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[bobbtoz]

I want to find a lower output bucker, I cant go cold turkey with the buckers

Have you tried the Bare Knuckles VHIIs? I think I have a set you can borrow to try. You are welcome to give them a try.

I just ordered VHII's specifically for my Purple JMP Cali. I'm thinking the Cali w/ a low output pickup is where its at!

 

[Gainfreak]

I want to find a lower output bucker, I cant go cold turkey with the buckers

Have you tried the Bare Knuckles VHIIs? I think I have a set you can borrow to try. You are welcome to give them a try.

I just ordered VHII's specifically for my Purple JMP Cali. I'm thinking the Cali w/ a low output pickup is where its at!

I have guitars with low o/p pickups and high o/p pickups and the Cali takes to both very well but it definitely each type of p/u gets two entirely different sounds. The high o/p pickups at the most gained out settings will get compressed sounding and the pickup I use humps up the mids more (not overly compressed like a boog but its their)
My lower o/p PAF type pickup seems to make it less mid heavy/gainy and doesn't compress as much. Both are KILLER but definitely have different flavors.
Im the end though I think I dig the lower o/p pickups a bit mpre and I think that you are on the right track

 

[Anonymous]

What's that dudes name that played with Ozzy live a few times and had killer tone? He used a strat with Floyd's. Can't remember his name, but his sound is what I hear when I think of Mike's Cali mod.

John Holmes

Yup, that's the dude!

Nope. John Holmes is barzini's dream man. Ozzy's guitarist was Joe Holmes...

Steve

 

[loudgtr]

What's that dudes name that played with Ozzy live a few times and had killer tone? He used a strat with Floyd's. Can't remember his name, but his sound is what I hear when I think of Mike's Cali mod.

John Holmes

Yup, that's the dude!

Nope. John Holmes is barzini's dream man. Ozzy's guitarist was Joe Holmes...

Steve

Yeah...after I did a youtube search I saw the slip 'er error

 

[Chubtone]

And Joe Holmes did play with Ozzy more than a few times. he was in the band from 1995-2001 if I remember correctly. Joe Holmes Jose modded Marshalls are one of the best tones I've ever heard. I haven't heard a lot of Fortin clips, but are there any in that vein?

 

[Anonymous]

Joe Holmes Jose modded Marshalls are one of the best tones I've ever heard.

Steve

 

[Gainfreak]

And Joe Holmes did play with Ozzy more than a few times. he was in the band from 1995-2001 if I remember correctly. Joe Holmes Jose modded Marshalls are one of the best tones I've ever heard. I haven't heard a lot of Fortin clips, but are there any in that vein?

Are you going by memory or do you have a clip because I have a live bootleg with Joe playing with ozzy and he plays with an assload of gain IMHO. With that said, I'm pretty sure I can get that tone with the cali mod and some effects but I'm going by the boot I have.

 

[Anonymous]

And Joe Holmes did play with Ozzy more than a few times. he was in the band from 1995-2001 if I remember correctly. Joe Holmes Jose modded Marshalls are one of the best tones I've ever heard. I haven't heard a lot of Fortin clips, but are there any in that vein?

Are you going by memory or do you have a clip because I have a live bootleg with Joe playing with ozzy and he plays with an assload of gain IMHO. With that said, I'm pretty sure I can get that tone with the cali mod and some effects but I'm going by the boot I have.

MY recollections are based on seeing him live, so yes, memory, however, I don't remember the amount of gain being that huge... Not stock super lead, of course, but not 5150 lead channel preamp gain on 7 gain...

Steve

 

[MrDan666]

And Joe Holmes did play with Ozzy more than a few times. he was in the band from 1995-2001 if I remember correctly. Joe Holmes Jose modded Marshalls are one of the best tones I've ever heard. I haven't heard a lot of Fortin clips, but are there any in that vein?

Are you going by memory or do you have a clip because I have a live bootleg with Joe playing with ozzy and he plays with an assload of gain IMHO. With that said, I'm pretty sure I can get that tone with the cali mod and some effects but I'm going by the boot I have.

I have also listened to a lot of bootlegs of Joe playing live with Ozzy and you're right, his tone was definitely on the high gain side of things. Easily the kind of gain my JCM800 Cali Mod puts out with the gains at about 1 o clock.

Not only that, but his tone was pretty wet due to the chorus/delay from his SDE-3000's which he uses.

 

[Chubtone]

Are you going by memory or do you have a clip because I have a live bootleg with Joe playing with ozzy and he plays with an assload of gain IMHO. With that said, I'm pretty sure I can get that tone with the cali mod and some effects but I'm going by the boot I have.

MY recollections are based on seeing him live, so yes, memory, however, I don't remember the amount of gain being that huge... Not stock super lead, of course, but not 5150 lead channel preamp gain on 7 gain...

Steve

Exactly my position on this too Steve. When I saw him live the whole time I was floored by his tone. And when I listen to the youtube clips and listen to the live CD from south America it's the same as what I remember. Definitely more gain than a Super Lead but nowhere near what I'm hearing from the current levels of gain these modern modders are able to get. I'm sure if Jose or Lee Jackson knew how to get as much, smooth, useable gain as the moddern day modders do, they would have done it and we would have used it.

Joe:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AIx5Z4d ... re=related

 

[Digital Jams]

Are you going by memory or do you have a clip because I have a live bootleg with Joe playing with ozzy and he plays with an assload of gain IMHO. With that said, I'm pretty sure I can get that tone with the cali mod and some effects but I'm going by the boot I have.

MY recollections are based on seeing him live, so yes, memory, however, I don't remember the amount of gain being that huge... Not stock super lead, of course, but not 5150 lead channel preamp gain on 7 gain...

Steve

Exactly my position on this too Steve. When I saw him live the whole time I was floored by his tone. And when I listen to the youtube clips and listen to the live CD from south America it's the same as what I remember. Definitely more gain than a Super Lead but nowhere near what I'm hearing from the current levels of gain these modern modders are able to get. I'm sure if Jose or Lee Jackson knew how to get as much, smooth, useable gain as the moddern day modders do, they would have done it and we would have used it.

Joe:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AIx5Z4d ... re=related

I wish I did not have as much gain available when I started playing because I would be a far better palyer like you 80s dudes that fought Superleads and 800s.

Any better quality examples of Joe's tone around, I am not the best tweaker but I am willing to give the tone hunt a shot.

 

[Anonymous]

Are you going by memory or do you have a clip because I have a live bootleg with Joe playing with ozzy and he plays with an assload of gain IMHO. With that said, I'm pretty sure I can get that tone with the cali mod and some effects but I'm going by the boot I have.

MY recollections are based on seeing him live, so yes, memory, however, I don't remember the amount of gain being that huge... Not stock super lead, of course, but not 5150 lead channel preamp gain on 7 gain...

Steve

Exactly my position on this too Steve. When I saw him live the whole time I was floored by his tone. And when I listen to the youtube clips and listen to the live CD from south America it's the same as what I remember. Definitely more gain than a Super Lead but nowhere near what I'm hearing from the current levels of gain these modern modders are able to get. I'm sure if Jose or Lee Jackson knew how to get as much, smooth, useable gain as the moddern day modders do, they would have done it and we would have used it.

Joe:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AIx5Z4d ... re=related

Well... we're just correct, what can ya say...

Just listen to that recording - nowhere near modern levels of gain. Just a bit of rodding to the Super Lead tone for sustain....

I know you guys can't tell how good the guy's tone is from these YouTube clips, but his live tone when I saw him with Ozzy is my number 1 hard rock live tone of all time hands down. I can hear the character of it in the clips, but it is too muddled to appreciate if you haven't heard it live.

I WILL re-create that tone. It is imbedded in my brain...

Steve

 

[Anonymous]

I wish I did not have as much gain available when I started playing because I would be a far better palyer like you 80s dudes that fought Superleads and 800s.

I'm one of the folks who just doesn't believe this matters in the least. Yeah gain can cover up a bit, but if you're not clean, you'll suck it up high gain or low gain. Hell... I sound best now on a completely clean amp...

Any better quality examples of Joe's tone around, I am not the best tweaker but I am willing to give the tone hunt a shot.

I don't think you'll find anything of high enough quality to do justice to the gloriousness of standing in front of it live... Gonna be hard to tweak that tone unless ya heard it and a few good Jose mods live... IMHO...

Steve

 

[Digital Jams]

I wish I did not have as much gain available when I started playing because I would be a far better palyer like you 80s dudes that fought Superleads and 800s.

I'm one of the folks who just doesn't believe this matters in the least. Yeah gain can cover up a bit, but if you're not clean, you'll suck it up high gain or low gain. Hell... I sound best now on a completely clean amp...

Any better quality examples of Joe's tone around, I am not the best tweaker but I am willing to give the tone hunt a shot.

I don't think you'll find anything of high enough quality to do justice to the gloriousness of standing in front of it live... Gonna be hard to tweak that tone unless ya heard it and a few good Jose mods live... IMHO...

Steve

Oh I agree that you and I can sniff out great chops from bad on a high gainer but I cannot do nearly as much on a boosted SL as I can on my JVM or MK IV, not even close. I guess it is getting used to the feel.

All I know is that by listening to guys like you, Ant, Curt, Ralph, etc............you learned on a harder platform than I did and it shows and there is nothing you can say to make me say otherwise I listen to what Ant does with those JMPs and just shake my head.

 

[thiswaythatway]

I wish I did not have as much gain available when I started playing because I would be a far better palyer like you 80s dudes that fought Superleads and 800s.

I'm one of the folks who just doesn't believe this matters in the least. Yeah gain can cover up a bit, but if you're not clean, you'll suck it up high gain or low gain. Hell... I sound best now on a completely clean amp...

Any better quality examples of Joe's tone around, I am not the best tweaker but I am willing to give the tone hunt a shot.

I don't think you'll find anything of high enough quality to do justice to the gloriousness of standing in front of it live... Gonna be hard to tweak that tone unless ya heard it and a few good Jose mods live... IMHO...

Steve

Yeah, i often practiced with just my guitar and no amp jamming along to REH video tapes while i was learning, or playing along to cassette tapes. And live....i could never hear myself anyway! I KNOW what would have made me a better player but i always got distracted away from playing................damm girls And i don't know....some people are just born great players. I bet i could freeze time and practice for 50 years and still want to throw my guitar in the dumpster after listening to Guthrie Govan.

 

[AmpliFIRE]

 

[stephen sawall]

Very very cool .... congratulations

 

[Shiny_Surface]

Not to stray too far off topic, but I love the way Joe Holmes plays the ozzy material very close to the original compositions. Great player and tone imo.

Anyone know if Holmes is doing anything musically these days? I saw a recent youtube vid of him and Robert Trujillo hanging out on the side of the stage during a Snot concert, lol. So he's still alive and going to shows at least.

 

[Digital Jams]

Not to stray too far off topic, but I love the way Joe Holmes plays the ozzy material very close to the original compositions. Great player and tone imo.

Anyone know if Holmes is doing anything musically these days? I saw a recent youtube vid of him and Robert Trujillo hanging out on the side of the stage during a Snot concert, lol. So he's still alive and going to shows at least.

Apparently he is/was in the studio, you can read this thread:

http://www.hugeracksinc.com/forum/viewt ... sc&start=0

Man his studio bill must be huge.

 

[Gainfreak]

And Joe Holmes did play with Ozzy more than a few times. he was in the band from 1995-2001 if I remember correctly. Joe Holmes Jose modded Marshalls are one of the best tones I've ever heard. I haven't heard a lot of Fortin clips, but are there any in that vein?

Are you going by memory or do you have a clip because I have a live bootleg with Joe playing with ozzy and he plays with an assload of gain IMHO. With that said, I'm pretty sure I can get that tone with the cali mod and some effects but I'm going by the boot I have.

MY recollections are based on seeing him live, so yes, memory, however, I don't remember the amount of gain being that huge... Not stock super lead, of course, but not 5150 lead channel preamp gain on 7 gain...

Steve

Definitely not 5150 type gain but definitely more then a s/l even with a boost. I have a live bootleg with Joe from 96 and the tone is definitely rodded and gainy. The tone definitely has enough gain and is something that Id more then likely feel comfortable palying on.
FWIW, The Jose master volume with the diode clipping can get a lot of gain.
If you humor me for a second, when you build your rodded Marshall, try Jose's master volume or better yet, try the original Jose mod that's on the net and id be willing to bet it yields a lot more gain then you think.