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[JDs Couch]

If you are implying I am a young earth creationist, well, that's a protestant thing. In the Genesis account the sun isn't created until the 4th day so a "day" prior to that is an unspecified amount of time.

Sounds good.

 

[JDs Couch]

Ditto
Theres plenty of LGTB forums she can go to. Leave us alone

Drunk again huh?

 

[JamesTiberiusKirk]

Drunk again huh?

He's an angry drunk too. I prefer the maudlin "you're-sob-my best friend ever" drunks.

 

[70 Mach 1]

Drunk again huh?

He's an angry drunk too. I prefer the maudlin "you're-sob-my best friend ever" drunks.

 

[Monkey Man]

If you are implying I am a young earth creationist, well, that's a protestant thing. In the Genesis account the sun isn't created until the 4th day so a "day" prior to that is an unspecified amount of time.

It hadn't been specified yet, true, but the fact that plants were created the day before (or was it 2 days? - I can't remember) suggests in no uncertain terms that it was a day as we know it.

That said, days are slightly-longer now due to the fact that the earth's rotation is slowing, as is every other planet's and moon's. I believe this is why we have to adjust the world clock every 2 or 3 years.

I calculated what the difference would've been based on 6000 years many years ago and IIRC the outcome was that a day would've been roughly 15 minutes shorter back then. Not-insignificant, but trivial nevertheless. If the earth were 4.5 billion years old? Everything would've been flung into space and a day would've, I'm guessing, been a matter of milliseconds long, assuming a linear slowdown, which of course it wouldn't have been 'cause nothing in nature is truly-linear, but the basic principle is "sound".

Just FWIMBW to anyone listening.

 

[JamesTiberiusKirk]

It hadn't been specified yet, true, but the fact that plants were created the day before (or was it 2 days? - I can't remember) suggests in no uncertain terms that it was a day as we know it.

That said, days are slightly-longer now due to the fact that the earth's rotation is slowing, as is every other planet's and moon's. I believe this is why we have to adjust the world clock every 2 or 3 years.

I calculated what the difference would've been based on 6000 years many years ago and IIRC the outcome was that a day would've been roughly 15 minutes shorter back then. Not-insignificant, but trivial nevertheless. If the earth were 4.5 billion years old? Everything would've been flung into space and a day would've, I'm guessing, been a matter of milliseconds long, assuming a linear slowdown, which of course it wouldn't have been 'cause nothing in nature is truly-linear, but the basic principle is "sound".

Just FWIMBW to anyone listening.

It may have been a metaphorical day. What was named a day could have been what we now call a billion years. So I wouldn't get hung up on the word day.

 

[Monkey Man]

I just "proved" that it was all-but-metophorical.

Besides that, the original language had specificity built-in. Many languages function this way.

Not gonna argue. I studied this shit for decades, decades ago so I'm rusty. I'll just say that the evidences in the form of limiting factors for a young earth are overwhelming in scope and number to say the least.

 

[Monkey Man]

Oh and on the first point, hermeneutics dictate that one take a text literally until a parameter or term is quantified / explained.

Hermeneutically-speaking, the first page of the book is 100% to be taken literally. Evolutionists have long pushed "the day-age theory" and "the gap theory" to somehow suggest that God used evolution, throwing a bunch of stuff into-the-mix and rolling the dice, so to speak.

Wouldn't have been much of a God if he had to take billions of years to create something via "random chance". A gambler.

 

[VonBonfire]

It hadn't been specified yet, true, but the fact that plants were created the day before (or was it 2 days? - I can't remember) suggests in no uncertain terms that it was a day as we know it.

Explain to me how a 24 hour day exists without the sun and moon to measure it.

 

[The~Kid]

Honestly I don't know whats going on here at this point.....



And thanks to all the homies......



Y'all know who you are and the real ones.



But one thing I do know..... Is WokeMerican Pink Pussy Hat Democrats and Neil DeAss Tyson/Obama/Moses Lovers and fagots of the like......


They support the Islamic Regime....... May as well support Nazis/Hitler or Tucker Carlson for that matter nowadays and other days like CNN and the like that embrace him today

 

[The~Kid]

Honestly I don't know whats going on here at this point.....



And thanks to all the homies......



Y'all know who you are and the real ones.



But one thing I do know..... Is WokeMerican Pink Pussy Hat Democrats and Neil DeAss Tyson/Obama/Moses Lovers and fagots of the like......


They support the Islamic Regime....... May as well support Nazis/Hitler or Tucker Carlson for that matter nowadays like CNN/MSNBC/NYTimes nvm your average TGP and the like that embrace this traitorous, treacherous, fagotry nowadays

 

[Floyd Eye]

It hadn't been specified yet, true, but the fact that plants were created the day before (or was it 2 days? - I can't remember) suggests in no uncertain terms that it was a day as we know it.

That said, days are slightly-longer now due to the fact that the earth's rotation is slowing, as is every other planet's and moon's. I believe this is why we have to adjust the world clock every 2 or 3 years.

I calculated what the difference would've been based on 6000 years many years ago and IIRC the outcome was that a day would've been roughly 15 minutes shorter back then. Not-insignificant, but trivial nevertheless. If the earth were 4.5 billion years old? Everything would've been flung into space and a day would've, I'm guessing, been a matter of milliseconds long, assuming a linear slowdown, which of course it wouldn't have been 'cause nothing in nature is truly-linear, but the basic principle is "sound".

Just FWIMBW to anyone listening.

Nowhere in the bible is a day described as one trip around the sun. I have heard "interpretations" of parts of Revelations which posit that a day to god is 1000 years to us. Most bits of evolution don't seem to conflict with creation theory if we assume "The big bang" was what happened physically when our creator "brought the universe on line" and that evolution is a method by which we were created and a result of "free will" which was endowed to us by our creator. I'm not saying I believe any of that, I'm just saying the theories don't necessarily conflict with each other.

One thing that does conflict though is the fact that dinosaurs and man never existed simultaneously. Genesis 1 and 2 seem to be at odds with each other as to which was created first, man or animal. If Genesis 1 is correct and animals were created first, scientific evidence would suggest that a day is on the order of millions of years long. Having been raised lutheran by parents who were raised Lutheran I was taught that every word in the bible is god's word and the truth. The contradictions in the bible were the first thing that struck my young mind when trying to figure out if I actually believed it or not. Other things like the exclusion from the kingdom of god of people ostensibly created by god who in many cases had no way to ever even have heard of christ, much less believe him to be the son of god pushed me further away from it. Also homosexuals. It is undeniable that they exist and are born that way. And if "God" didn't make them, they wouldn't exist, right ?




My personal inclination is to believe that we were created by something greater than us, but I have never heard a convincing explanation of who or what that is and I have never been into the idea of wasting huge chunks of my life/time trying to figure out what is essentially impossible to figure out. I figure the closest thing we can come to understanding is our own nature. Humans by birth are designed with innate knowledge of right and wrong and compassion for others, etc.. While I definitely fall short in the compassion for others department I never steal from or purposely cause pain or anguish to people other than reactively. You steal my shit, I break a few of your bones, etc.. So while I don't purport to be living "The best life" I have concluded that I am a decent man who tries to do the right thing at all times and if god, whoever that is, doesn't accept me then he/she isn't a god I give a fuck about. If that makes sense.



Hey, wouldn't it be a hoot if the Christian god, Allah, Buddha, Wakan Tanka were all actually the same person.

 

[Monkey Man]

Explain to me how a 24 hour day exists without the sun and moon to measure it.

There's this thing called time and if you or I can estimate or measure it, it's the safest bet in history that God knew how long a day was.

 

[Monkey Man]

@Floyd Eye there're perfectly-rational and logical explanations for all those questions mate.

As I said earlier, not gonna argue with anyone. Back in the day I could talk literally for days on the subject without repeating myself. These days I couldn't be bothered and have forgotten many of the deets that insure against "gotchas". The questions are tired-and-old, have been trundled out since Darwin (not a scientist BTW - only qualification was a preacher) and are therefore predictable-and-tiring to address. If someone wants to investigate the obvious alternative to the humanist / evolution-propaganda line, I say have at it and more power to him.

The issue I have with debating it is that it can take many dozens of explanations to specific common beliefs before the penny drops. At the rate I type, if I ever go there again, please shoot me.

 

[Floyd Eye]

@Floyd Eye there're perfectly-rational and logical explanations for all those questions mate.

As I said earlier, not gonna argue with anyone. Back in the day I could talk literally for days on the subject without repeating myself. These days I couldn't be bothered and have forgotten many of the deets that insure against "gotchas". The questions are tired-and-old, have been trundled out since Darwin (not a scientist BTW - only qualification was a preacher) and are therefore predictable-and-tiring to address. If someone wants to investigate the obvious alternative to the humanist / evolution-propaganda line, I say have at it and more power to him.

The issue I have with debating it is that it can take many dozens of explanations to specific common beliefs before the penny drops. At the rate I type, if I ever go there again, please shoot me.

Oh I agree my friend. I for one have zero time to spend on that shit. Life is short enough as it is.

 

[VonBonfire]

There's this thing called time and if you or I can estimate or measure it, it's the safest bet in history that God knew how long a day was.

"And God said, 'Let there be lights in the vault of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark sacred times, and days and years.'"

To "mark days and years" i.e for men to measure time with. Seems clear to me.

One thing that does conflict though is the fact that dinosaurs and man never existed simultaneously. Genesis 1 and 2 seem to be at odds with each other as to which was created first, man or animal. If Genesis 1 is correct and animals were created first, scientific evidence would suggest that a day is on the order of millions of years long.

God created animals. Then Adam. A suitable helper for Adam was sought from among the animals and when none was found he removed Adam's rib and made Eve. I do think dinosaurs and man walked together at some point per Job 40 starting at verse 15.

Other things like the exclusion from the kingdom of god of people ostensibly created by god who in many cases had no way to ever even have heard of christ, much less believe him to be the son of god pushed me further away from it.

Where does it say that those who have never heard of Christ are condemned?

Also homosexuals. It is undeniable that they exist and are born that way. And if "God" didn't make them, they wouldn't exist, right ?

It doesn't condemn someone for having a certain sexual proclivity, it condemns them for acting on it. Everyone is given a cross they must bear, every man has passions that are meant to be reigned in.

So while I don't purport to be living "The best life" I have concluded that I am a decent man who tries to do the right thing at all times and if god, whoever that is, doesn't accept me then he/she isn't a god I give a fuck about. If that makes sense.

There are no decent people, that's an illusion. There are only people who see themselves as decent in their own eyes. Proverbs 21:2 "Every way of a man is right in his own eyes, but the Lord weighs the heart." Jeremiah 17:9 "The heart is deceitful above all things and beyond cure. Who can understand it"

 

[Floyd Eye]

There’s only one way to heaven and that’s through Christ.

Believe Christ is the son of god, who died for your sins and be baptized.

The man/animal order- Genesis 2 contradicts Genesis 1

Sure there are decent people. Your criteria are binding and the only baseline we have to judge is human nature and history.

So you believe god intended no one to have sex outside of the marriage of one man to one woman?

 

[VonBonfire]

The man/animal order- Genesis 2 contradicts Genesis 1

I don't see it.

Sure there are decent people. Your criteria are binding and the only baseline we have to judge is human nature and history.

There are decent people if you ask other people because human standards and God's standard is miles apart. The bible doesn't square with the idea of "decent people".

So you believe god intended no one to have sex outside of the marriage of one man to one woman?

Yes.

 

[Kordoba]

I'm not actually wise I just made more mistakes than other people.

I called my life "The Museum of Bad Decisions."

 

[JamesTiberiusKirk]

I called my life "The Museum of Bad Decisions."

We all have those moments in our lives where if we look back on them, we wince.