This is what burns my ass in regards to the axe-fx zealots.

[UltraGary]

I've been yelled at on 2 threads here comparing Axe-FX to the Line6 stuff when it came out. It's funny how people get all upset at that comparison, because I see it as very similar. I say this with total respect for Line6 and the huge imprint they've made with their stuff....yet the new Axe-FX'ers all scream out how superior their new toy is. (& I'd hope so.... considering about 13 years of technology has passed since what I'm comparing to)

I dont care if people want to compare the two, I own a PODXT Pro and know that it is inferior to the axe-fx in many ways.

My problem is some internet square garden player telling me that some gear is for the common man while in Guitar Player mag pros are explaining that they used PODs for their last album.

Just trying to keep it real here folks

Just like so many of us killing ourselves putting "impressive" rigs together, only to read a Guitar Player cover interview about some current pro using a well mic'ed Fender Champ on the newest great album. That always makes me smile and put all this madness into perspective.

 

[ejecta]

To be honest with you, all of the praise for the AxeFX turns me off to it. I've been "tricked" by this hype/praise before, only to get something I didn't really dig in the long run.

I have to agree. And I'm so sick and tired of it being said that those who dont want to try it or dont like it are not "open minded" or here's some clips guess the real amp. I mean WTF?? Ive had so many digital modeling pieces that I was "open minded" to it's crazy. Ive had POD,s a Tone Lab, a Spider Valve..... I could go on. Hell I still have a Lab Series L5 that solid state that has very cool tone of its own that I use in recordings and would never part. I even now have and love the M13 thats digitally models pedals and OD's. Give me a break.... not open minded.

I've been yelled at on 2 threads here comparing Axe-FX to the Line6 stuff when it came out.

I feel ya. Ive gotten the same.

 

[squealie]

I have to agree. And I'm so sick and tired of it being said that those who dont want to try it or dont like it are not "open minded" or here's some clips guess the real amp. I mean WTF??

For every one of those....there's 2 of

'It's not there yet' or... 'it sounds digital'..

Both sides are condescending as hell. I don't understand the emotional need to belittle everyone who doesn't share your taste in gear. (not you ejecta, just jerks in general)

But I do understand getting pissed when some assbag tells me I've been duped. It makes me nuts, and homicidal.

There are amps that get stroked here every day, for years...that I think are fucking junk. If they make guys happy, who the fuck am I to appear in every thread to antagonize those guys? I don't get it.

 

[mctallica1]

If you were open minded, you would have bought one...............twice.

THAT made me laugh out loud

 

[Gainfreak]

I have to agree. And I'm so sick and tired of it being said that those who dont want to try it or dont like it are not "open minded" or here's some clips guess the real amp. I mean WTF??

For every one of those....there's 2 of

'It's not there yet' or... 'it sounds digital'..

Both sides are condescending as hell. I don't understand the emotional need to belittle everyone who doesn't share your taste in gear. (not you ejecta, just jerks in general)

But I do understand getting pissed when some assbag tells me I've been duped. It makes me nuts, and homicidal.

There are amps that get stroked here every day, for years...that I think are fucking junk. If they make guys happy, who the fuck am I to appear in every thread to antagonize those guys? I don't get it.

You've been duped.........

 

[Mr. Brady]

Couple of things.

I agree with the POD being put out there for the masses. It sounds good and is a very usable tool for any musician. Howevery, they are made cheaply to sell at a lower price point so even a hack guitarist like myself can buy and use them. The tone is ok. It's useable, but certainly not mind blowing.

The axe seems to be well constructed and built with a higher price point and to a higher standard. The price reflects this. The tones are much better than the POD, but don't think they are the end all. I still had flash backs to running through my POD presets when I first ran through the Axe-Fx presets.

The thing about gear is that if you had the perfect amp that did all the tones in your head, somebody out there would say it sounded like crap and they didn't like it. Tone is still subjective to a point. There are certain tones that the majority of guitarist will agree are better than others, but you'll never get everybody to agree on the perfect tone.

Some of the Axe-Fx guys think they have the end all tone box. Having tried it, it's my opinion that it still has some improvements to take it into boutique tube tone territory. It's an exciting time for digital in any event.

 

[squealie]

I predicted the Axe-Fx backlash, and tidal sell-off, a month ago. It's part of the forum-gear culture.

I really hope that it doesn't discourage Cliff. I'm keeping mine.

 

[squealie]

Some of the Axe-Fx guys think they have the end all tone box. Having tried it, it's my opinion that it still has some improvements to take it into boutique tube tone territory. It's an exciting time for digital in any event.

There's always room for improvement.

For myself, the Axe-Fx DELIVERS on all the promises that I DEPENDED on when I bought my Vetta, 4 years ago.

Good tone, versatility, lots of quality I/O, live, recording, easy.

In a perfect world, I'd be playing the world's nicest NMV Marshall, balls out loud, with million$ in gear on both sides of it for recording....and playing it on concert stages with 5 roadies gently blowing on the tubes, while I played searing solos, with Sandra Bullock nuzzling my nuts, while getting implants, while ....

unfortunately, that's not my reality.

 

[Mr. Brady]

For guys that have not tried one, you may like it, it may even bring tears to your eyes.

Tears of frustration.


I kid, I kid.

 

[Digital Jams]

Some of the Axe-Fx guys think they have the end all tone box. Having tried it, it's my opinion that it still has some improvements to take it into boutique tube tone territory. It's an exciting time for digital in any event.

There's always room for improvement.

For myself, the Axe-Fx DELIVERS on all the promises that I DEPENDED on when I bought my Vetta, 4 years ago.

Good tone, versatility, lots of quality I/O, live, recording, easy.

In a perfect world, I'd be playing the world's nicest NMV Marshall, balls out loud, with million$ in gear on both sides of it for recording....and playing it on concert stages with 5 roadies gently blowing on the tubes, while I played searing solos, with Sandra Bullock nuzzling my nuts, while getting implants, while ....

unfortunately, that's not my reality.

You think Sandra needs implants?

 

[Gainfreak]

If Kages setup was Miked up properly then you'd have a point but it wasn't and his rig would cut fine being properly miked up...

I'm kinda confused about that. Are we talking about the recent gig (I didn't read the other thread, sorry.) Why couldn't someone just reach down and move the mic?

Check your PM's!!!

Not going to give Carl any ammo. It's a PA issue and not axe-fx

 

[Shiny_Surface]

This quote is why SOME owners get others all pissed off,

The POD is consumer level gear for the masses. The Axe-FX is boutique level quality build and development made for professional musicians and those that care about their tone on that level.

This is from "another forum" and this makes no sense whatsoever, the POD is sitting in 100s of studios right now and has been played by some of the best players in the land. The Guitar Player that Ed was just in had several interviews with respected guitarists that make their living playing, professional, and both used PODs on their last albums. The guy that wrote this is a nobody in the music world, who this asshat thinks he is kills me.

1. I do not find one person like this on this forum, IMO the most level headed discussions in regards to the axe-fx are on this forum.

2. No I do not think the POD is in the same ballpark as the axe-fx but it is still a very good tool that can be had at a very good price.


Rant over.

Yeah I saw that post over there

 

[Mr. Brady]

Some of the Axe-Fx guys think they have the end all tone box. Having tried it, it's my opinion that it still has some improvements to take it into boutique tube tone territory. It's an exciting time for digital in any event.

There's always room for improvement.

For myself, the Axe-Fx DELIVERS on all the promises that I DEPENDED on when I bought my Vetta, 4 years ago.

Good tone, versatility, lots of quality I/O, live, recording, easy.

In a perfect world, I'd be playing the world's nicest NMV Marshall, balls out loud, with million$ in gear on both sides of it for recording....and playing it on concert stages with 5 roadies gently blowing on the tubes, while I played searing solos, with Sandra Bullock nuzzling my nuts, while getting implants, while ....

unfortunately, that's not my reality.

You think Sandra needs implants?

I still don't know how he expects to be able to pull of a searing solo with Sandra nuzzling his nuts. I for one, could not.

 

[squealie]

You think Sandra needs implants?

I go back and forth.


Not really. I don't mind tiny boobs. And it would give me some psychological leverage with her.

 

[squealie]

I still don't know how he expects to be able to pull of a searing solo with Sandra nuzzling his nuts. I for one, could not.

I said: 'In a perfect world'!!!!

In my reality, I'm trying to play 3 notes in a row, that don't make the fat bitches vomit.

 

[Digital Jams]

You think Sandra needs implants?

I go back and forth.


Not really. I don't mind tiny boobs. And it would give me some psychological leverage with her.

The legs man, she has got LEGS that go forever

 

[squealie]

And another thing, people often hook it up to their nearfield studio monitors at home or to headphones and talk about how some of these units (POD, AxeFX, etc...) don't sound like a real amp. I have a feeling some of these people have never been in a studio with their amp mic'ed in another room and listening back over monitors in the control room.

It's NOT the same thing as being in a room with a blaring amp. I mean, it's pretty unnatural feeling to be listening to your mic'ed amp over monitors. That's what these modelling units emulate and unless they've experienced that with REAL amps, I can see how it all sounds fake to them.

My bottom line is that I could easily use a POD XT on a studio recording and leave satisfied with the tone.

Well said. And often overlooked.

 

[squealie]

The legs man, she has got LEGS that go forever

I think she's adorable.

 

[mentoneman]

And another thing, people often hook it up to their nearfield studio monitors at home or to headphones and talk about how some of these units (POD, AxeFX, etc...) don't sound like a real amp. I have a feeling some of these people have never been in a studio with their amp mic'ed in another room and listening back over monitors in the control room.

It's NOT the same thing as being in a room with a blaring amp. I mean, it's pretty unnatural feeling to be listening to your mic'ed amp over monitors. That's what these modelling units emulate and unless they've experienced that with REAL amps, I can see how it all sounds fake to them.

My bottom line is that I could easily use a POD XT on a studio recording and leave satisfied with the tone.

i have, and did.

 

[timbo]

The Axe is something you have to hear for yourself to decide. I've given feedback about the Line 6 products because I tried them. I tried the X3 Live for a couple days when it came out a year and a half ago and thought it sounded horrible and was built pretty cheap. But that's just my opinion. I wound up buying a JVM halfstack, a G Major for effects and eventually an Eclipse. Got back into the band thing and got very busy gigging at least 4 times a month. Hauling all that stuff around including four guitars for tonal changes got old real fast. I found the compact solution in the AxeFx Ultra combined with a tube poweramp in a rackmount, and running through a 2X12 cab, which for large venues is now mic'd in stereo to house. I only bring two guitars to a gig now with the second being a backup. The Axe in my opinion can do it all, is built to what I would consider top quality spec and has the effects and sims that I think are the best I've ever heard. But it's just my opinion and my ears. Some people say Line 6 rules and Fractal is overpriced and sucks. People can have their opinion, thats fine. I think there are just as many Line 6 "zealots" as there are Fractal "zealots". And in the end, the only person needing convincing is yourself. Fact is, no one ever wants to hear how bad something is, and when they do they get all defensive about it. Yet, when a product is the shit there is no argument. It's just the way it is and it doesn't bother me. I'll try anything regardless of price within reason. If i think it sucks it sucks. If I think it's great it's great. If great is 300 bucks or 2000 that's the way it is. And as for snobbery, that's pretty subjective. What's the snobbery parameter? Anything over a 1000.00? 1000-3000? 5000 +? I know snobs with 78' primered Camaros and 500 SL coupes. My opinion is that if yer a prick, yer a prick.