The reason rock music will die

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RaceU4her said:
thats another hang up for me, i record everything one take. i want my music to essentially be a live album where im playing every instrument. its crazy to me watching how much editing actually goes on in major label releases.
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I mean it’s been going on literally forever. Clipping and putting together best parts from other takes and all that. Even back when tape was a thing. As a fellow musician if I hear someone say that they did stuff in one take, I’m like that’s impressive and cool doing it in one shot. However if trying to get noticed by any form of label or any sort of recognition the stuff needs to be edited; otherwise it just sounds sloppy in comparison. I try to do something in the middle by being real tight, and taking the best parts and putting them together instead of slamming everything precisely to a grid.
 
GuitarGuy08 said:
Vintage guy- why do we need to practice? We can do it like jazz.
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I pick up on small things like this and immediately reject a guy based on that to save time. "Pros don't rehearse", lol goodbye. Guys who say "Genre X is easy". Stupid statements, small talk, that reveals a lousy attitude that I don't care to deal with. A drummer with no rimshot, goodbye. Bad meter, goodbye. Can't show up 45 mins to an hour before show, goodbye. People think I'm a dick about it cause I am.

I once had a drummer who called me while I was setting up on stage at the gig, telling me another drummer was going to fill in for him. Uh, ok. I see the dude a year or so later and he's like "I'm so and so" and extends his hand to shake. He's all "maybe you can forgive me since I got you another guy". Yeah bro, I forgave you and then forgot about you and I intend on keeping it that way forever, lol. I don't even want to know you.

I only work with guys who love to rehearse as much as they do gig. The only reason for missing rehearsal is you have a gig. I love a rehearsal studio, it's probably my favorite zone for playing guitar. That comes with the stipulation that I will provide a good number of gigs and not expect someone to rehearse forever without any work. There are bands like that. More than five or six rehearsals without some paid work is BS.

GuitarGuy08 said:
Bassist #2: Unreliable, flakey dude who was also whiney. Only lived 15m from my place and would never let me give him a ride though that was always his excuse when he would No Show to a gig or practice. 'No gas man.' Or some stupid bull like that. Talented guy who will always live at home with that mentality.
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Been there too. I worked with a fella a few years back who is now touring with a name player but the guy had a bitch fit about small stuff at every gig, He has an idolatry hangup with the guy he works with now so it's all yes sir no sir respect. I didn't have that profile so I got door matted. One thing I refuse to deal with is bitch fits and my dick hurts complaints at gigs. I don't care how good you are. I would rather dig ditches than gig with a bunch of bitches.
 
VonBonfire said:
Haul your shit do your job and please show up on time and hit the drums loud.
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I use virtual drums. When using the humanize function, I find that there is a very thin line between robot perfect and sounding like a sloppy player that hasn't been practicing.
 
This thread is a great reminder... :checkthisout:

I'm enjoying my gear and freedom to play whatever I want. New fretless bass incoming, also my first 5-string bass, along with a new bass preamp pedal; played my Viscount Cantorum Trio (pipe organ) for a few hours yesterday; now I'm taking a break from my '80s with my Jackson Rhoads and ISP Theta Pro Michael Sweet rig this morning for lunch,...maybe some Hammond organ later today....

Every time I think about forming a band, dealing with musicians, schlepping gear, dealing with drunks, dealing with club owners/managers, etc., that thought evaporates.
 
Bram576 said:
I mean it’s been going on literally forever. Clipping and putting together best parts from other takes and all that. Even back when tape was a thing. As a fellow musician if I hear someone say that they did stuff in one take, I’m like that’s impressive and cool doing it in one shot. However if trying to get noticed by any form of label or any sort of recognition the stuff needs to be edited; otherwise it just sounds sloppy in comparison. I try to do something in the middle by being real tight, and taking the best parts and putting them together instead of slamming everything precisely to a grid.
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I think this is a good compromise. You should strive to nail whatever the individual parts of the song are and then just copy paste those to create the final piece. I am against snapping to grid, it sounds so damn robotic and robs the song of any feel. If you have intro, verse, chorus etc., you try to get 4 to 8 bars of those clean and if they are the best, you use that for the other parts of the song that repeat. I think this is essentially how they did it with tape to avoid all the endless splicing. You can listen to isolated guitar parts on YouTube and see how they did it. Sometimes for leads you will hear a quick cut in or something added but most of the rythms are the best take repeated.
 
rsm said:
Every time I think about forming a band, dealing with musicians, schlepping gear, dealing with drunks, dealing with club owners/managers, etc., that thought evaporates.
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So you're a hobbyist.
 
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VonBonfire said:
So you're a hobbyist.
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I played at least 100 paying gigs, recorded a few originals including EPs; my first paying gig at 14, my last at 32; been there, done that; if you want to call what I do today a hobby, that works too, but I don't consider myself a hobbyist or a pro musician; I consider myself a retired semi-pro musician. :D

Edit: also played free gigs as a kid too, on sax and guitar, including school jazz band, and the city youth symphony orchestra.
 
JohnnyGtar said:
I just learned something. Thank you!
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This is a good trick . I like a kick sample to reinforce the sound sometimes but honestly, I'm pretty happy with my toms. Nothing fancy, just birch tama kit, tuned well, cut down kn ring, basic eq from my hardware or plugin and it's good to go.
 
I respect you guys for trying. I gave up on being in a band years ago. I just simply enjoy what I do in my home studio, not interested in anything else really. Love gear, love trying new shit, love modifying guitars, love experimenting on things and love learning more on the guitar and practicing. Can do it all day everyday.

Drama is only good in movies, everywhere else sucks.
 
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I think it's a trend that'll wear out its welcome. The fact that it's so easy to program useable drum sounds is great, as another addition to the toolbox, but it doesn't replace the real thing. Average listeners will eventually get sick of how much it's being done to death & musicians will be forced to tune into the fact that they want something else.

There are always great musicians out there, writing and playing really cool shit.

I love that I can grab a shitty iPhone recording at band practice when we have a cool idea. Drag & drop some drums into logic, make a few changes to mimic what our drummer was playing, and in a few hours have a working demo for writing & arranging. With everyone having careers & families, we can away with rehearsing twice a month because of things like that.
 
Kapo_Polenton said:
It will be hilarious when nobody shows up for their avatar shows.
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Mark my words, when that flops, KISS will re-release a version of it with the audience as avatars, made to look like millions in attendance.
 
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stratjacket said:
I respect you guys for trying. I gave up on being in a band years ago. I just simply enjoy what I do in my home studio, not interested in anything else really. Love gear, love trying new shit, love modifying guitars, love experimenting on things and love learning more on the guitar and practicing. Can do it all day everyday.

Drama is only good in movies, everywhere else sucks.
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I feel the same way. I have enough internal drama. I don't need to add band members.
 
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