Heritage EVH Greenbacks and it sounds massive. You can't beat the versatility and options.

 

[mightywarlock]

Ok, so what is the difference between having Dave make an amp for you from scratch, or buying, say, a 1987X and giving it to Dave? A lot? Not much?

$1,000 - 1,500

Marsha - $3,000 plus options

modded Marshall
$700-1,000 for the amp
$900-1,400 in mods

THIS!

 

[Digital Jams]

what are the thoughts on the re-issue 1959 plexi's?

Awesome platform, early 90s would be my choice.

 

[Ayrton]

what are the thoughts on the re-issue 1959 plexi's?

Awesome platform, early 90s would be my choice.

The earlier ones seem to have better sounding OTs, but I have no idea what the cutoff is. I just recommend the pre effects loop models. The '93 I have came with a MM OT when I bought it, and then Dave worked his magic on it.

 

[Digital Jams]

what are the thoughts on the re-issue 1959 plexi's?

Awesome platform, early 90s would be my choice.

The earlier ones seem to have better sounding OTs, but I have no idea what the cutoff is. I just recommend the pre effects loop models. The '93 I have came with a MM OT when I bought it, and then Dave worked his magic on it.

Several builders have told me the same, that the OTs are better and the loop on later models is butt useless.

 

[mightywarlock]

Ya know, I'm not sure this has helped.

It seems the answers are all over the place.

I'm probably selling one of my amps this weekend, and was trying to decide on which marshall to get next, but I'm still unsure.

I do know, I want an old one tho...

 

[eddyrox]

Anything Prior To Circut Boards... aka Point To Point Would be the Ultimate (Anything 67' to 72') Some 73's are point to point But you have to check.

I do have a Modded Mint 79' JMP Master Volume that sounds INSANE though...

Roid

dude, THAT is the CLEANEST chassis I've ever seen on a Marshall, let alone a '79 JMP. Fess up - did you clean it when you changed the PT/OT?

 

[RoidRage]

Anything Prior To Circut Boards... aka Point To Point Would be the Ultimate (Anything 67' to 72') Some 73's are point to point But you have to check.

I do have a Modded Mint 79' JMP Master Volume that sounds INSANE though...

Roid

dude, THAT is the CLEANEST chassis I've ever seen on a Marshall, let alone a '79 JMP. Fess up - did you clean it when you changed the PT/OT?

Well....

I might have dusted it off a little..

Roid RAGE

 

[mightywarlock]

Sheesh. I don't even think amps I have bought new looked as shiny as that!

 

[LesPaul1967]

Sheesh. I don't even think amps I have bought new looked as shiny as that!

The JMP chassis that I've had when they were brand new never looked as good as that. That's anomaly for sure. Refurbished?

 

[the rossness]

best overall marshall, unmoded would be a JMP. The golden era plexi's can be hit or miss and the JMP's got everything right.

Best modded marshall isn't a Dave friedman amp. Sorry Dave


The best moded marshall is a Soldano SLO. Runner up would be a Tim Caswell #39.

 

[lordriffenstein]

These:

Both are 50-watters, 68 plexi and 73 JMP bass. The 73 is a PTP version, date on the sticker is January 29th 1973. The 4x12 is the matching cab for the 73 with the original greenies with bass cone.

 

[blackba]

What does it sound like? Maybe I've heard it.

Take a look at some old Fender amps....no imp selector and only says 4 ohm minimum load....they don't care one way or another what is hooked to it. I can't say I've ever seen a Fender amp with a blown transformer and they are cheapies.

From the Boogie Recto manual:

"Both the Dual and Triple Rectifier Solo Heads are not very sensitive to speaker mismatches and will not be damaged by them, except that very low ohmage loads will cause the power tubes to wear faster."

"MIS-MATCHING: When running a higher resistance (for example: 8 ohm output into 16 ohm cabinet), a slightly different feel and response will be eminent. A slight mismatch can provide a darker smoother tone with a little less output and attack. This response is a result of the amplifier running a bit cooler. Sometimes when using more than one cabinet a mismatch will be the only option."

So I get alittle less output from a cranked 100 watt plexi.....win.......darker smoother tone....win for me, others may like brighter...and the amp runs a bit cooler....I'd call that a win....

I'm sure there are cases where I'd be happier with a match....with all my amps so far, I've been happiest with setting the amp at 8 ohms while using a 16 ohm cab. For about 25 years or so with my old Marshalls which are supposed to blow very easily, nothing bad has happened. The sound / feel is better to me, I get good tube life and the amps survived years of 4 hour sets.....don't see anything wrong with that. But I guess that's what dummies do right?

With the old marshall impedance selectors, the less you move them the better. More damage from those getting loose. falling out and intermittent contact.

Now to figure out how those velcro shoes work.

Vintage Fender amps usually tolerate a 100% impedance mismatch either way. So if you have a BF Bassman head with a 4ohm output, you can safely run it at 8ohms or 2ohms. I did find with my bassman head that it sounded congested at 8ohms and preferred it at 4ohms. I am not surprised vintage Marshalls can also tolerate an impedance mismatch. Some of the new Marshall and Fender amps, I would probably stick with matching impedance.

As to the original question, to me when I think Marshall tone, I think of a late 60's Superlead....

 

[srinivassa]

So what is considered the ULTIMATE MARSHALL??

The one with the most skilled player attached to it

V.

+1. It's all in the fingers baby.