The reason rock music will die

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rsm said:
Too many guitarists here; I really don't want to play bass again just to play out; not much interest in Hammond organ players either - most of the keyboardists do the one-man show with a workstation or arranger which I find cheesy - but I thought about buying a 61-key Korg Nautilus a few times but came to my senses in time.
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A keyboard/bass player—I can’t imagine who WOULDN’T want you! If you can sing you are a frikking unicorn!
 
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This thread has been a good reminder of why I put being in or forming a serious band behind me. I'd get along with and be happy to play with a number of people here. Others would be hard pass because there'd be conflict in a band setting. Not to mention all the other aggravations already mentioned here. After my last band crapped out a number of years ago it wasn't worth continuing to deal with these levels of drama as just a local musician. Every now and then I think about doing it again then remember all the stupid crap that comes with it... Nope, not for me anymore.

There are a couple of people I've been friends with since grade school that play an instrument, have the same taste in music, and are no longer aspiring to be in a band either. These days we're all content with getting together now and again for a jam. And I'm more than happy to play at home and do some light recording for my own benefit.
 
I'm lucky enough to have a family full of musicians. I probably stand apart the most in my style, but they'll always happily play along with me.
Well, that is if they want to eat dinner... My Daughter has a band she's been in for a few years now as well as interned for a local production company and seeing the younger scene, doesn't make me believe rock is dead or dying. It's just changing, and seemingly analog is still the go to for the small gig/garage scene. If anything, the local zoomer bands seem to be more interested in 80s-00s rock/metal influences than EDM or mumble rap.
 
Some thoughts on experiences with my last band...

We were a live rock band. Amps on stage to begin with. Moved to Kempers later on. When we went to record, I used my Splawn and a TwoNotes Captor X. We did this because we were recording at our drummer's house. So, a blaring 412 cab was not an option. I was happy with the tones that we got. Despite being a great drummer, he elected to program his tracks to cut down on time and recording hassles. He programmed in exactly what he normally plays and then adjusted the programming to make it not sound like a programmed part. We were happy with the results.
Personally, I would have loved to go into a studio and track everything. But in my area, that's gonna run about $2k a day. And despite constantly being asked if we had music to sell, what we learned is that very few people actually buy your music. They just want to be able to stream it. So, spending $10k to $20k to track an album the "right way" didn't make any sense for us. We live in a world where music has been devalued to a point where people expect it to be free. That's why major bands are charging hundreds of dollars per ticket to see them.

Just my random musings...
 
tallcoolone said:
A keyboard/bass player—I can’t imagine who WOULDN’T want you! If you can sing you are a frikking unicorn!
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IDK, I'm not really interested in most of the live music played around here, except the jazz clubs;

at the tourist clubs, dive bars, beach bars, restaurant bars, the bands are doing mostly MOR / top 40 / rock standards; one-man-bands as I mentioned (guitarist singer with backing tracks; or the arranger/workstation keyboardist) are popular at the restaurant bars and outside seating areas which dies down in the winter.

There's also a country, and bluegrass scenes here, which isn't for me either. Then there are the dance clubs with DJs.

I'd rather do more interesting music, but not much interest around here by other musicians, or many of the venues that have live music which I think is a factor. Seems many around here want the gigs as side income vs enjoying the music, though I suppose some do like the music they're playing. I'm not playing for free, but I don't need gig money that bad thankfully.

At my age now, the time, energy, commitment, etc., of being in a band is only worth doing if I enjoy playing the music. Too old for the younger original metal bands.
 
Last working band I was in was when I was in college. We were together gigging 3x a week. Started out as classic rock and heavy metal and at the end we were country, bluegrass and gospel. Plus we pretty much hated each other by the end. I still get the itch but I’m done. If I can get a handle on this recording shit I would be happy. Of course you need to pick up a guitar and play though…lol…
 
JackBootedThug said:
Last working band I was in was when I was in college. We were together gigging 3x a week. Started out as classic rock and heavy metal and at the end we were country, bluegrass and gospel. Plus we pretty much hated each other by the end. I still get the itch but I’m done. If I can get a handle on this recording shit I would be happy. Of course you need to pick up a guitar and play though…lol…
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Play more !now !
 
rsm said:
It's been a few years, I tried a few different band/scenarios...I'd get people not interested in the same style of music I listed; or people expecting to drop in to a working band with gigs when I clearly stated "starting a new project".

I'm in a tourist area, most of the established bands and musicians have been here for many years, many born and raised here, so breaking in to bands here isn't easy unless you know someone or make a name for yourself. When I first moved here, I got to know a few local musicians and bands, nearly every one said open mic nights at certain places was where local musicians would go when they were looking for fill-ins or replacements and no one they knew was available or interested. it turned out to be true. Never amounted to anything for me though.

Too many guitarists here; I really don't want to play bass again just to play out; not much interest in Hammond organ players either - most of the keyboardists do the one-man show with a workstation or arranger which I find cheesy - but I thought about buying a 61-key Korg Nautilus a few times but came to my senses in time.

Really good jazz club in town here, gets national and international artists, and a few smaller places that have jazz nights. It's been a few years, but I tried to find a jazz drummer and guitarist to create a jazz trio (I'd be on Hammond), and learned it's even more difficult to break into jazz here, it's an even smaller, tight-knit community.

I did just order my first 5-string bass, so I may go that route to start...
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Move to Minneapolis talk to Chris at City sound rent a practice place there and u will find tons of Musicans jamming lotsa places to play small venues.
 
Thetorch777 said:
Move to Minneapolis
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Is the Phillips neighborhood finally gentrified or can I still shoot my pistol at night there? The Twin cities were shit in the 90's but I did like the liquor store on HIawatha.
 
Thetorch777 said:
Move to Minneapolis talk to Chris at City sound rent a practice place there and u will find tons of Musicans jamming lotsa places to play small venues.
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I'd never move to Minneapolis, or any other cold, demoncrat-controlled metro area; thanks!

I'm happy on my little island in the Atlantic, with my 2A right, and the palm trees. :thumbsup:
 
VonBonfire said:
I only work with guys who love to rehearse as much as they do gig. The only reason for missing rehearsal is you have a gig. I love a rehearsal studio, it's probably my favorite zone for playing guitar. That comes with the stipulation that I will provide a good number of gigs and not expect someone to rehearse forever without any work. There are bands like that. More than five or six rehearsals without some paid work is BS.
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This was me. Loved to rehearse, loved to create, record and gig. But rehearsals, couldn't wait each night we were scheduled. Whether people actually liked our music live was one thing but we were damn tight - nobody could ever take that away.

I was really lucky in that the last serious band I was in, wasn't my favorite music per se but it was the most fun I ever had because everyone was on the same page when it came to rehearsals, touring, travel etc... Everyone was total professional, now after the gigs party was on but before, everyone always had their shit together.

Whereas the best band I ever played in musically was a freaking trainwreck, always drama with drugs or drink, splitting money, even traveling to gigs was a damn headache because someone was late, skipped load in or their feelings were hurt or someone couldn't get their blow in time etc... The whole thing was always on the verge of implosion i.e. we need to kick this guy out because he doesn't do this and it'd always be ok, we kick him out who's covering what he does, you? Yeah, what I thought - 6 years of that was maddening.
 
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jabps said:
This was me. Loved to rehearse, loved to create, record and gig. But rehearsals, couldn't wait each night we were scheduled. Whether people actually liked our music live was one thing but we were damn tight - nobody could ever take that away.

I was really lucky in that the last serious band I was in, wasn't my favorite music per se but it was the most fun I ever had because everyone was on the same page when it came to rehearsals, touring, travel etc... Everyone was total professional, now after the gigs party was on but before, everyone always had their shit together.

Whereas the best band I ever played in musically was a freaking trainwreck, always drama with drugs or drink, splitting money, even traveling to gigs was a damn headache because someone was late, skipped load in or their feelings were hurt or someone couldn't get their blow in time etc... The whole thing was always on the verge of implosion - 6 years of that was maddening.
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my last real band, we practiced Monday, Weds, Friday, Saturday, Sunday, unless we had a show that week. If someone couldn't make it we'd still get together and work on new song ideas and share them. I was younger and single then.
 
rsm said:
my last real band, we practiced Monday, Weds, Friday, Saturday, Sunday, unless we had a show that week. If someone couldn't make it we'd still get together and work on new song ideas and share them. I was younger and single then.
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When I was underage in tech school we used to do this but one of the guys was a bad alcoholic and I had to cut him loose and move on. He just kept saying "why?" smh, he couldn't see it. It wasn't a waste though. If you want to improve you have to take playing opportunities when they come to you and a rehearsal is a playing opportunity. Rehearsals and gigs are never convenient but how bad do you want it?

These days I don't play in bands I have my own group so I get to be the boss. I don't do sub work either. I won't even play shit I don't want at a jam I'll just put my guitar away. I even got called a primadonna once, lol.. I figure it's all so much headache I might as well play what I want to play and heck with everything else.
 
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