The reason rock music will die

[Monkey Man]

People are polishing music too much.

If you polish it too much there's nothing organic left. None of the quirks and foibles that make it interesting to the brain.

The brain craves variety and engages in ceaseless mathematical gymnastics. Simply-put, the numbers resulting from cut-and-paste jobs and quantisation are just too-boring.

 

[midnightlaundry]

I'll weigh in..
Being in a band sucks!

The best time to rock is when you're young and have nothing to lose. After a certain age, everyone brings in their baggage, their substance problems, their lofty self perceived status, their wives and girlfriends that think they are also band members. Just shutup bitch.. .. All can fuck off..

The last dude I jammed with, we played on and off for 2 years.. Every time we would get close to progress, he would flake. What a waste of time. Hey at least I got to hear what my amp sounds like loud.. LOL

 

[midnightlaundry]

More on point, I went all in on Recording Hardware.. Fuck Plugins FTMP.. Older recording guys will say the Tape Machines were a hassle, but they sounded good. And you had to commit to a take.

The best recordings were in the 70's 80's and 90's.. Once Computers came in, human nature of taking the easy way out kicked in. Once you can pinpoint, chop and paste every aspect of a recording, it stops being a recording and the mojo is lost. Frankly, I think recordings of late are TO FUCKING LOUD AND LIFELESS. Everything sounds like Velveta..

Led Zeppelin would suck if some Plugin Dick recorded them.. It's mics in a room that captured a performance that made these records good. Commit to a take and leave it. Parallel Compress that shit recording up your ass.. LOL

 

[Candiria]

The problem is all people do anymore is pick apart mixes instead of listening to the music. Everytime someone puts up new music on a forum it's "the drums are too loud" "the guitar is too this or that". It's annoying as fuck, and the result is the need for things to sound "perfect".

It's way easier to record with plugins and superior drummer and have it come out sounding good vs. paying some local studio for a recording. So I don't blame those dudes at all because they understand the nature of music fans now.

 

[Techdeth]

I am in a band where we hardly ever get together and when we do we just go through our "set" which is our 5 song EP that we've released 4 years which we've never played live yet.

I spend so much time coming up with ideas and writing and recording riffs and get excited, just to have nobody else bounce ideas back. Progress is never made. I waste time and energy getting excited about writing new stuff so we can record and play it, just to be let down because everybody else constantly has other plans. Nobody else makes the band a priority.

Sucks man

 

[Techdeth]

More on point, I went all in on Recording Hardware.. Fuck Plugins FTMP.. Older recording guys will say the Tape Machines were a hassle, but they sounded good. And you had to commit to a take.

The best recordings were in the 70's 80's and 90's.. Once Computers came in, human nature of taking the easy way out kicked in. Once you can pinpoint, chop and paste every aspect of a recording, it stops being a recording and the mojo is lost. Frankly, I think recordings of late are TO FUCKING LOUD AND LIFELESS. Everything sounds like Velveta..

Led Zeppelin would suck if some Plugin Dick recorded them.. It's mics in a room that captured a performance that made these records good. Commit to a take and leave it. Parallel Compress that shit recording up your ass.. LOL

Zep the computer version . Meshugah drum tones neural plugin

 

[Metalhex]

The problem is all people do anymore is pick apart mixes instead of listening to the music. Everytime someone puts up new music on a forum it's "the drums are too loud" "the guitar is too this or that". It's annoying as fuck, and the result is the need for things to sound "perfect".

It's way easier to record with plugins and superior drummer and have it come out sounding good vs. paying some local studio for a recording. So I don't blame those dudes at all because they understand the nature of music fans now.

I see what you mean, but since everybody and their dog is self producing their own records, there's way more "muck" to wade through then there was when record companies/studios were king. There's such an abundance of music today and not nearly enough time to listen to all of it.

I suppose that when you grow up in the 70's 80s and 90s, with all professionally recorded music of great quality and sound, then you become critical of the production of a bedroom guitarist.

 

[7704A]

Zep the computer version.

Ask and thou shalt receive:

 

[BesaMoogie]

If an engineer can't get a good drum sound in 15 minutes he don't know what the hell he''s doing.

By the sound of this forum few people will need to take the time to dedicate themselves to mastering a guitar at all in a few more years. The machine will get better tones so let's get together and program a record together. How much more lame dick will this world get?

Yes, and that`s exactly what I`m talking about.
A capable engineer can get a good drum recording. He knows his microphones, maybe went through a few of them or changes them for the style of music. He knows how to set the mics up, the exact distances to every part of the drum kit. He knows the recording environment and the acoustics of the room or in the best case, has a separate and treated room for recording. Then he knows post processing and mixing (compression, EQ-filtering), and has an idea, where the other instruments will sit in the mix. And for all of this knowledge and experience the engineer gained over years, you pay him. Or you put in the work and money by yourself to get there.

In my situation, if recording drums, I don`t have the room, nor the mics or the knowledge to do so. And I guess a 25 years old kid does neither? So the decision is paying someone who knows or resorting to VSTs like EZ drummer with pre-recorded samples. Which again brings me to the question, what do I want to put in for the first few demosongs?

 

[BesaMoogie]

I am in a band where we hardly ever get together and when we do we just go through our "set" which is our 5 song EP that we've released 4 years which we've never played live yet.

I spend so much time coming up with ideas and writing and recording riffs and get excited, just to have nobody else bounce ideas back. Progress is never made. I waste time and energy getting excited about writing new stuff so we can record and play it, just to be let down because everybody else constantly has other plans. Nobody else makes the band a priority.

Been there trying to „motivate“ other members to put in more time and effort for music. It’s a road of constant disappointment. You either accept it or move on, but don’t expect to change the dynamics in a band that settled over years

 

[Panhead5]

Damn ---Now I know I live in a cave and am totally out of touch!! I don't record at all . I hang in my basement and play alot with different gear to become a better guitar player. I love the tones from my gear and enjoy noodling . I am older so my days of making a statement with original are long gone but I really do enjoy playing along with backing tracks and songs I like .

This is truly one of the better threads we've had in a while.

 

[midnightlaundry]

Ask and thou shalt receive:

That bangin' Bass Drum!

 

[boltzthrower]

I am in a band where we hardly ever get together and when we do we just go through our "set" which is our 5 song EP that we've released 4 years which we've never played live yet.

I spend so much time coming up with ideas and writing and recording riffs and get excited, just to have nobody else bounce ideas back. Progress is never made. I waste time and energy getting excited about writing new stuff so we can record and play it, just to be let down because everybody else constantly has other plans. Nobody else makes the band a priority.

I feel ya. Quit. Start a band with people that have compatible goals. Put it all on that table up front, expectations, goals, deal breakers. Leave no wiggle rim for stonewallers, lazy asses, do nothings or the “rock stars” who are no where to be seen until it’s time for the show. It’s like dating, you gotta ask yourself if you’d be happier single with the possibility of replacing the don’t-give-a-fucks with the all-about-it’s. Just gotta be careful to differentiate megalomaniacal premadonnas with go-getters.

 

[boltzthrower]

How do you guys feel about drum quantization? I’m of the opinion that if you quantize, you literally cant play the song so you shouldn’t be recording/releasing it. Charlatan beats. No one’s quantizing guitar riffs, right?

 

[GearGasms]

How do you guys feel about drum quantization? I’m of the opinion that if you quantize, you literally cant play the song so you shouldn’t be recording/releasing it. Charlatan beats. No one’s quantizing guitar riffs, right?

It feels like cheating and sucks the life out of the whole track. It's the autotune of drumming

 

[RaceU4her]

I'll weigh in..
Being in a band sucks!

The best time to rock is when you're young and have nothing to lose. After a certain age, everyone brings in their baggage, their substance problems, their lofty self perceived status, their wives and girlfriends that think they are also band members. Just shutup bitch.. .. All can fuck off..

The last dude I jammed with, we played on and off for 2 years.. Every time we would get close to progress, he would flake. What a waste of time. Hey at least I got to hear what my amp sounds like loud.. LOL

wait, you mean it wasnt a good time meeting the girlfriend at the already anxiety filled first gig, who unbeknownst to anyone was hired as the band manager whos style of managing happens to be that of a drill sergeant??

 

[VonBonfire]

I'll weigh in..
Being in a band sucks!

The best time to rock is when you're young and have nothing to lose. After a certain age, everyone brings in their baggage, their substance problems, their lofty self perceived status, their wives and girlfriends that think they are also band members. Just shutup bitch.. .. All can fuck off..

I quit being in bands and decided to run the show myself because of complaints like yours that I also experienced in "bands". If I want other guy's input I ask. Fortunately I'm at the stage where I have some gigging and touring veterans that have valuable input to provide so I'm really fortunate. But it took all my life to get there.

I have used guys from 22-75 years old for gigs. I have no age hangups. I just like guys that work. Currently the guys are from 35-65 years old. More mature, reliable, serious musicians who didn't go through some dumbass phase and then quit after they finished college or hit 30 or got married. Nobody burned out on booze or drugs or with relationship baggage. No quitters. It's work, not social hour for wives and girlfriends so that is also a non issue. I actually have guys with the often claimed but rarely delivered "pro great and attitude", lol.

 

[Brandonrz]

How do you guys feel about drum quantization? I’m of the opinion that if you quantize, you literally cant play the song so you shouldn’t be recording/releasing it. Charlatan beats. No one’s quantizing guitar riffs, right?

You’re not going to hear ANY major release that doesn’t have stuff almost perfect to a grid. Same goes for guitars. All guitars are edited to a grid on major releases. Hell lots of guitar players nowadays literally record one riff at a time for a song.

 

[Music&Chaos]

Just to chime in:

I have had such a struggle finding musicians with a real drive. At most, they will really enjoy the jams and warmups or tracks we play and will love what we lay down while 'jamming'. This is a warmup for real musical ideas to be imprinted, not a final song.

I am so fucking sick of guys enjoying some random noodling I'm doing and being like "We got it, let's record, it's great!" No it isn't idiot, it's a guy noodling on guitar over some progressions. Let's get these tracks stuck to a process and professional level and then record them....

Had 2 bass players with a lot of talent. One was more vintage vibe and older and the other was a bit younger but a very killer player.


Vintage guy- why do we need to practice? We can do it like jazz.

OK guy, I've performed around for years with Jazz ensembles and we always practiced our music and knew where solo breaks would land, for how long, etc. If you say - just wing it like jazz, you don't know much about jazz at all or being a true musician and performer. He liked to drink a six pack ever practice so he could conveniently forget everything we went over or talked about as a band.


Damn dude, I'm the one playing guitar rhythm, lead and singing, is it that fucking hard???

Drummer and I had a meeting and had to basically let him know to get with it or get moving, he said he wasn't in a band to 'Play structured music' and was just doing it for fun... Tho we had gigged out and it was clearly a professional project.


Bassist #2: Unreliable, flakey dude who was also whiney. Only lived 15m from my place and would never let me give him a ride though that was always his excuse when he would No Show to a gig or practice. 'No gas man.' Or some stupid bull like that. Talented guy who will always live at home with that mentality.


The drummer? Killer guy, killer drummer, super into the band, we jive together EVERY SINGLE TIME. Problem? He is a lead enforcer for a biker gang. The more he chose that life, the more I distanced myself.

When I showed up at an open jam and was made to wait for 4 hours with an uncomfortable setting, I was super confused. I was then made aware we were in 'Rival' territory and he had backup on the way.


Nah, I don't do music to get into fights bro.


So, no bassist X 2 - (I've been playing since I was 13, so I can lay all of my own parts)


No drummer, gotta go digital.

 

[RaceU4her]

You’re not going to hear ANY major release that doesn’t have stuff almost perfect to a grid. Same goes for guitars. All guitars are edited to a grid on major releases. Hell lots of guitar players nowadays literally record one riff at a time for a song.

thats another hang up for me, i record everything one take. i want my music to essentially be a live album where im playing every instrument. its crazy to me watching how much editing actually goes on in major label releases.