Stereo Amp Setup .. HELP!!!!

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shimmilou":ouc7y0mh said:
Are you saying that you can turn the volume knob of the Egnater all the way to zero (fully CCW), so that strumming the guitar results in no sound at all from the Egnater, and yet at the same time you still hear the guitar sound through the second amp at the same level as it was before turning down the Egnater? And are you also saying that when you turn up the volume on the Egnater, the second amp does not get louder? Is the Egnater loop switched on? The Egnater loop has to be switched on.

YES! Exactly! There is not a loop switch on the Egnater, I know the Effects loop is working because i used it before the 2nd amp. I have always used the nova through the effects loop and it works fine, I'm just bringing in this 2nd amp in the chain. The Raven amp seems to be at some sort of set volume even when the Nova is on 0. So say My Egnater is at level 5 and the Nova is at 0 for R and L outs .... The raven is the 2nd amp and is crazy loud! I go into the Nova and turn down the R level to like -45 and then they are about equal volume .... Then.... If i turn the Egnater up or down, the level does not change on the Raven amp. I then have to to into the Nova again and mess with the -45 R to bring it up or down to level out the 2 amps. There is no loop switch on the Egnater.[/b][/color]

If you have sound from the second amp with the Egnater volume knob turned all the way down, then the level of output from the Nova to the second amp is set too high. I can turn up the output level on my POD very loud, and there is some bleed through from the Egnater with volume knob at zero, but no way I can use it at that level, way too hot when the Egnater volume is turned up. From what you posted, the "volume" on the Nova can be used to get a balance between the two amps. Start with the Egnater at a low volume, adjust the Nova to get the same volume on the second amp. Then, the Egnater volume knob should act as a master volume.

That's what everyone says but when I get the volumes identical, as soon as I change the Egnater volume, the Raven never changes unless I change the R out in the Nova.[/b]

In my setup (for now) which is the same type of setup as yours, Twkr 40 and HRDlx run from a POD (instead of a Nova) with left and right outputs, the Egnater volume knob controls the loudness of both amps at the same time. I don't have (or can't find) any adjustment on the POD to change the level of its L and R outputs independently, so the HRDlx is a little louder than the Twkr. As you posted, your Nova has independent level for its outputs, so you should have some balance control.

Do you think there is some sort of setting in the Nova that I need to adjust than the normal setting? I have tried PEDAL, each volume, etc... Still the same thing...

Maybe I am the one that's missing something here? I really would like to have some Egnater schematics :cry:

Maybe Bruce or Ian has some idea of what the problem is. The only other thing that I can think of is that the Renegade has some unique type of loop in which the "Send" is taken off before the volume and other controls? :confused:

Its possible, but it appears no one else really seems to have this issue, the only think I can think of that i don't know if i have tried is just switching the right and left output cables... I don't think that will matter, but I have tried so many setups, I forget what I have tried so far ... I guess its worth a shot[/b]
 
Yes, won't hurt to try swapping L and R. Try that first.

The loop is switched via the foot switch, so if the foot switch isn't plugged into the amp, the loop is "on" if you use it.

Let's bypass the Nova completely for a minute, disconnect all loop cables from the Egnater and Raven loops.

Connect guitar to Egnater input jack, and connect Egnater loop "Send" directly to the Raven loop "Return". One amp might be louder than the other, but the Egnater should be the master volume for both amps.

Edit:
To be sure, are you adjusting the "Volume" knob or the "Main" knob for volume adjust on the Egnater? I could see the "Main" being after the loop and not affecting the output level to the loop, so I'm thinking that the "Volume" knob is the one to adjust so that the Egnater acts as master volume. Not sure, but it makes sense. That would explain things, and the Nova should still work. If you haven't disconnected anything yet, try adjusting the "Volume" and not the "Main", if that is what you are doing.
 
Those are some really good suggestions ... I will try these steps tonight. You are right I have only used the MAIN not the volume for each channel. I will try those as well.... I will let you know the results after tonight.

Thanks again for all the suggestions.
 
Ok I'm back ... I am no further along than before ... Here's what i tried...

1. Bypassed the Nova completely ... plugged the Egnater Send to the Raven Return no sound at all out of the raven just a weird hum ...

2. Put the nova back in play and switched the L and R ... Didnt work at all, almost muted both ... went back to R and L the way I had it before and it worked again with the Raven volume only being able to be controlled by the nova R.

3. NOW here is something a little different ... I tried the volume on the first channel of the Egnater to see if that would be the volume for both and that seemed to boost the raven a little but nothing usable. now when i turn down that volume, both go down. But i nee the ooposite. When i crank it, the volume is very distorted ut of both amps and very very low. Then i have to use the main again and that comes into the first problem I had. Using the nova to boost the raven again.

So I'm back to my first setup with having to use the volume from the nova to switch the raven. This will only be a huge problem if i play out and a sound guys makes me turn down or up... then i have to use the nova to find the balance of the 2 volumes again....

I thank you guys for all your help but it looks like i am stuck and not going to work like everyone's else does. I dont understand it. Maybe an Egnater to an Egnater will work like I want it to but who knows when I can afford that .....

If anyone thinks of anything else please do let me know ....
 
dieselmx":1txxa031 said:
... I tried the volume on the first channel of the Egnater to see if that would be the volume for both and that seemed to boost the raven a little but nothing usable. now when i turn down that volume, both go down....

That shows that it is working when you use the "Volume" for the selected channel on the Egnater , and now I think that it is just a matter of getting your Nova setup properly for both amps. There are lot's of settings on the Nova, and the pre and post levels need to be set, and quite possibly some other settings also. If you are as unfamiliar with the myriad of settings on the Nova as I am, then contact TC Electronics for help in setting it up. At this point it seems clear to me that setting up the Nova is the answer.
 
I agree ... Thanks for all the help guys .... That was a full 2 weeks of troubleshooting ... good to know this board is very helpful. You guys rock!
 
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