Soldano slo 100

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On that ToneTalk episode with Dave Friedman a year or so back, before anyone knew about the switch to BAD, he did say he wanted to make an ‘SLO Mark 2’, that addresses some of the modern use cases. Like said above, mostly the FX loop, but I think an eq per channel might have also been mentioned.

This seems like the perfect time for that. Whatever iron is selected, I trust Mike will pick something good. BAD probably has contacts with various transformer manufacturers, I bet if he wants something custom, he’ll be able to get it.
 
scottosan":2jjmxfur said:
Yes. My friend sold his for $5200 last week
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WOW. That's crazy. Makes me think I might need to sell mine lol
 
- SLO MKII will have new custom transformers
- the main “improvement” will be the fx loop.

I’m more interested in the SLO 30w that’s coming out.
Pre Bad SLO’s will not come down much in price. There will be a 50/50 split among guitarist with half believing the original sounds better and that the MKII doesn’t retain the classic SLO sound. This occurs all the time in the gear world and will be no different here. Gear history has told this story time and time again. Sure, some will prefer the modern “upgrades” but more will prefer the original.
 
nevusofota":1ce64djy said:
- SLO MKII will have new custom transformers
- the main “improvement” will be the fx loop.

I’m more interested in the SLO 30w that’s coming out.
Pre Bad SLO’s will not come down much in price. There will be a 50/50 split among guitarist with half believing the original sounds better and that the MKII doesn’t retain the classic SLO sound. This occurs all the time in the gear world and will be no different here. Gear history has told this story time and time again. Sure, some will prefer the modern “upgrades” but more will prefer the original.
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Yeah, I don´t think the new ones will cause the old ones to go down in price at all, but I do think the old ones will go back to their regular pricing on their own soon enough, when people realize they aren´t all that rare and will still be 99% as available as they were last year. This is for sure the time to sell a SLO, not to buy one.
 
I don't think the original SLO will ever come down in price because there are about 2600 in total. That's a fairly small number. There are about 11000 Minimoog from the original run (71-82) and the price keeps going up despite the numerous reissues/improved versions released later.
 
Well, maybe the price won´t settle all the way back to $2200-2500, and it´s almost certain they will grow pricier again in the long run like any vintage piece, but the jump from $2500 to $5000 literally over a weekend isn´t sustainable and I absolutely think it will go down significantly soon.
 
The vast majority of the time it takes to produce an amp comes from the design phase. One has to wonder what is taking so long for the SLO MKII to be built. It’s been 8 months since the official announcement of the change over to BAD and likely many months longer than that since the deal happened. You would think that a complete prototype would at least be built by now, especially with the vast resources BAD brings to the table. The amp was already near perfect before BAD and the “improved” loop was already in production in the HR25. One would speculate that they might be having difficulty matching the tone which may be due to the new transformers since that should be the only real inherent change in the MKII, or they’re making many changes. Either way this will only keep the resale value of the pre-BAD SLO’s up in the stratosphere.
 
I guess there is a chance it is a SLO transposed onto a platform that BAD prefers and that fits into their production methods, which could mean some re-engineering on top of getting those custom parts dialed in. That´s pure speculation, though, I have no clue if they have confirmed that it will be laid out and built just like the old SLO or not. But yeah, 8 months doesn´t seem so bad, just look at the Synergy module stuff and anything Peavey ever announced.
 
All good points though the examples given were produced from the ground up. The SLO is a classic that you don’t want to mess with. I agree some re-engineering may be needed to streamline mass production but these are the details which will keep the pre-BAD SLO’s resale crazy high.
 
mnemonic":26i6y1gv said:
On that ToneTalk episode with Dave Friedman a year or so back, before anyone knew about the switch to BAD, he did say he wanted to make an ‘SLO Mark 2’, that addresses some of the modern use cases. Like said above, mostly the FX loop, but I think an eq per channel might have also been mentioned.

This seems like the perfect time for that. Whatever iron is selected, I trust Mike will pick something good. BAD probably has contacts with various transformer manufacturers, I bet if he wants something custom, he’ll be able to get it.
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I'm not much of a Mercury transformer fan, they seem to darken the few amps I've owned with them installed. That said, Wizards use Mercury and those amps clearly have a similar 'bloom' at volume when it comes to power and thump, not tone.
I have hope that someone can come up with a good transformer combination.
 
Dave L":3289lva7 said:
Well, maybe the price won´t settle all the way back to $2200-2500, and it´s almost certain they will grow pricier again in the long run like any vintage piece, but the jump from $2500 to $5000 literally over a weekend isn´t sustainable and I absolutely think it will go down significantly soon.
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I'd think that too. However in a totally different area, I watched Porsche 911's jump from ~$20k-30k to double that in a weekend a decade ago. You'd think that wouldn't be sustainable as there have been 300,000 of those built over the years. (Talking only the air cooled 911's here.) However, they've continued to go up in price pretty constantly for this entire time. It doesn't make a lot of sense considering how many of them are around.

A SLO is far more rare than that, and if there are less than 3000 built (surprising to me), I now wouldn't be surprised if the new normal is something akin to that $5k......at least until our generation starts dying off and it's the kids selling things off.
 
rstites":36tth3n4 said:
I'd think that too. However in a totally different area, I watched Porsche 911's jump from ~$20k-30k to double that in a weekend a decade ago. You'd think that wouldn't be sustainable as there have been 300,000 of those built over the years. (Talking only the air cooled 911's here.) However, they've continued to go up in price pretty constantly for this entire time. It doesn't make a lot of sense considering how many of them are around.
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A good restoration of a 911 is expensive. Some people don't know what they buying, so prices are all high. But if you want a 2.2/2.4T or E for a complete restoration, you better don't pay it more the 20-25K, or is better to buy an already perfect car. A bit more for an S, and completely different price for 2.7 RS or RSR.

I think guitar amps are simpler. The only things you need to change are tubes and filter caps, if needed.
 
Luca79":39wimhta said:
A good restoration of a 911 is expensive. Some people don't know what they buying, so prices are all high. But if you want a 2.2/2.4T or E for a complete restoration, you better don't pay it more the 20-25K, or is better to buy an already perfect car. A bit more for an S, and completely different price for 2.7 RS or RSR.

I think guitar amps are simpler. The only things you need to change are tubes and filter caps, if needed.
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That's definitely true. I'm just talking more about what they sell for. For comparison, it costs nearly the same to restore a 914 as the 911's you speak of, but the resale isn't anywhere near the same. Even the rare 2.0's aren't near the same now, though before the 911 inflation they were about 75-80% of the 911. Or, a 1980's 944 Turbo outperforms the 911 by quite a lot and takes just as much to maintain and/or restore, but the 911 will sale for $30-40k while the 944 Turbo sales for about $10k.

Car values aren't really that tightly tied to restoration and/or maintenance costs. Amps and guitars are similar there where lots of classic, collectible instruments are extremely simple. However, I was mostly just noting that prices sometimes shoot way up and just stay there, at least until we have another economic downturn to bring collectible things down a bit in price.
 
2.2-2.4 911's are now into 6 figures - I've got 2 and just finished restoring one and I won't let it go for less that $150K. All the long hood 911's are now highly desirable and wanted, especially in Europe. Many US cars are being shipped to Europe for sale including 914's.

My 2.4 S will run very competitively against a 944 Turbo on a race track and given that the 944 is 14+ years newer it should out perform the old 911.
 
Couple of things:

If BAD uses Onetics for the transformers, they'll be good. Same thing. It is a hifi transformer. No power stage compression. This isn't like a 12000 '68 Plexi where a ton of the compression artifacts are coming from the tranny design. The tranny is super-important, but for the opposite reason that it is an incredibly robust source of unmitigated current introducing ZERO sag.

The loop in the original design DOES matter to the tone. It has the effect of smoothing it out. The circuit could be left in, without an open insert/return (and perhaps a switch to have it engaged). Then put the HR25 loop in. Some people like the uber-raw tone of the amp without the loop, I liked it much better with the loop and something in it.

That's all IMHO.
 
Rdodson":bymecp91 said:
Couple of things:

If BAD uses Onetics for the transformers, they'll be good. Same thing. It is a hifi transformer. No power stage compression. This isn't like a 12000 '68 Plexi where a ton of the compression artifacts are coming from the tranny design. The tranny is super-important, but for the opposite reason that it is an incredibly robust source of unmitigated current introducing ZERO sag.

The loop in the original design DOES matter to the tone. It has the effect of smoothing it out. The circuit could be left in, without an open insert/return (and perhaps a switch to have it engaged). Then put the HR25 loop in. Some people like the uber-raw tone of the amp without the loop, I liked it much better with the loop and something in it.

That's all IMHO.
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It's that Marshall power stage compression that I dig!
 
kirk19":3fn2dls6 said:
But what is up with the crazy prices on old slo's lately. I see them on reverb for 5K plus but are they selling for that ???
Thanks
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Rdodson":yf6tuba0 said:
Couple of things:

If BAD uses Onetics for the transformers, they'll be good. Same thing. It is a hifi transformer. No power stage compression. This isn't like a 12000 '68 Plexi where a ton of the compression artifacts are coming from the tranny design. The tranny is super-important, but for the opposite reason that it is an incredibly robust source of unmitigated current introducing ZERO sag.

The loop in the original design DOES matter to the tone. It has the effect of smoothing it out. The circuit could be left in, without an open insert/return (and perhaps a switch to have it engaged). Then put the HR25 loop in. Some people like the uber-raw tone of the amp without the loop, I liked it much better with the loop and something in it.

That's all IMHO.
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I don't know, I've played a SLO clone with those Onetics and the tone wasn't really very close to my ears. It did not do what any of the 3 SLOs I had did, starting at 1.5 on the master on up. Pretty far apart IMO. Nice amp in its own right but far from a real SLO.
 
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