Suhr pricing

[Tone Zone]

How are their prices fucked? They're a relatively small company. They aren't pumping out hundreds of guitars every day like Gibson.

Exactly. This coming from "lespaul6"? Uh, Gibson prices are fucked. When you consider what you get from both companies. I got an LP recently during the Gibson Blowout of 2013. That's the ONLY time I'd purchase one, because I'd never pay what they normally want. Suhr prices are actually quite fair in their given market. Part of what you're paying for is their EXCELLENT customer service. Not to mention, their products are extremely well made. And, you pay for the flexibility of having your own custom options. Their prices are comparable to any other high-end custom builder. 2014 Gibson Traditionals are $2,399. And, you wanna talk about Gibson Historic models....R7's, R8's, R9's......pleeease.

 

[lespaul6]

I also agree that gibson prices are fucked.... lol but this is a suhr thread so...

 

[JimmyBlind]

I'm not sure what basis you say that. You may as well say that all guitar prices are fucked.

 

[paulyc]

They are. But amp prices (at least from boutique builders) are worse...and worse yet are "rack guys" like Bradshaw who I think overcharge completely for what they do.

 

[RG955TT]

You get what you pay for. I don't find Suhr prices any more than any other high end builder and the Pro series is an especially good value at just over $2k (I have 3 of these and 2 customs). With Fender American vintage strats at $2300 and custom shops especially relics at $4k plus and we all know Gibson Les Paul prices how can anyone say with any degree of credibility that Suhrs prices are fucked? Handmade and US made shit is expensive these days, period! If you cant swing it fine, plenty of other alternatives made in other places.

 

[Metlupass2]

I just bought that Satin Modern from Eddies Guitars. I couldn't stop thinking about it.


Now I have to decide what to sell..... I hate that part.

 

[lespaul6]

They are. But amp prices (at least from boutique builders) are worse...and worse yet are "rack guys" like Bradshaw who I think overcharge completely for what they do.

Agreed, I just don't think the materials and labour support the prices in some cases that is all... not trying to persuade anyone- just a simple statement of opinion fwiw...

 

[Deleted member 13074]

What you are seeing IMO (dealer difference/eBay bargain aside) is the difference between an off-the-peg suit and a tailor-made one, to use a comparison.
The Custom has been spec'd out by the dealer/customer in every detail and the Pro Series is as it comes, the spec the same for a big batch.
It is very labor intensive to do a custom build, and the time as well as the specs necessarily up the ante.
All made in the same facility, so not as big a price jump as between a Charvel Pro Mod and Custom Series, for example.
You'll get the same build quality on either model, so if the Pro Series fits your needs you are in good shape.

I recall some boutique builders telling of QC issues with the original Floyds, and they found the quality they desired with the Gotoh. I wouldn't be surprised to find the cost higher for the Gotoh.

 

[Shawn Lutz]

What you are seeing IMO (dealer difference/eBay bargain aside) is the difference between an off-the-peg suit and a tailor-made one, to use a comparison.
The Custom has been spec'd out by the dealer/customer in every detail and the Pro Series is as it comes, the spec the same for a big batch.
It is very labor intensive to do a custom build, and the time as well as the specs necessarily up the ante.
All made in the same facility, so not as big a price jump as between a Charvel Pro Mod and Custom Series, for example.
You'll get the same build quality on either model, so if the Pro Series fits your needs you are in good shape.

I recall some boutique builders telling of QC issues with the original Floyds, and they found the quality they desired with the Gotoh. I wouldn't be surprised to find the cost higher for the Gotoh.

They are using OFR's again because they revisited them and found them up to par again (meaning they used the Gotoh deal to go back and beat up Floyd for a better volume pricing)

Change one single thing from a production model it becomes a custom shop build. Custom shop typically requires more time to build vs. assembly line where every piece is a standard build.

I don't think their prices are out of whack for custom builds myself. If its not worth it to you don't pay it. Same said for Gibson CS's or Charvel CS's etc.

 

[flash6969]

Yeah

 

[Metlupass2]

So would it be wrong to have this guitar refinished? I want to do it white and change the hardware to black.

 

[Drkorey]

So would it be wrong to have this guitar refinished? I want to do it white and change the hardware to black.

hell no man - go for it, should look bad ass!

 

[Metlupass2]

I figure its cheaper to go this route than full custom.

 

[Drkorey]

I figure its cheaper to go this route than full custom.

absolutely

 

[Suhr]

When did Suhr start using Original Floyd Rose bridges? John has always said the Gotohs were superior and he stopped using the OFR bridges due to quality issues...

I never got that Gotoh thing...they're cheap pieces of crap compared to an Original Floyd.

They are good trems but my guess is Suhr uses them because they got a better bulk deal on them which helps increase profit margins. Some will believe anything...if John Suhr said the sun sets in the north the fanbois would not question it and accept it as fact

the Gotoh costs me more actually. The quality is consistent I like the tone, we have had far fewer problems with them and I far prefer the Gotoh arm setup, it smokes the OFR. Ironically the 7 string is very nice, maybe newer less worn out tooling. I also heard Floyd is revamping the tooling so hopefully they will come back to their glory.

As far as the cost of those two guitars. We price the guitars only adding the profit we need to make to be a growing company. Pricing is determined by calculating costs and overhead, nothing gets inflated. My guess without seeing the spec sheet is the Custom is a different species of Mahogany, it also has a roasted maple neck and not a Mahogany neck. I'm sure there are many other differences but the non custom orders go through the shop much quicker and require less than 1/2 the man hours of taking the order, no changes to the order either. The pro series are the deal of the century. There are many reasons these two guitars would not end up costing the same but the playability is even across the models

 

[Suhr]

So would it be wrong to have this guitar refinished? I want to do it white and change the hardware to black.

hell no man - go for it, should look bad ass!

You would void the warranty in regards to any work that isn't done by us, so be careful !

 

[Metlupass2]

Yeah I know. I'm not going to do anything right now. I sent you a PM on TGP regarding the finish on the back of the neck.

 

[Shawn Lutz]

When did Suhr start using Original Floyd Rose bridges? John has always said the Gotohs were superior and he stopped using the OFR bridges due to quality issues...

I never got that Gotoh thing...they're cheap pieces of crap compared to an Original Floyd.

They are good trems but my guess is Suhr uses them because they got a better bulk deal on them which helps increase profit margins. Some will believe anything...if John Suhr said the sun sets in the north the fanbois would not question it and accept it as fact

the Gotoh costs me more actually. The quality is consistent I like the tone, we have had far fewer problems with them and I far prefer the Gotoh arm setup, it smokes the OFR. Ironically the 7 string is very nice, maybe newer less worn out tooling. I also heard Floyd is revamping the tooling so hopefully they will come back to their glory.

As far as the cost of those two guitars. We price the guitars only adding the profit we need to make to be a growing company. Pricing is determined by calculating costs and overhead, nothing gets inflated. My guess without seeing the spec sheet is the Custom is a different species of Mahogany, it also has a roasted maple neck and not a Mahogany neck. I'm sure there are many other differences but the non custom orders go through the shop much quicker and require less than 1/2 the man hours of taking the order, no changes to the order either. The pro series are the deal of the century. There are many reasons these two guitars would not end up costing the same but the playability is even across the models

Well, there you have it. Straight from the horses mouth! Thanks for the clarity on the subject.

 

[Deleted member 13074]

Well, there you have it. Straight from the horses mouth! Thanks for the clarity on the subject.

No doubt John would like to thank you too, for the misinformation and slander.

They are good trems but my guess is Suhr uses them because they got a better bulk deal on them which helps increase profit margins. Some will believe anything...if John Suhr said the sun sets in the north the fanbois would not question it and accept it as fact

They are using OFR's again because they revisited them and found them up to par again (meaning they used the Gotoh deal to go back and beat up Floyd for a better volume pricing)

 

[JimmyBlind]

Ouch!