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Copperhead
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Bob Savage":3pusytmm said:
It's splinteroticism - he's got wood for the wood!
It's splinteroticism - he's got wood for the wood!
JTyson
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Bob Savage":ngdys1i3 said:
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bbp
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SgtThump":3791d1zm said:
Except the guy who cut the power when Hendrix did one of his shows in Stockholm, Sweden.
Bob Savage
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SgtThump":3dxq8pm9 said:
Hendrix should have lost the fluffy shirts, bell bottomed girl pants, guitar humping, lighting fires, guitar smashing, silly effects and fuzz pedals and just sat on a stool playing acoustic blues. It would have been far more jamerific that way.
ttosh
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Bob Savage":3ik6aif2 said:
I think I see where you are heading here, and I agree 100%
mentoneman
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Bob Savage":1kh9fd3g said:
it's something entirely different to do that in the late 60s when you are a black man in an era when civil rights were still in infancy, so in essence you are blowing the lid off of every conventional approach to music and stage performance, as well as making a huge impact on culture in general,
coupled with the fact that people actually dressed that way due to being a contemporary fashion,
and seal the deal with the fact that hendrix exuded cool and redirected playing styles, and garnished accolades from his peers who were until then the reigning legends on the guitar.
the simple fact of the matter is that you and many other players here are vai fans and i am not, and i'm gonna go out on a limb and say it is due to our different levels of experience.
mentoneman
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carlygtr56":1ixyibrv said:I been around awhile
That vid posted is of one over the top tune. The whole show wasn't that.
The guy just puts on a show and has some great tunes.
It's not "watch my fingers and various flash tricks" for a few shred dorks.
i actually thought the vid you posted was one of the better ones i've seen of him...
JTyson
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+1SgtThump":3rsh8qmx said:
mentoneman
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SgtThump":212v2qtz said:
be careful-
think about what i'm saying.
experience doesn't have to mean playing experience...it can also mean what musical moments i have been exposed to.
thngs like seeing holdswoth 7 times, or racer x 5 times in their prime,
or dimeola/delucia/mclaughlin/morse,
or sitting with a violinist who can rip out any of paganini's caprices by memory,
or seing shawn lane in a tent at NAMM,
or film guthrie or rob marcello or greg howe for a video,
or sharing a piano bench with stevie wonder as he blazes classical music for 10 minutes.
little things like that.
those kinds of experiences
peaveyT60
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SgtThump":3f843yee said:
he's not just merely humping it, he's riding it, cowgirl style.
also, he plays better with his boots than me with my hands.......
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cloudnine
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No offense to anyone that liked it but that middle section was embarrassingly shitty. In fact, for Vai, that whole thing was weak as hell.
mentoneman
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JTyson":3u4zt352 said:+1SgtThump":3u4zt352 said:
nothing to be confused about.
look guys like mark K., chubtone, 70strathead, van hellion, kagey, ralph, flyingangus, alex fluoros, mondoslug, scott l., zachman, rockstah, john p, carl, eddie d,
these are guys that have chops and tone that make me sit up and take notice, and add clout to their words because of who there are as players.
so if one of them says check out this vai moment that rocks, i pay attention, even though i may ultimately disagree.
but to say everything vai does is gold is not realistic.
like if someone comes up to you and says sesame street is their favorite tv show, you start questioning their decision making skills and life experience.
70strathead
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SgtThump":3rfjziju said:
If thats an intentional nod to Hendrix, then Stevie needs to stick to Salamanders in the Sun. completely different in all aspects and intentions. not saying that Vai is not creative, i consider one the most original musician/guitarist out there, but he might as well do a floyd rose clinic and call it a day when he gets into that "wierd" mode. Everyone respected Jimi cause not only was he a walking creative genius but the just radiated coolness like no other, thats why no one could make fun of him. I still get goose bumps when i hear the intro to Wild thing at Monterey Fest...that one whaling feedback note out of nowhere and perfect whammy control! its also just way cooler IMO when your doing that kinda stuff on a strat with no floyds with cranked Marshalls..even EVH did that stuff in the early days and Blackmore took it in a really cool place too.
Digital Jams
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mentoneman":glom71ce said:
I knew where Pat was coming from and for guys like me he has a valid point, I have not seen the things that Pat has and to this day I laugh my ass off when he was explaining what he saw when Poison was getting ready for a show and liking the experience to watching Gorillas in the Mist with the Aquanet flying
In regards to some tone searches and fx questions Pat is on my short lists of who to holla to. I have been to TM and saw Godin, Nix, and Ed D. put on a monsterous show so I understand where he is coming from....of course I was drinking beer while virgins poured Pat's vintage aged grapes But dont let Pat fool you with his "over it" stuff and his soapbox rants of fine wine and uber rare woods that were harvested by the removal of 3rd world country persons....I saw him waiting for Gilbert and Bruce at the Viper and he looked like a 16 year old girl in the backseat of a 1970 Dodge Fury III on prom night he was so stoked for the 80s shred
I know if he was at Zep's house that one night he would have slung an 80s neon superstrat and would have loved every minute of it 
King Crimson
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Bob Savage":30moyd7i said:
unf----ingbeliveable - ..one banana, two banana, three banana pie...
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mentoneman":16syt10x said:
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that it's due to our different levels of understanding subjectivity and difference in taste. I have no desire to insult others because they dislike something I do not, whether or not I understand why they like it.
Bob Savage
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mentoneman":3lvlxore said:
I don't think anybody is really confused about what you're saying. Perhaps taken back by it, but confused, probably not.
Nigel Tufnel
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This clip is Vai at his best imo. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yw74sDWPH7U
I dunno if it's the sweet ass mullet adding the mojo to this one or what but I could care less if he was sporting hot pink dangly earrings and dry humping the wangcaster during this performance. That shit would still make me want to give up playing, motherfucker is supernatural on this one.
I dunno if it's the sweet ass mullet adding the mojo to this one or what but I could care less if he was sporting hot pink dangly earrings and dry humping the wangcaster during this performance. That shit would still make me want to give up playing, motherfucker is supernatural on this one.
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mentoneman":aihy8phb said:
So... let me get this straight. You know better because of these experiences and if we had these experiences we'd KNOW that Vai sucked as well? Pfffffft.... Your main complaints about Vai that I see have more to do with his choices in theatrics, clothing, lighting and fans blowing his hair than anything musical anyway....
Dude - I've seen and heard as much or more than you have and I still consider Vai an extremely entertaining genius.
This attitude of yours is offensive. I don't care whether you like or make fun of Vai or not, but patting me on the head and telling me that if I were more "experienced" I'd understand is condescending, MASSIVELY pompous and ill-informed...
I look forward to your heartfelt apology...
Steve
degenaro
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I'll toss my unsolicited 2 cents in...
I became a huge Vai fan when I heard the soud page with Attitude Song in GP mag right before he joined Alcatrazz. As a matter of fact I though Flex-Able was one of the coolest things I've ever heard this side of Axis or Band Of Gypsies.
That said starting with Passion And Warfare I started to feel very much like Pat about Vai. And my big bitch was that I thought everything was worked out. Fast forward to December 2 years ago when I saw him with Zappa Plays Zappa....yeah he still acts like he's Diana Ross on stage...but the audience eats it up. His playing with ZPZ was so shit hit it wasn't even funny. My advice for any one not hating Vai..get that DVD.
I became a huge Vai fan when I heard the soud page with Attitude Song in GP mag right before he joined Alcatrazz. As a matter of fact I though Flex-Able was one of the coolest things I've ever heard this side of Axis or Band Of Gypsies.
That said starting with Passion And Warfare I started to feel very much like Pat about Vai. And my big bitch was that I thought everything was worked out. Fast forward to December 2 years ago when I saw him with Zappa Plays Zappa....yeah he still acts like he's Diana Ross on stage...but the audience eats it up. His playing with ZPZ was so shit hit it wasn't even funny. My advice for any one not hating Vai..get that DVD.