To Budda or Not To Budda?

[jerrydyer]

I thought I was agreeing with you regarding the post you reposted. Ill go re read it.

 

[sixstrings]

Unless you have some valid first-hand technical reason why Peavey makes inferior amps than Budda, then it's pretty ignorant to go off saying anything of the sort.

Below is a quote from a post on the gear page. Pretty interesting. Care to comment and cure mine and the original poster's "ignorance"?

Peavey is a large-scale corporation manufacturer. They have a different mentality and mindset than your typical small boutique "cut no corners, make no sacrifices in the name of tone" outfit. If they can get a component that will "work" for a lesser price, they'll do it. "Sound's okay to me" vs "Ultimate Tone" battles, etc. I know Jeff. He'd toss a tranny if wasn't producing what his ears expected, regardless of what its specs read. He'd abandon a shipment of them (seen him do it) if they didn't sound right. Same with tubes. He knows what he wants in his amps. Peavey imports tubes from China in bulk and puts a Peavey badge on them. Their quality control wasn't up to what Jeff wanted. "They sound brittle" wouldn't fly; can't use 'em. That ain't gonna happen at Peavey. They were the right "type" of tube and they were matched - end of discussion. If it meets spec and works - go with it. Jeff ran into problems with them acquiring the wrong type of wood, or wood that hadn't been properly cured and was still "wet", and sounded dull and non-resonant as a result. He's really particular about cabinets. The list went on. The butting of heads became constant and petty. So, sadly, they parted ways.
All that said, apparently Peavey's custom shop is scrambling now. A lot of those guys are apparently gone as well. As such, their response time to endorsing artists has gotten to be fairly long. Their response time to the general public - previously something in which Jeff took great pride, had fallen precipitously.

When the "built with highest quality and close attention to detail" folks merge with General Motors Corporation (or generic music corporation) types in partnerships, more often than not, it ain't pretty.

It sounds like hearsay to me, but it doesn't matter now any way. Obviously Jeff wasn't satisfied with something, and it's probably due to the usual two things people part ways with companies: money and control. There were quality control issues before Jeff left, and since Peavey has picked up the production, I haven't seen any quality control issues.

You can quote hearsay all you want, but unless you crack those amps open and VERIFY thay they've cut corners and sacrificed quality for some shitty components, then you really don't know jack shit. Therefore it is ignorance.

Common sense would dictate that Jeff and Scott were sensible enough to consider before going into the Peavey deal that control would be the biggest issue they would face. As far as I know, they went into it to save Budda. From the product I've seen since and the production they've met thus far, it would seem they have.

Whatever transpired along the way is really unknown because I haven't yet seen a public, matter-of-fact statement from Jeff or Scott in regards to Budda amplifiers. As far as anyone really knows, they had differences of some kind and left the company. Until you hear or read officially that Jeff denounces Peavey Budda amplifiers for their quality or whatever specific reasons, there's really nothing left to say.

Keep in mind that I don't play Peavey amplifiers or endorse them in any way. I think they're quite capable of making good guitars & amplifiers, but also make a bunch of cheap shit too. In any case, I can't say that they're any worse than Fender for doing the same thing.

I also don't endorse Budda. I think Budda amps, pre-Peavey or Peavey alike, are great amps. I've played them all and think they still sound, look and play great.

Perhaps Peavey did fuck up the entire legacy of Budda amps, or perhaps they saved it. We don't really know yet. The simple fact is that ANYONE can be in the boutique business - whether it's a guy in a garage or a major manufacturer whose been making gear for 40+ years. It all depends on how much they care for doing it right.

I'm sure there are a ton of people who will swear by Peavey guitars and amps. Go argue with them. All I was telling the OP was that the V Series were a viable option before you came along with the propaganda.

The V Series are great amps and I challenge you to prove otherwise.

 

[stratotone]

I said personally I'd stick with the old ones. If that's ignorance and propoganda, whatever. I don't have any Budda amps for sale nor am I a dealer. I think you'd be hard pressed to find someone who had a choice between a boutique amp that was built by the original company or one built by a conglomerate like Peavey.

Just curious, are you still trying to sell those V-series Buddas? I think you're giving a bit of a biased opinion if you're defending stuff you're trying to sell or sold.

Oh, and before you cry that I'm a Peavey basher again, I've owned the following Peavey gear - and it's a partial list. Like 99% of the people on this board, I've owned Peavey gear. I never said their stuff was shit, just that I wouldn't buy a 'boutique' amp from them. I take that back, if they used their ability to source parts and labor cheaply and made the Budda amps at a much lower pricepoint than before the buyout, I'd consider it. But if I could buy used for the same price or less, forget it, I want the real deal.

Partial list of Peavey gear I've owned:

Wolfgang standard in black w/floyd
Wolfgang standard in blue, non trem
Wolfgang standard in red, w/floyd
Wolfgang special USA in green floyd
Wolfgang special USA in red floyd
Wolfgang special USA in amber floyd
Wolfgang special USA black custom paint floyd
Wolfgang special USA in purple (STILL OWN)

Amps:

VTM 120
VTM 60 (STILL OWN)
Rockmaster Preamp
5150 block letter
JSX
Ultra
Triumph 112 combo
Stereo Chorus 212
Backstage Chorus 210
Heritage VTX 2x12
Classic 60/60 poweramp
Classic 120/120 poweramp (heavy as shit!)

 

[sixstrings]

I said personally I'd stick with the old ones. If that's ignorance and propoganda, whatever. I don't have any Budda amps for sale nor am I a dealer. I think you'd be hard pressed to find someone who had a choice between a boutique amp that was built by the original company or one built by a conglomerate like Peavey.

Just curious, are you still trying to sell those V-series Buddas? I think you're giving a bit of a biased opinion if you're defending stuff you're trying to sell or sold.

Oh, and before you cry that I'm a Peavey basher again, I've owned the following Peavey gear - and it's a partial list. Like 99% of the people on this board, I've owned Peavey gear. I never said their stuff was shit, just that I wouldn't buy a 'boutique' amp from them. I take that back, if they used their ability to source parts and labor cheaply and made the Budda amps at a much lower pricepoint than before the buyout, I'd consider it. But if I could buy used for the same price or less, forget it, I want the real deal.

Partial list of Peavey gear I've owned:

Wolfgang standard in black w/floyd
Wolfgang standard in blue, non trem
Wolfgang standard in red, w/floyd
Wolfgang special USA in green floyd
Wolfgang special USA in red floyd
Wolfgang special USA in amber floyd
Wolfgang special USA black custom paint floyd
Wolfgang special USA in purple (STILL OWN)

Amps:

VTM 120
VTM 60 (STILL OWN)
Rockmaster Preamp
5150 block letter
JSX
Ultra
Triumph 112 combo
Stereo Chorus 212
Backstage Chorus 210
Heritage VTX 2x12
Classic 60/60 poweramp
Classic 120/120 poweramp (heavy as shit!)

Dude you're a petty little prick for asserting shit like that. I'll defend a lot of things if someone comes along mouthing off ignorant shit. I don't need to do shit to sell the Buddas, they sell themselves. I only have a handful of them left. My opinion isn't predicated on profit - OBVIOUSLY since most of the shit I have left for trade/sale is NOT Budda.

No one gives a shit about what you claim to have owned either. It doesn't support your ridiculous claim.

The pre-Peavey stuff is all bullshit. It's like the VHT/Fryette deal. When Fryette had that lawsuit thing with VHT, it was easy to hate the new VHT. I was one of them and I now realize how ignorant it was. Whatever the deal is between VHT and Fryette, doesn't mean a damned thing because VHT makes great sounding amps, handwired and at very fair prices. No matter how much you like Fryette, there's nothing you can really say against VHT when they're doing things right.

I've owned a lot of pre-Peavey Buddas and Peavey Buddas and can't tell a damned bit of difference between the two. I challenge anyone to. In fact, I challenge anyone to PROVE that Peavey has done anything more than produce the same or better quality amps.

Anyone can be a boutique builder - a guy in a garage or a dude like Peavey whose been building gear for 40 years. It all depends on how much they care about what they make, and so far Peavey has done a great job. Unless you can PROVE otherwise, shut up about it because whatever you think you know about it is based on ignorant assumptions.

 

[stratotone]

I said personally I'd stick with the old ones. If that's ignorance and propoganda, whatever. I don't have any Budda amps for sale nor am I a dealer. I think you'd be hard pressed to find someone who had a choice between a boutique amp that was built by the original company or one built by a conglomerate like Peavey.

Just curious, are you still trying to sell those V-series Buddas? I think you're giving a bit of a biased opinion if you're defending stuff you're trying to sell or sold.

Oh, and before you cry that I'm a Peavey basher again, I've owned the following Peavey gear - and it's a partial list. Like 99% of the people on this board, I've owned Peavey gear. I never said their stuff was shit, just that I wouldn't buy a 'boutique' amp from them. I take that back, if they used their ability to source parts and labor cheaply and made the Budda amps at a much lower pricepoint than before the buyout, I'd consider it. But if I could buy used for the same price or less, forget it, I want the real deal.

Partial list of Peavey gear I've owned:

Wolfgang standard in black w/floyd
Wolfgang standard in blue, non trem
Wolfgang standard in red, w/floyd
Wolfgang special USA in green floyd
Wolfgang special USA in red floyd
Wolfgang special USA in amber floyd
Wolfgang special USA black custom paint floyd
Wolfgang special USA in purple (STILL OWN)

Amps:

VTM 120
VTM 60 (STILL OWN)
Rockmaster Preamp
5150 block letter
JSX
Ultra
Triumph 112 combo
Stereo Chorus 212
Backstage Chorus 210
Heritage VTX 2x12
Classic 60/60 poweramp
Classic 120/120 poweramp (heavy as shit!)

Dude you're a petty little prick for asserting shit like that. I'll defend a lot of things if someone comes along mouthing off ignorant shit. I don't need to do shit to sell the Buddas, they sell themselves. I only have a handful of them left. My opinion isn't predicated on profit - OBVIOUSLY since most of the shit I have left for trade/sale is NOT Budda.

No one gives a shit about what you claim to have owned either. It doesn't support your ridiculous claim.

The pre-Peavey stuff is all bullshit. It's like the VHT/Fryette deal. When Fryette had that lawsuit thing with VHT, it was easy to hate the new VHT. I was one of them and I now realize how ignorant it was. Whatever the deal is between VHT and Fryette, doesn't mean a damned thing because VHT makes great sounding amps, handwired and at very fair prices. No matter how much you like Fryette, there's nothing you can really say against VHT when they're doing things right.

I've owned a lot of pre-Peavey Buddas and Peavey Buddas and can't tell a damned bit of difference between the two. I challenge anyone to. In fact, I challenge anyone to PROVE that Peavey has done anything more than produce the same or better quality amps.

Anyone can be a boutique builder - a guy in a garage or a dude like Peavey whose been building gear for 40 years. It all depends on how much they care about what they make, and so far Peavey has done a great job. Unless you can PROVE otherwise, shut up about it because whatever you think you know about it is based on ignorant assumptions.

Yeah, I'm sure Hartley who has been building gear for 40 years is wiring up each Budda amp on his workbench. Peavey makes a good product at a good price point. They aren't a boutique builder, and I'd avoid any boutique builder that Peavey bought, or at least at the same price they were before.

You keep dodging this... given a choice, would someone buy a boutique amp from a small company where you call and talk to the owner/guy who builds them, or a large conglomerate like Peavey? Heck, let's go even further...

Go ahead in time 2 years, we have two Budda Superdrive 80s. One was built by Budda before Peavey, one was built after. Do you care to guess which one is going to be worth more?

I know you don't care what gear I've owned, I mentioned that because you kept holding up that I'm a Peavey Basher like it was some strange mantra. I'm not and I never have been. But their niche is not boutique gear!

How am I a petty little prick for mentioning that OMG, you are selling the V-series Budda amps and ya just MIGHT have a conflict of interest when you're discussing these?

BTW, you may not notice a difference on the first Peavey amps because they are probably using up what was left in Budda's parts bins. I'd like to see what they use when those parts are gone. Since you have a supernatural knowledge of all things Peavey and Budda, are they getting their transformers from the same source? What about PCBs, pots, wood for cabs, etc? You don't seem to understand this - Peavey (and you by proxy) are going to have to prove that the amps are as good as they ever were, it's not the consumer that needs to do this. Here's your chance, smart guy who says shit a lot - prove it.

Pete

 

[sixstrings]

I said personally I'd stick with the old ones. If that's ignorance and propoganda, whatever. I don't have any Budda amps for sale nor am I a dealer. I think you'd be hard pressed to find someone who had a choice between a boutique amp that was built by the original company or one built by a conglomerate like Peavey.

Just curious, are you still trying to sell those V-series Buddas? I think you're giving a bit of a biased opinion if you're defending stuff you're trying to sell or sold.

Oh, and before you cry that I'm a Peavey basher again, I've owned the following Peavey gear - and it's a partial list. Like 99% of the people on this board, I've owned Peavey gear. I never said their stuff was shit, just that I wouldn't buy a 'boutique' amp from them. I take that back, if they used their ability to source parts and labor cheaply and made the Budda amps at a much lower pricepoint than before the buyout, I'd consider it. But if I could buy used for the same price or less, forget it, I want the real deal.

Partial list of Peavey gear I've owned:

Wolfgang standard in black w/floyd
Wolfgang standard in blue, non trem
Wolfgang standard in red, w/floyd
Wolfgang special USA in green floyd
Wolfgang special USA in red floyd
Wolfgang special USA in amber floyd
Wolfgang special USA black custom paint floyd
Wolfgang special USA in purple (STILL OWN)

Amps:

VTM 120
VTM 60 (STILL OWN)
Rockmaster Preamp
5150 block letter
JSX
Ultra
Triumph 112 combo
Stereo Chorus 212
Backstage Chorus 210
Heritage VTX 2x12
Classic 60/60 poweramp
Classic 120/120 poweramp (heavy as shit!)

Dude you're a petty little prick for asserting shit like that. I'll defend a lot of things if someone comes along mouthing off ignorant shit. I don't need to do shit to sell the Buddas, they sell themselves. I only have a handful of them left. My opinion isn't predicated on profit - OBVIOUSLY since most of the shit I have left for trade/sale is NOT Budda.

No one gives a shit about what you claim to have owned either. It doesn't support your ridiculous claim.

The pre-Peavey stuff is all bullshit. It's like the VHT/Fryette deal. When Fryette had that lawsuit thing with VHT, it was easy to hate the new VHT. I was one of them and I now realize how ignorant it was. Whatever the deal is between VHT and Fryette, doesn't mean a damned thing because VHT makes great sounding amps, handwired and at very fair prices. No matter how much you like Fryette, there's nothing you can really say against VHT when they're doing things right.

I've owned a lot of pre-Peavey Buddas and Peavey Buddas and can't tell a damned bit of difference between the two. I challenge anyone to. In fact, I challenge anyone to PROVE that Peavey has done anything more than produce the same or better quality amps.

Anyone can be a boutique builder - a guy in a garage or a dude like Peavey whose been building gear for 40 years. It all depends on how much they care about what they make, and so far Peavey has done a great job. Unless you can PROVE otherwise, shut up about it because whatever you think you know about it is based on ignorant assumptions.

Yeah, I'm sure Hartley who has been building gear for 40 years is wiring up each Budda amp on his workbench. Peavey makes a good product at a good price point. They aren't a boutique builder, and I'd avoid any boutique builder that Peavey bought, or at least at the same price they were before.

You keep dodging this... given a choice, would someone buy a boutique amp from a small company where you call and talk to the owner/guy who builds them, or a large conglomerate like Peavey? Heck, let's go even further...

Go ahead in time 2 years, we have two Budda Superdrive 80s. One was built by Budda before Peavey, one was built after. Do you care to guess which one is going to be worth more?

I know you don't care what gear I've owned, I mentioned that because you kept holding up that I'm a Peavey Basher like it was some strange mantra. I'm not and I never have been. But their niche is not boutique gear!

How am I a petty little prick for mentioning that OMG, you are selling the V-series Budda amps and ya just MIGHT have a conflict of interest when you're discussing these?

BTW, you may not notice a difference on the first Peavey amps because they are probably using up what was left in Budda's parts bins. I'd like to see what they use when those parts are gone. Since you have a supernatural knowledge of all things Peavey and Budda, are they getting their transformers from the same source? What about PCBs, pots, wood for cabs, etc? You don't seem to understand this - Peavey (and you by proxy) are going to have to prove that the amps are as good as they ever were, it's not the consumer that needs to do this. Here's your chance, smart guy who says shit a lot - prove it.

Pete

Why would Peavey have to use a left-over stash of parts when Budda ordered all of their parts from different sources? It's not like Budda built all the parts dude. Peavey an order the same parts. In fact, Budda was having a lot of trouble procuring parts so they sought out Peavey to help with that.

As far as the future, that's unknown dude. I can't and wasn't speaking for the future of Budda amps. Your stupid argument was about the pre-Peavey Budda bullshit and doesn't hold water. From the point that Peavey began making Budda amps up until now, there has been anything wrong with them. It would be foolish to argue what the future holds. What I can argue is what Peavey has done thus far.

Also, your "conflict of interest" statement was not only pathetic but unnecessary. So yeah, it was petty. Don't try to act like it was some innocent inquiry. You knew exactly what you were trying to accomplish with that bullshit. Besides, what do you expect people to do? So according to you it's taboo to discuss any particular brand of gear you happen to be trading/selling?

Please, give me a break. Next time handle your arguments like a man and don't resort to that petty shit. You brought up the argument, so either prove the superiority of pre-Peavey Buddas or retract your ignorant statement.

 

[glassjaw7]

Hunter, I still say go with the '69 spec Marshall cab with M75's

 

[stratotone]

I said personally I'd stick with the old ones. If that's ignorance and propoganda, whatever. I don't have any Budda amps for sale nor am I a dealer. I think you'd be hard pressed to find someone who had a choice between a boutique amp that was built by the original company or one built by a conglomerate like Peavey.

Just curious, are you still trying to sell those V-series Buddas? I think you're giving a bit of a biased opinion if you're defending stuff you're trying to sell or sold.

Oh, and before you cry that I'm a Peavey basher again, I've owned the following Peavey gear - and it's a partial list. Like 99% of the people on this board, I've owned Peavey gear. I never said their stuff was shit, just that I wouldn't buy a 'boutique' amp from them. I take that back, if they used their ability to source parts and labor cheaply and made the Budda amps at a much lower pricepoint than before the buyout, I'd consider it. But if I could buy used for the same price or less, forget it, I want the real deal.

Partial list of Peavey gear I've owned:

Wolfgang standard in black w/floyd
Wolfgang standard in blue, non trem
Wolfgang standard in red, w/floyd
Wolfgang special USA in green floyd
Wolfgang special USA in red floyd
Wolfgang special USA in amber floyd
Wolfgang special USA black custom paint floyd
Wolfgang special USA in purple (STILL OWN)

Amps:

VTM 120
VTM 60 (STILL OWN)
Rockmaster Preamp
5150 block letter
JSX
Ultra
Triumph 112 combo
Stereo Chorus 212
Backstage Chorus 210
Heritage VTX 2x12
Classic 60/60 poweramp
Classic 120/120 poweramp (heavy as shit!)

Dude you're a petty little prick for asserting shit like that. I'll defend a lot of things if someone comes along mouthing off ignorant shit. I don't need to do shit to sell the Buddas, they sell themselves. I only have a handful of them left. My opinion isn't predicated on profit - OBVIOUSLY since most of the shit I have left for trade/sale is NOT Budda.

No one gives a shit about what you claim to have owned either. It doesn't support your ridiculous claim.

The pre-Peavey stuff is all bullshit. It's like the VHT/Fryette deal. When Fryette had that lawsuit thing with VHT, it was easy to hate the new VHT. I was one of them and I now realize how ignorant it was. Whatever the deal is between VHT and Fryette, doesn't mean a damned thing because VHT makes great sounding amps, handwired and at very fair prices. No matter how much you like Fryette, there's nothing you can really say against VHT when they're doing things right.

I've owned a lot of pre-Peavey Buddas and Peavey Buddas and can't tell a damned bit of difference between the two. I challenge anyone to. In fact, I challenge anyone to PROVE that Peavey has done anything more than produce the same or better quality amps.

Anyone can be a boutique builder - a guy in a garage or a dude like Peavey whose been building gear for 40 years. It all depends on how much they care about what they make, and so far Peavey has done a great job. Unless you can PROVE otherwise, shut up about it because whatever you think you know about it is based on ignorant assumptions.

Yeah, I'm sure Hartley who has been building gear for 40 years is wiring up each Budda amp on his workbench. Peavey makes a good product at a good price point. They aren't a boutique builder, and I'd avoid any boutique builder that Peavey bought, or at least at the same price they were before.

You keep dodging this... given a choice, would someone buy a boutique amp from a small company where you call and talk to the owner/guy who builds them, or a large conglomerate like Peavey? Heck, let's go even further...

Go ahead in time 2 years, we have two Budda Superdrive 80s. One was built by Budda before Peavey, one was built after. Do you care to guess which one is going to be worth more?

I know you don't care what gear I've owned, I mentioned that because you kept holding up that I'm a Peavey Basher like it was some strange mantra. I'm not and I never have been. But their niche is not boutique gear!

How am I a petty little prick for mentioning that OMG, you are selling the V-series Budda amps and ya just MIGHT have a conflict of interest when you're discussing these?

BTW, you may not notice a difference on the first Peavey amps because they are probably using up what was left in Budda's parts bins. I'd like to see what they use when those parts are gone. Since you have a supernatural knowledge of all things Peavey and Budda, are they getting their transformers from the same source? What about PCBs, pots, wood for cabs, etc? You don't seem to understand this - Peavey (and you by proxy) are going to have to prove that the amps are as good as they ever were, it's not the consumer that needs to do this. Here's your chance, smart guy who says shit a lot - prove it.

Pete

Why would Peavey have to use a left-over stash of parts when Budda ordered all of their parts from different sources? It's not like Budda built all the parts dude. Peavey an order the same parts. In fact, Budda was having a lot of trouble procuring parts so they sought out Peavey to help with that.

As far as the future, that's unknown dude. I can't and wasn't speaking for the future of Budda amps. Your stupid argument was about the pre-Peavey Budda bullshit and doesn't hold water. From the point that Peavey began making Budda amps up until now, there has been anything wrong with them. It would be foolish to argue what the future holds. What I can argue is what Peavey has done thus far.

Also, your "conflict of interest" statement was not only pathetic but unnecessary. So yeah, it was petty. Don't try to act like it was some innocent inquiry. You knew exactly what you were trying to accomplish with that bullshit. Besides, what do you expect people to do? So according to you it's taboo to discuss any particular brand of gear you happen to be trading/selling?

Please, give me a break. Next time handle your arguments like a man and don't resort to that petty shit. You brought up the argument, so either prove the superiority of pre-Peavey Buddas or retract your ignorant statement.

You're right, Peavey would have thrown away any parts inventory Budda had. Jeff probably bought parts for each amp one at a time, and when they built their last amp they were out of parts. What a superior intellect you have. What's next Rain Man, going to drop your tampons and count them before they hit the ground?

I thought it bore mentioning that, amazingly and strangely enough, you happened to be a dealer who sold the very amps you're all atwitter about, and a Big Shot Important Dealer who sells through message board classifieds at that. Ya just might have a reason to push the V series. I know, I'm grasping at straws here, you're the type of standup guy that if you didn't like the V series you'd go ahead and tell the truth even while selling them, right?

You're still not answering the question - are they still using the same parts they used before or are they using cheaper substitutes? Surely you can take your mouth off Peavey's chocolate starfish long enough to find out, right? I mean, I'm just some civilian here, but you have gone on about how much more you know about this situation than I do. Great! Enlighten us! Teach us, oh master of the thermionic emission device!

Do you really think that Peavey, maker of consumer electronics the world over, basically the Wal-Mart of music gear (sorry but it's true) is going to by gosh use the bestest parts just as good or better than Budda used to and hartley peavey is going to fly down from the heavens and bless each amp with his magic wand?

Marketing meeting at Peavey - a likely scenario but obviously fiction so I don't get sued:

Hartley Peavey: So, how are those new Budda amps going?
Marketing drone 1: Pretty good sir, but the parts are much more expensive than anything else we build. Sales are up but our margins are low.
Hartley Peavey: That's just fine. I want to be sure that by golly, each Budda amp is built just like when they were a smaller company. That a small dedicated team of professionals (and the dude who played guitar for Ministry) band together and darn it, make amps even better than before we bought them at the great low price we can provide due to our buying power for parts and raw materials. I don't want to be the biggest seller of musical gear, I want to be the best.
pause
Enormous ruckus as entire room of marketing folk and salesmen laugh and guffaw for several minutes
Hartley Peavey: Seriously, cut the fucking costs on those amps. I'm here to make a profit, not save small companies. Make them as good as we can as cheap as we can. Cosmetics have to be the same so we can keep brand identity. Put the old SDII budda logo back on the chassis and fire the guy who wanted them changed in the first place. Oh, and bias the tubes as cold as shit so they last through warranty. Be sure there is no mention of Peavey on our Budda website too. Not everyone is as stupid as that sixstrings fellow on Rig-talk. Speaking of him, it's about time for my daily ass polishing. I hope he remembered to bring mints, that makes it tingle. I hope he wears the schoolgirl outfit again. I think I'll ride him like a pony past the water cooler.

Pete

 

[hunter]

Hunter, I still say go with the '69 spec Marshall cab with M75's

Thanks for bringing this back on topic dude, the private war in here gets kinda annoying and repetitive

Wondering if those Scumback cabs are available in Europe? I'm not keen on shipping one over here myself, it's gonna kill for cost.

 

[NikLaw1]

I said personally I'd stick with the old ones. If that's ignorance and propoganda, whatever. I don't have any Budda amps for sale nor am I a dealer. I think you'd be hard pressed to find someone who had a choice between a boutique amp that was built by the original company or one built by a conglomerate like Peavey.

Just curious, are you still trying to sell those V-series Buddas? I think you're giving a bit of a biased opinion if you're defending stuff you're trying to sell or sold.

Oh, and before you cry that I'm a Peavey basher again, I've owned the following Peavey gear - and it's a partial list. Like 99% of the people on this board, I've owned Peavey gear. I never said their stuff was shit, just that I wouldn't buy a 'boutique' amp from them. I take that back, if they used their ability to source parts and labor cheaply and made the Budda amps at a much lower pricepoint than before the buyout, I'd consider it. But if I could buy used for the same price or less, forget it, I want the real deal.

Partial list of Peavey gear I've owned:

Wolfgang standard in black w/floyd
Wolfgang standard in blue, non trem
Wolfgang standard in red, w/floyd
Wolfgang special USA in green floyd
Wolfgang special USA in red floyd
Wolfgang special USA in amber floyd
Wolfgang special USA black custom paint floyd
Wolfgang special USA in purple (STILL OWN)

Amps:

VTM 120
VTM 60 (STILL OWN)
Rockmaster Preamp
5150 block letter
JSX
Ultra
Triumph 112 combo
Stereo Chorus 212
Backstage Chorus 210
Heritage VTX 2x12
Classic 60/60 poweramp
Classic 120/120 poweramp (heavy as shit!)

Dude you're a petty little prick for asserting shit like that. I'll defend a lot of things if someone comes along mouthing off ignorant shit. I don't need to do shit to sell the Buddas, they sell themselves. I only have a handful of them left. My opinion isn't predicated on profit - OBVIOUSLY since most of the shit I have left for trade/sale is NOT Budda.

No one gives a shit about what you claim to have owned either. It doesn't support your ridiculous claim.

The pre-Peavey stuff is all bullshit. It's like the VHT/Fryette deal. When Fryette had that lawsuit thing with VHT, it was easy to hate the new VHT. I was one of them and I now realize how ignorant it was. Whatever the deal is between VHT and Fryette, doesn't mean a damned thing because VHT makes great sounding amps, handwired and at very fair prices. No matter how much you like Fryette, there's nothing you can really say against VHT when they're doing things right.

I've owned a lot of pre-Peavey Buddas and Peavey Buddas and can't tell a damned bit of difference between the two. I challenge anyone to. In fact, I challenge anyone to PROVE that Peavey has done anything more than produce the same or better quality amps.

Anyone can be a boutique builder - a guy in a garage or a dude like Peavey whose been building gear for 40 years. It all depends on how much they care about what they make, and so far Peavey has done a great job. Unless you can PROVE otherwise, shut up about it because whatever you think you know about it is based on ignorant assumptions.

Yeah, I'm sure Hartley who has been building gear for 40 years is wiring up each Budda amp on his workbench. Peavey makes a good product at a good price point. They aren't a boutique builder, and I'd avoid any boutique builder that Peavey bought, or at least at the same price they were before.

You keep dodging this... given a choice, would someone buy a boutique amp from a small company where you call and talk to the owner/guy who builds them, or a large conglomerate like Peavey? Heck, let's go even further...

Go ahead in time 2 years, we have two Budda Superdrive 80s. One was built by Budda before Peavey, one was built after. Do you care to guess which one is going to be worth more?

I know you don't care what gear I've owned, I mentioned that because you kept holding up that I'm a Peavey Basher like it was some strange mantra. I'm not and I never have been. But their niche is not boutique gear!

How am I a petty little prick for mentioning that OMG, you are selling the V-series Budda amps and ya just MIGHT have a conflict of interest when you're discussing these?

BTW, you may not notice a difference on the first Peavey amps because they are probably using up what was left in Budda's parts bins. I'd like to see what they use when those parts are gone. Since you have a supernatural knowledge of all things Peavey and Budda, are they getting their transformers from the same source? What about PCBs, pots, wood for cabs, etc? You don't seem to understand this - Peavey (and you by proxy) are going to have to prove that the amps are as good as they ever were, it's not the consumer that needs to do this. Here's your chance, smart guy who says shit a lot - prove it.

Pete

Why would Peavey have to use a left-over stash of parts when Budda ordered all of their parts from different sources? It's not like Budda built all the parts dude. Peavey an order the same parts. In fact, Budda was having a lot of trouble procuring parts so they sought out Peavey to help with that.

As far as the future, that's unknown dude. I can't and wasn't speaking for the future of Budda amps. Your stupid argument was about the pre-Peavey Budda bullshit and doesn't hold water. From the point that Peavey began making Budda amps up until now, there has been anything wrong with them. It would be foolish to argue what the future holds. What I can argue is what Peavey has done thus far.

Also, your "conflict of interest" statement was not only pathetic but unnecessary. So yeah, it was petty. Don't try to act like it was some innocent inquiry. You knew exactly what you were trying to accomplish with that bullshit. Besides, what do you expect people to do? So according to you it's taboo to discuss any particular brand of gear you happen to be trading/selling?

Please, give me a break. Next time handle your arguments like a man and don't resort to that petty shit. You brought up the argument, so either prove the superiority of pre-Peavey Buddas or retract your ignorant statement.

You're right, Peavey would have thrown away any parts inventory Budda had. Jeff probably bought parts for each amp one at a time, and when they built their last amp they were out of parts. What a superior intellect you have. What's next Rain Man, going to drop your tampons and count them before they hit the ground?

I thought it bore mentioning that, amazingly and strangely enough, you happened to be a dealer who sold the very amps you're all atwitter about, and a Big Shot Important Dealer who sells through message board classifieds at that. Ya just might have a reason to push the V series. I know, I'm grasping at straws here, you're the type of standup guy that if you didn't like the V series you'd go ahead and tell the truth even while selling them, right?

You're still not answering the question - are they still using the same parts they used before or are they using cheaper substitutes? Surely you can take your mouth off Peavey's chocolate starfish long enough to find out, right? I mean, I'm just some civilian here, but you have gone on about how much more you know about this situation than I do. Great! Enlighten us! Teach us, oh master of the thermionic emission device!

Do you really think that Peavey, maker of consumer electronics the world over, basically the Wal-Mart of music gear (sorry but it's true) is going to by gosh use the bestest parts just as good or better than Budda used to and hartley peavey is going to fly down from the heavens and bless each amp with his magic wand?

Marketing meeting at Peavey - a likely scenario but obviously fiction so I don't get sued:

Hartley Peavey: So, how are those new Budda amps going?
Marketing drone 1: Pretty good sir, but the parts are much more expensive than anything else we build. Sales are up but our margins are low.
Hartley Peavey: That's just fine. I want to be sure that by golly, each Budda amp is built just like when they were a smaller company. That a small dedicated team of professionals (and the dude who played guitar for Ministry) band together and darn it, make amps even better than before we bought them at the great low price we can provide due to our buying power for parts and raw materials. I don't want to be the biggest seller of musical gear, I want to be the best.
pause
Enormous ruckus as entire room of marketing folk and salesmen laugh and guffaw for several minutes
Hartley Peavey: Seriously, cut the fucking costs on those amps. I'm here to make a profit, not save small companies. Make them as good as we can as cheap as we can. Cosmetics have to be the same so we can keep brand identity. Put the old SDII budda logo back on the chassis and fire the guy who wanted them changed in the first place. Oh, and bias the tubes as cold as shit so they last through warranty. Be sure there is no mention of Peavey on our Budda website too. Not everyone is as stupid as that sixstrings fellow on Rig-talk. Speaking of him, it's about time for my daily ass polishing. I hope he remembered to bring mints, that makes it tingle. I hope he wears the schoolgirl outfit again. I think I'll ride him like a pony past the water cooler.

Pete

+1 Pete,
I sold my SD45 and Matching 4X12 The very second I found out from Jeff. I know it was "Pre-Peavey", but regardless. Im not owning anything "Boutique" that has a name attached to Peavey. Again just like everyone here, I too have owned Peavey P.A.'s and small combo amps. They're great for what they are... cheap run of the mill gear to "get you by"

-N

 

[lordriffenstein]

What about a nice new/used guitar instead? Or a really nice Fender Tweed/blackface style amp to compliment the high gain heads you already have.

Hmmm or a nice Plexi

Now you are talking sense, you need a Marshall, everybody does!! Just wait and see and listen and buy

 

[stratotone]

What about a nice new/used guitar instead? Or a really nice Fender Tweed/blackface style amp to compliment the high gain heads you already have.

Hmmm or a nice Plexi

Now you are talking sense, you need a Marshall, everybody does!! Just wait and see and listen and buy

It's nice if you can have a high gainer, a plexi, and a clean fender style amp. Some amps can get pretty close to plexi-ville (bogner 101B) but it's not the same as a one channel amp.

Pete

 

[nbarts]

Get it if you can sell & make profit, otherwise pass.

 

[blackba]

When a big production company takes over a small boutique company, most people assume the product will change in some form, whether it be for the better or worse. The perception on TGP is that Peavey has ruined Budda. Whether this is the case or not, remains to be seen. That is the perception, which in the music gear market is often more important than facts. I mean look at the Fender Silverface amps, they still get dogged, even though they are some great amp. That stigma and perception has stuck with them. Musicians don't like change, I mean just look at the vintage market, most people still would love an early 60's Les Paul.

Some other examples of the big company buying a small one is when Fender bought Guild and Gretsch. I bought a pre-Fender Gretsch Brian Setzer Hot Rod. While its a great guitar, the post Fender models actually have some nice improvements and I wish I had a post-Fender (better pickups, pinned down bridge, etc). For Guild, I think the perception is that the pre-Fender Guilds are still better. I know I like my pre-Fender Guild F-412 acoustic better than the new post-Fender one I played.

So I would go with a pre-peavey Budda given the choice.

 

[hunter]

Get it if you can sell & make profit, otherwise pass.

Yeah that about sums it up. It's a 2x12 Combo which means if I sell I am bound to Belgium (unless I can find a company that would ship it for reasonable), and the market is really small around here.

Man if it was a head, I'd be all over it, it's a half priced demo model from a dealer. But then getting a head shell for it or converting it to a head would make it unattractive as a proposition, even if I look at it as a "free cab thrown in" deal.

 

[sixstrings]

You're right, Peavey would have thrown away any parts inventory Budda had. Jeff probably bought parts for each amp one at a time, and when they built their last amp they were out of parts. What a superior intellect you have. What's next Rain Man, going to drop your tampons and count them before they hit the ground?

Actually, I never said anything of that kind. Re-read my post and you'll realize that I never said anything like "Peavey would have thrown away any parts inventory Budda had."

By the way, Rain Man was autistic (like Guthrie Govan), not retarded.

I thought it bore mentioning that, amazingly and strangely enough, you happened to be a dealer who sold the very amps you're all atwitter about, and a Big Shot Important Dealer who sells through message board classifieds at that. Ya just might have a reason to push the V series. I know, I'm grasping at straws here, you're the type of standup guy that if you didn't like the V series you'd go ahead and tell the truth even while selling them, right?

Actually, my dealing days are ancient history. I don't typically sell through board classifieds. In fact, 95% of the deals I make are TRADES.

The answer is YES, you are grasping at straws because there's not a shred of truth in it. The only truth in that is how despicable you are for even asserting something like that.

You're still not answering the question - are they still using the same parts they used before or are they using cheaper substitutes? Surely you can take your mouth off Peavey's chocolate starfish long enough to find out, right? I mean, I'm just some civilian here, but you have gone on about how much more you know about this situation than I do. Great! Enlighten us! Teach us, oh master of the thermionic emission device!

Again, I never claimed to be an expert, nor did I claim to know what parts were being used. I just charged you to prove your claims. Try re-reading my posts and you'll see that I never said such a thing. What I said is that I don't see or hear any difference between pre-Peavey Buddas and Peavey Buddas, and that I challenge anyone to.

Do you really think that Peavey, maker of consumer electronics the world over, basically the Wal-Mart of music gear (sorry but it's true) is going to by gosh use the bestest parts just as good or better than Budda used to and hartley peavey is going to fly down from the heavens and bless each amp with his magic wand?

Fender is a huge company that makes a lot of cheap shit and owns several other companies, including Jackson. Even so, they still make incredible guitars and amps. I've owned pre-Fender Jacksons and Fender Jacksons and see nothing inferior about them. Fender Jacksons are still some of the finest crafted guitars I've ever played. In my honest opinion, I think the whole pre-Fender thing is bullshit people use to increase value of their old shit.

Matchless has a similar issue. There's a lot of hype about Sampson-era amps; however, I've owned and played both and hear or see nothing inferior about the non-Sampson-era Matchless amps. In fact, I still haven't read anything worthwhile about why Sampson-era amps are superior.

Before I mentioned the VHT/Fryette deal. You failed to respond to that, but there's another great example of a company people love to hate but really have no reason to.

That being said, there's no reason why Peavey can't continue a great legacy with Budda amps. I think your assumptions are ignorant and narrow-minded. So far, Peavey has done a great job. Prove me wrong on that. Secondly, I never claimed to know what Peavey will do or how they will perform in the future. In fact, I stated that in a previous response to you.

Now who is the moron?
LOL!

When a big production company takes over a small boutique company, most people assume the product will change in some form, whether it be for the better or worse. The perception on TGP is that Peavey has ruined Budda. Whether this is the case or not, remains to be seen. That is the perception, which in the music gear market is often more important than facts. I mean look at the Fender Silverface amps, they still get dogged, even though they are some great amp. That stigma and perception has stuck with them. Musicians don't like change, I mean just look at the vintage market, most people still would love an early 60's Les Paul.

Some other examples of the big company buying a small one is when Fender bought Guild and Gretsch. I bought a pre-Fender Gretsch Brian Setzer Hot Rod. While its a great guitar, the post Fender models actually have some nice improvements and I wish I had a post-Fender (better pickups, pinned down bridge, etc). For Guild, I think the perception is that the pre-Fender Guilds are still better. I know I like my pre-Fender Guild F-412 acoustic better than the new post-Fender one I played.

So I would go with a pre-peavey Budda given the choice.

That's definitely a more rational response than anything I've seen from Stratotone. I agree with you.

 

[stratotone]

So I would go with a pre-peavey Budda given the choice.

That's definitely a more rational response than anything I've seen from Stratotone. I agree with you.

Then you agree with me too in saying I also would go with a pre-peavey Budda given a choice.

 

[sixstrings]

So I would go with a pre-peavey Budda given the choice.

That's definitely a more rational response than anything I've seen from Stratotone. I agree with you.

Then you agree with me too in saying I also would go with a pre-peavey Budda given a choice.

No genius, I was agreeing with him about the general perception of product quality after taking over a smaller company.

 

[stratotone]

So I would go with a pre-peavey Budda given the choice.

That's definitely a more rational response than anything I've seen from Stratotone. I agree with you.

Then you agree with me too in saying I also would go with a pre-peavey Budda given a choice.

No genius, I was agreeing with him about the general perception of product quality after taking over a smaller company.

Ah, I thought you were agreeing with the parts you quoted. My obvious mistake. You can go back to splitting atoms, Einstein.

 

[King Crimson]

I've had a Superdrive 30 combo some time ago and it was cool, just a bit too spongy and not loud enough for what I needed.

Now I ran across a good offer on a 2x12 Superdrive II 80 combo. Just sold the Triamp and I could afford it ... somehow it's a too good offer to let it pass, on the other hand I already have an XTC and a Steavens plus an Axe FX, which is more amp than anyone could need --- what shall I do?

You got all you need...take the money and buy the Wife or Girl Freind something nice!

P.S., Then sell the Axe Thing and get yourself something good.