Something to go in front of an 800 for killer gain?

[maddnotez]

check out this..just posted !

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the devil is in the youtube video details.

Not trying to offend anyone here. I know how you guys love your marshalls and 80's tone but to the OP, this doesn't seem like a good amp for death metal. Maybe it could be dialed in differently but all I hear is 80's tone here and you play death metal.

If your guitarist is playing Death Metal......After hearing this clip I do not think an EQ or a boost is going to solve his problem. He needs to sell that thing and buy a different amp.

If that is not an option, maybe use the clean channel and get a distortion pedal that can handle metal well. Maybe the Randall RG13 or something IDK?

 

[JimmyBlind]

Entombed

 

[mctallica1]

Seriously, this one is a no brainer. DOUBLE BOOST / end thread.

Equalizer in the loop or after the OD, that will give him more than enough. Think of how all those old classic sounds came to be. People got creative and they got results. Oh, and dial back the mid knob on the marshall, scoop it up!

This.

 

[Bob Savage]

Take a look at the Bogner Burnley. It's pricey but it gives a real kick.

 

[Kapo_Polenton]

Take a look at the Bogner Burnley. It's pricey but it gives a real kick.

Seriously Bob? that is the complete opposite of what he would want... big thick and wooly and not gainy enough.If you boost with that thing you will have a wooly mammoth. He wants tight bottom end and some saturation for the chuggas... for people saying Marshalls don't do the trick, how come they work on all the classic albums? It's a mid thing, that is why you have a pot on the mids so you can scoop the shit out of your sound. You can also accomplish this with an eq pedal. no pedal in a box is gonna beat a real amp boosted. Boosted is the metal sound, Marshalls just need a bit more help. No need to run out and buy a 5150.

 

[dirtyfunkg]

I've tried and have had great results with the Digitech Bad Monkey OD. Also have heard it record very well for heavier sounds through single channel MV Marshalls. It would be worth a demo. Do the Guitar Center 30 day return policy if it doesn't work out for you.

 

[Bob Savage]

Seriously Bob? that is the complete opposite of what he would want... big thick and wooly and not gainy enough.If you boost with that thing you will have a wooly mammoth. He wants tight bottom end and some saturation for the chuggas... for people saying Marshalls don't do the trick, how come they work on all the classic albums? It's a mid thing, that is why you have a pot on the mids so you can scoop the shit out of your sound. You can also accomplish this with an eq pedal. no pedal in a box is gonna beat a real amp boosted. Boosted is the metal sound, Marshalls just need a bit more help. No need to run out and buy a 5150.

Dude, you're teaching people what's up here. I can smell it.

That said, I did miss his price range.

 

[Kapo_Polenton]

Seriously Bob? that is the complete opposite of what he would want... big thick and wooly and not gainy enough.If you boost with that thing you will have a wooly mammoth. He wants tight bottom end and some saturation for the chuggas... for people saying Marshalls don't do the trick, how come they work on all the classic albums? It's a mid thing, that is why you have a pot on the mids so you can scoop the shit out of your sound. You can also accomplish this with an eq pedal. no pedal in a box is gonna beat a real amp boosted. Boosted is the metal sound, Marshalls just need a bit more help. No need to run out and buy a 5150.

Dude, you're teaching people what's up here. I can smell it.

That said, I did miss his price range.

Two can play the sarcasm game ..but i prefer to let my teachings continue to show you the light.. you need to come out of the dark sometime right? .

 

[Bob Savage]

Two can play the sarcasm game ..but i prefer to let my teachings continue to show you the light.. you need to come out of the dark sometime right? .

Right, because tone is objective.

 

[Shawn Lutz]

I don't care what he wants -- he needs a Boss SD1 (the yellow one) not a Boss DS1

 

[Bob Savage]

I think he needs a treble booster. That's all.

 

[maddnotez]

Take a look at the Bogner Burnley. It's pricey but it gives a real kick.

for people saying Marshalls don't do the trick, how come they work on all the classic albums? .

What classic albums do you speak of??

Slayer is not really Death Metal.

There are essentially very few Death Metal bands that use Marshall amps as far as I know even the classics.

The only classic death metal band that I can even think of that used one is Obituary and they combined them with 5150's. Also from what I read most of the players who used that amp had them modded Soldano style.

I was not saying it is impossible because it is and I am sure a few DM bands may have used a Marshall. Lasse has a clip with the JCM800 with 6550's and a maxon OD820 and it sounds killer.

But IMO that amp is absolutely geared towards an 80's metal sound and most Death Metal bands use ultra high gain and compressed sounding amps.

Carcass = 5150

Entomed = Peavey

Pestilence = Engl

Suffocation = ampeg

Cannibal Corpse = Crate

Dying Fetus = Ampeg

Some of these bands are still together and do not use Marshalls.

Was just a suggestion anyhow.

 

[mchn13]

I don't care what he wants -- he needs a Boss SD1 (the yellow one) not a Boss DS1

For real though, a set of hot pups and an sd-1 will get you there. I played a charvel with blackouts, jcm800 unmodded, tuned to b-standard. Bossted with an sd-1. Most of us clean boost with these pedals, but it has a dirt knob.. Use it. Instant carcass tone. Cut harder than my 5150, and had more punch. Had to be loud tho. The 5150 could do it at a lower volume..

Steve

 

[Kapo_Polenton]

Two can play the sarcasm game ..but i prefer to let my teachings continue to show you the light.. you need to come out of the dark sometime right? .

Right, because tone is objective.

YES!

SD-1 will def work as well. If he needs a little extra juice for leads..... double boost. In case anyone is unclear as to what I have been saying, what I am saying is to double boost. Bob is that clear?

 

[Crunchtime]

Take a look at the Bogner Burnley. It's pricey but it gives a real kick.

for people saying Marshalls don't do the trick, how come they work on all the classic albums? .

What classic albums do you speak of??

Slayer is not really Death Metal.

There are essentially very few Death Metal bands that use Marshall amps as far as I know even the classics.

The only classic death metal band that I can even think of that used one is Obituary and they combined them with 5150's. Also from what I read most of the players who used that amp had them modded Soldano style.

I was not saying it is impossible because it is and I am sure a few DM bands may have used a Marshall. Lasse has a clip with the JCM800 with 6550's and a maxon OD820 and it sounds killer.

But IMO that amp is absolutely geared towards an 80's metal sound and most Death Metal bands use ultra high gain and compressed sounding amps.

Carcass = 5150

Entomed = Peavey

Pestilence = Engl

Suffocation = ampeg

Cannibal Corpse = Crate

Dying Fetus = Ampeg

Some of these bands are still together and do not use Marshalls.

Was just a suggestion anyhow.

I'm not a Death Metal or Marshall expert but, what about Nile? Are they Death Metal?

 

[Shiny_Surface]

Just my opinion, stack that OD-1 with an EQ up front. He might also have to add a noise gate after them to quiet it down.

For Death Metal if he doesn't want to double boost/stack, try a Boss MT-2 set as a clean boost. Sounds crazy, but it's used to boost Rectifiers in some Death Metal bands.

 

[Kapo_Polenton]

Dropped tuning also goes a long way in getting THAT sound let's not forget.

 

[maddnotez]

Take a look at the Bogner Burnley. It's pricey but it gives a real kick.

for people saying Marshalls don't do the trick, how come they work on all the classic albums? .

What classic albums do you speak of??

Slayer is not really Death Metal.

There are essentially very few Death Metal bands that use Marshall amps as far as I know even the classics.

The only classic death metal band that I can even think of that used one is Obituary and they combined them with 5150's. Also from what I read most of the players who used that amp had them modded Soldano style.

I was not saying it is impossible because it is and I am sure a few DM bands may have used a Marshall. Lasse has a clip with the JCM800 with 6550's and a maxon OD820 and it sounds killer.

But IMO that amp is absolutely geared towards an 80's metal sound and most Death Metal bands use ultra high gain and compressed sounding amps.

Carcass = 5150

Entomed = Peavey

Pestilence = Engl

Suffocation = ampeg

Cannibal Corpse = Crate

Dying Fetus = Ampeg

Some of these bands are still together and do not use Marshalls.

Was just a suggestion anyhow.

I'm not a Death Metal or Marshall expert but, what about Nile? Are they Death Metal?

Yeah, but Nile's tone is horrible

They use JCM 2000 and DSL 100 for live use and Splawn's for personal and studio.

So. I probably should not have said anything at all.

Is what it is, ok sure a few guys use Marshalls but the vast majority of death metal bands do not is all I was saying.

Get some 6550's and the Maxon 820 and call it a day if that floats your boat.

 

[skoora]

A lot of Death Metal sounds are not all that tight and can be almost sludgy at times. Honestly any decent wattage amp that breaks ups a bit will do then use pedals. I could easily do DM with an 800 and the right pedal.

 

[timeroo]

I grabbed him a joyo ultimate drive and he already has an MXR 10 band he's gonna give those two a shot and see what happens. There's a few pedals on the local CL like a green screamer, bad monkey and SD1 that can be had if the joyo doesn't work out.