The great Floyd Rose Big-Block Shootout.

[jhale667]

Fair enough. This is just a difference of opinion. I care little about any "minority" barbs. I re-watched the video, and yes there is a mild difference, but I didn't totally prefer it, and that is the sort of thing that can be achieved a variety of ways (EQ, pedals, etc.)

You have stated before that you aren't familiar with the Edge system, but it is not a quick enough switch. You have to remove the most of the intonation saddles to get to the base plate to remove the old block, and unless you photographed the intonation settings, you have to re-intonate the guitar. Even if it took 5 minutes to install, 5 minutes to intonate, and 5 minutes to restring, that is not quick enough for me. That's a low estimate, obviously, it's more like 10 10 and 15, but I digress.

I can't stress enough that people who agonize over these little details are subtracting time away from playing.

Again, subtracting mere MINUTES, if you know what you're doing. So let's stop with that "barb", too. If you can't spare 15 minutes, it may not be for you. EQ pedals and the other means you suggest would also COLOR your signal, not a route some want to go. I'd rather have a fatter tone to start with than have to start boosting frequencies after the fact, but that's me.

While I may not have taken apart an Edge, it's true - I've sold and seen enough to know your premise is flawed - since you just described the exact same process by which you change the block on a Floyd. The Edge is a Floyd-licensed unit, it's not all THAT different, let's be real. Nor could it be that much harder to deal with.

What I'd suggest is watching the tutorials on the FU YouTube channel, they offer tricks that will drastically reduce the time and hassle you're obviously having with not only block switches, but trem set ups in general. Not EVEN bagging on you here, sounds like you'd genuinely find them beneficial.

 

[jhale667]

It was a Charvel Socal just like the guy in the GW video except a white one, alder body with maple neck and an OFR , not the cheaper stock Korean one. With the standard block, tone was more open, no piercing highs, no exaggerated bottom end. With the 37mm brass block, the highs were just piercing, the bottom end was too enhanced and I actually thought my tone was more compressed. Also, I didn't like the fact that I lost all my pull back action as well, not as important but that's what a Floyd is for!

Thanks for the info, but....
Do whut? "Piercing" highs - with a BRASS block? No kidding? That's a first right there! I can see someone possibly not liking the low-end enhancement, but I've never heard anyone say that about the highs...most say it warms them up...interesting.

 

[moltenmetalburn]

...has ANYONE tried one of the Tungsten blocks that can chime in?

I was interested, but I'm not going to spend just about as much on a block as it costs to buy a whole new OFR. I don't find a stock OFR thin, never have. The brass blocks are OK to experiment with considering the price but as as stated before, it wasn't an OH MY GOD experience with me.

The cost issue is a totally legitimate point, can't fault anyone for that! I'm interested to hear one too, but like you can't drop for more blocks at the minute. Hopefully someone will eventually get around to trying one and posting about it.

You didn't answer my question when you originally stated you went back to the stock, though, and I wish you would, 'cause I'm still curious (!) - what kind of guitar was it that you tried it in? What wood was the body made of? You and one guy at another forum are literally the ONLY two people I've heard from that prefer the standard, so let's hear details!

It was a Charvel Socal just like the guy in the GW video except a white one, alder body with maple neck and an OFR , not the cheaper stock Korean one. With the standard block, tone was more open, no piercing highs, no exaggerated bottom end. With the 37mm brass block, the highs were just piercing, the bottom end was too enhanced and I actually thought my tone was more compressed. Also, I didn't like the fact that I lost all my pull back action as well, not as important but that's what a Floyd is for!

Hey man off topic, I was at a local restaurant the other night and pickup up a business card on the way out because it was familiar.

I couldn't place it at the time but its from the company in your SIG finnochio guitars. tell me about them they are 20 min from me...

do you have one? is it awesome?

sorry to slightly derail the thread.

 

[jhale667]

Tone is a preference, not everyone will like what these "enhancements" do to whatever you already have and like.

True, tone is completely subjective. But it seems most people seem to prefer the enhancements. Obviously, some won't.
And the cavity modification issue is precisely why I stayed away from the Performance blocks, actually!

One more question, though: You say you like that the 42mm limited your trem travel (as desired in that case), but did you perceive any improvement of the tone of that particular instrument? And since you mention you previously used Performance blocks, any difference in tone between them and the FU block that you remember? Both are bell-brass, so imagining they'd be similar...

 

[Ethn Hayabusa]

Again, subtracting mere MINUTES, if you know what you're doing. So let's stop with that "barb", too. If you can't spare 15 minutes, it may not be for you. EQ pedals and the other means you suggest would also COLOR your signal, not a route some want to go. I'd rather have a fatter tone to start with than have to start boosting frequencies after the fact, but that's me.

While I may not have taken apart an Edge, it's true - I've sold and seen enough to know your premise is flawed - since you just described the exact same process by which you change the block on a Floyd. The Edge is a Floyd-licensed unit, it's not all THAT different, let's be real. Nor could it be that much harder to deal with.

What I'd suggest is watching the tutorials on the FU YouTube channel, they offer tricks that will drastically reduce the time and hassle you're obviously having with not only block switches, but trem set ups in general. Not EVEN bagging on you here, sounds like you'd genuinely find them beneficial.

Factoring in string change and intonation, it's nowhere a 15 minute job from start to completion. I also was not suggesting a new EQ pedal, but simply altering settings on whatever items a person may have inline.

This is benefiting no one. This back and forth is probably a victim to the limitations of the medium we are in, the internet forum. I know exactly what I'm doing, we just don't agree on this subject, and it's best to leave it at that without all of the drama.

If this conversation were happening face to face, I think you would be able to tell that I'm not a novice on these topics, and I'm also not looking for pointers on anything. I was merely attempting to state a contrary opinion.

I don't think this has a positive conclusion if we continue on in this matter, so I'm going to bow out. I don't feel there is anything to gain by either of us continuing on with this discussion.

 

[Thedarkone101]

Dam Jay you cant seem to get any love in here! I appreciate what you have done and glad we found each other through Facebook, which btw, it doesnt take much of a detective to realize Jay is using his real name as does Adam. QUick search proves they are 2 different people.. Yeah of course I suppose Adam could be pretending to be Jay, but it would be a awful long way to go, creating all those Jay Hale profiles, fake pics etc for a little forum fun..

And yes, in case anyone is wondering, Im Jays internet friend as well as a real friend of Adam's. Honestly its pretty hard not to be Adams friend as he is one of the nicest guys around and awesome to talk shop with..And it looks like Jay is the same way.

And for the record, a 15 minute block swap with strings change and intonation is totally possible. I cant do it, but could get it done in 30. Adam on the other hand can and has many times. Ive seen him do it.. and no, i dont have proof(yet, but ya got me thinkin a vid may be in order!)..

Dave

 

[OldSkoolNJ]

Dam Jay you cant seem to get any love in here! I appreciate what you have done and glad we found each other through Facebook, which btw, it doesnt take much of a detective to realize Jay is using his real name as does Adam. QUick search proves they are 2 different people.. Yeah of course I suppose Adam could be pretending to be Jay, but it would be a awful long way to go, creating all those Jay Hale profiles, fake pics etc for a little forum fun..

And yes, in case anyone is wondering, Im Jays internet friend as well as a real friend of Adam's. Honestly its pretty hard not to be Adams friend as he is one of the nicest guys around and awesome to talk shop with..And it looks like Jay is the same way.

And for the record, a 15 minute block swap with strings change and intonation is totally possible. I cant do it, but could get it done in 30. Adam on the other hand can and has many times. Ive seen him do it.. and no, i dont have proof(yet, but ya got me thinkin a vid may be in order!)..

Dave

Interesting post history you have going on there, the honesty is appreciated though..

 

[jhale667]

Dam Jay you cant seem to get any love in here! I appreciate what you have done and glad we found each other through Facebook, which btw, it doesnt take much of a detective to realize Jay is using his real name as does Adam. QUick search proves they are 2 different people.. Yeah of course I suppose Adam could be pretending to be Jay, but it would be a awful long way to go, creating all those Jay Hale profiles, fake pics etc for a little forum fun..

And yes, in case anyone is wondering, Im Jays internet friend as well as a real friend of Adam's. Honestly its pretty hard not to be Adams friend as he is one of the nicest guys around and awesome to talk shop with..And it looks like Jay is the same way.

And for the record, a 15 minute block swap with strings change and intonation is totally possible. I cant do it, but could get it done in 30. Adam on the other hand can and has many times. Ive seen him do it.. and no, i dont have proof(yet, but ya got me thinkin a vid may be in order!)..

Dave

Thanks, Dave. And welcome (since probably no one else will say it).

Yeah, the "Is Jay Adam" thing cracked me the hell up, too...


But isn't it interesting I got accused of being "defensive" then someone else basically said "I'm taking my toys and going home!" because I respond to the negative posts??? LOL. Also classic, the assertion that contemplating hardware changes such as these and "agonizing over details" deducts playing time - but c'mon by that logic, doesn't posting on a web-forum, too?

As for the block/string-change/set-up - takes me about 20 mins if I'm hauling ass... One of the pro guitarists I teched for can set up and intonate a Floyd - we're talking starting with all the strings off, bridge not even blocked, so he has to re-adjust the spring-tension, too - so fast it would make your head spin (he was superstitious and wouldn't let anyone else do his re-strings, but I learned a TON watching him). Not dropping his name, but I imagine even if HE posted something positive here the (few) haters would jump on him, too.


Speaking of , as if on cue -

Interesting post history you have going on there, the honesty is appreciated though..

Welcoming committee chief (and avowed FU hater) OldSkoolNJ (though you have to admit, he does have a cool avatar...lol) pops up to mention you're a new poster here...don't worry, that's apparently how they say "hi!"


Dave however, can (and hopefully will) comment on the Ti saddles...!

 

[OldSkoolNJ]

Welcoming committee chief (and avowed FU hater) OldSkoolNJ (though you have to admit, he does have a cool avatar...lol) pops up to mention you're a new poster here...don't worry, that's apparently how they say "hi!"

Hater for pointing out the obvious reasons how you both ended up here Haha O.k.

Sorry if I have the ability to remember that guy and Adam were the two that was pressuring another member here into revealing his identity and what bands he works for in order to win a debate over Credibility and Adam not being able to produce proof of shipping for a block that some one else never received

 

[Motorpud]

Welcoming committee chief (and avowed FU hater) OldSkoolNJ (though you have to admit, he does have a cool avatar...lol) pops up to mention you're a new poster here...don't worry, that's apparently how they say "hi!"

Hater for pointing out the obvious reasons how you both ended up here Haha O.k.

Sorry if I have the ability to remember that guy and Adam were the two that was pressuring another member here into revealing his identity and what bands he works for in order to win a debate over Credibility and Adam not being able to produce proof of shipping for a block that some one else never received

If I remember correctly wasn't it more than 1 block? Weren't there 2 or 3 blocks in question and the other guy did, in fact, provide his shipping receipt?

 

[OldSkoolNJ]

Welcoming committee chief (and avowed FU hater) OldSkoolNJ (though you have to admit, he does have a cool avatar...lol) pops up to mention you're a new poster here...don't worry, that's apparently how they say "hi!"

Hater for pointing out the obvious reasons how you both ended up here Haha O.k.

Sorry if I have the ability to remember that guy and Adam were the two that was pressuring another member here into revealing his identity and what bands he works for in order to win a debate over Credibility and Adam not being able to produce proof of shipping for a block that some one else never received

If I remember correctly wasn't it more than 1 block? Weren't there 2 or 3 blocks in question and the other guy did, in fact, provide his shipping receipt?

Yeh I wonder why only the last block with proof of shipment actually showed up..

 

[moltenmetalburn]

Welcoming committee chief (and avowed FU hater) OldSkoolNJ (though you have to admit, he does have a cool avatar...lol) pops up to mention you're a new poster here...don't worry, that's apparently how they say "hi!"

Hater for pointing out the obvious reasons how you both ended up here Haha O.k.

Sorry if I have the ability to remember that guy and Adam were the two that was pressuring another member here into revealing his identity and what bands he works for in order to win a debate over Credibility and Adam not being able to produce proof of shipping for a block that some one else never received

If I remember correctly wasn't it more than 1 block? Weren't there 2 or 3 blocks in question and the other guy did, in fact, provide his shipping receipt?

Yeh I wonder why only the last block with proof of shipment actually showed up..

Because it was the only one sent!

 

[jhale667]

Sorry if I have the ability to remember that guy and Adam were the two that was pressuring another member here into revealing his identity and what bands he works for

No clue what you're talking about there, or which "that guy" you're referring to, 'cause imagining with only 4 or 5 posts here, it's not Dave...

and Adam not being able to produce proof of shipping for a block that some one else never received

No,^ there's^ why you're a hater. And why you and the guy you're talking about wallow in lameness.

Wondered as soon as you posted how long it would take you to dredge that (single, solitary, isolated - and still questionable) incident you and the other guy (who much more likely ripped Adam off) keep whining about on multiple forums...real classy, btw...And now you bring it up in THIS thread. It only took you two posts this time. No, you don't have an agenda at all...
And yes, from what I recall, it was more than one block. Though you state "only" one showed up as if you were there, given the fact that your pal stalks Adam from forum to forum (whether he posts there or not), excuse me if I doubt his word (and yours) about anything.

NONE of this is relevant to the discussion about how the different blocks SOUND.

Refresh my memory, though - since most of your posts in this thread have been griping about how much you hate Adam, or stumps for his competition, it's hard to keep track - individual manufacturer aside, which material did YOU try, in what guitar, and what were the benefits if any you perceived?

 

[Ethn Hayabusa]

One thing I should have clarified, which I don't think came across earlier, is that I'm not bothered by the minutes it takes to initially change the block, I'm bothered by the idea of taking it out to listen for the difference, and then putting it back in to see if I prefer the sound of it in.

I don't think I conveyed that well, because I was a little confused as to why that mattered. I'm sorry if that didn't come across, because I see that point brought up a few times now.

 

[jhale667]

One thing I should have clarified, which I don't think came across earlier, is that I'm not bothered by the minutes it takes to initially change the block, I'm bothered by the idea of taking it out to listen for the difference, and then putting it back in to see if I prefer the sound of it in.

I don't think I conveyed that well, because I was a little confused as to why that mattered. I'm sorry if that didn't come across, because I see that point brought up a few times now.

Wouldn't it be easier to record your own "before" and "after" clips with your guitar to see whether you'd even (ever) want to put the old one back in?

 

[Motorpud]

One thing I should have clarified, which I don't think came across earlier, is that I'm not bothered by the minutes it takes to initially change the block, I'm bothered by the idea of taking it out to listen for the difference, and then putting it back in to see if I prefer the sound of it in.

I don't think I conveyed that well, because I was a little confused as to why that mattered. I'm sorry if that didn't come across, because I see that point brought up a few times now.

Wouldn't it be easier to record your own "before" and "after" clips with your guitar to see whether you'd even (ever) want to put the old one back in?

Depends on whether he's going for a good recorded tone or live in the room sound.

 

[jhale667]

Depends on whether he's going for a good recorded tone or live in the room sound.

...I'd disagree. To a small extent, perhaps - but reference clips (not to mention the guitar's post-block-swap acoustic tone) will give you an idea of both; my initial opinion was not swayed after I'd gigged with them, at least. As a matter of fact, it kind of reinforced it...

Can't always say the same thing about a pickup, y'know?

 

[OldSkoolNJ]

No clue what you're talking about there, or which "that guy" you're referring to, 'cause imagining with only 4 or 5 posts here, it's not Dave...
No,^ there's^ why you're a hater. And why you and the guy you're talking about wallow in lameness.

Wondered as soon as you posted how long it would take you to dredge that (single, solitary, isolated - and still questionable) incident you and the other guy (who much more likely ripped Adam off) keep whining about on multiple forums...real classy, btw...And now you bring it up in THIS thread. It only took you two posts this time. No, you don't have an agenda at all...
And yes, from what I recall, it was more than one block. Though you state "only" one showed up as if you were there, given the fact that your pal stalks Adam from forum to forum (whether he posts there or not), excuse me if I doubt his word (and yours) about anything.
Refresh my memory, though - since most of your posts in this thread have been griping about how much you hate Adam, or stumps for his competition, it's hard to keep track - individual manufacturer aside, which material did YOU try, in what guitar, and what were the benefits if any you perceived?

It is all in their post's, I am not pointing anything out to you that you do not want to see..
But there is plenty of other people that have read it and see it for what it was and is..
It does not Affect or hurt me or my business

Like it or Not your single, solitary, isolated, questionable incident Did in fact Happen and the Facts are the guy only received the 1st damaged block and the last and only block with actual proof of shipment..
No physical proof of the 2nd and 3rd block being shipped, In an actual U.S. Civil Court Case would mean they were not shipped...

It is that guy is an asshole because he posted on multiple forums about a damaged block and replacement blocks he never recieved but you can Spam this on Multiple forums...
Like it or not even though that guy was an Asshole he got the last laugh out of the conduct and character that was shown in that situation...
No matter how many Cheerleaders were rallied up for the cause...
People and potential customers saw it, noticed it and bought elsewhere...


It is funny every one that does not agree with you, Or the ones that can actually point out or remember how and why you guys actually ended up here is Hater..
If you go back and read, Past customers are even stating they are getting tired of seeing this post and begininning to see this as what it is...

 

[jhale667]

It's also funny you keep harping on it. And ducking questions, and generally being an ass, but hey...you're on a mission.

Yeah, I lurked here long before I posted, and your friend's being a jackass (well beyond whatever original MINOR justification he had, he's gone/continues to go way past that - as do you) initially prompted me to chime in. Sue me. Get over it, and more importantly yourself. Quit fooling yourself into believing that helps your "case" in the slightest. Guess you're gonna start spam-yelling at me in a giant font again now? Oops, I accidentally gave away the other part of your weak shtick...my bad!

No one ever denied the incident happened, and it's well known all parties agree it could have been handled better and differently. The matter was settled, a replacement was sent (again). SHOULD have been the end of it. So why are you the only ones who continuously bring it up? Since you mention not hurting "your business", it's clear your aim is to hurt his - like it wasn't already abundantly clear. But you haven't, and you won't. What you WILL do is keep looking more bitter and sad. Like you just did with your last post, and no doubt will with your subsequent ones on the subject. Especially when you bring up THAT dead issue again. Face it, you've been bitchslapped on every other "con" you tried to come up with against the FU product itself, that's ALL YOU HAD left, and that is so old it's moldy. You're still on empty.
I asked you to momentarily put aside manufacturers, talk about your guitar, and what do you do -you duck the question, post another War & Peace length rant on Adam? Please. You're beyond transparent at this point. But go ahead and keep accusing me of spamming - meanwhile, I'm the guy talking about products I use and like, that work, you're the guy that keeps trying to derail the thread (and any other FU-related one you can google) talking "He sucks" smack. Yeah, run with that...

 

[OldSkoolNJ]

I didn't even bring it up I just commented on it having fun going a long with the conversation
I do not and have not posted on any Music related forum, This is the only music related forum besides a guitar company forum I am a member of..
No one here has said do not buy anything from anyone or any company

People do have legitimate reasons for having suspicions on the reason's behind this being here because you have posted it everywhere. Like it or not, You Can't blame them for it either..

This isn't a block shoot out it is a comparison between 2 different block Materials made by the same brand done by some one that is Affiliated with/Friends with some one of a particular company...
I do not hide from your other questions either I just refuse to answer them and discuss them with You
You already have a Biased Opinion that I do not require