Tone Propaganda...

[VonBonfire]

PRS's are cool

I'd love to stick a JAMES TYLER GUITAR in your eye right now.

 

[Geo]

I'd love to stick a JAMES TYLER GUITAR in your eye right now.

No, the doctor said specifically, don't get a JAMES TYLER GUITAR in your eye.

 

[311boogieman]

I'd love to stick a JAMES TYLER GUITAR in your eye right now.

FYI - while you were gone we all talked about how we never want to hear about JAMES TYLER GUITARs or Neo Soul ever again! !!

 

[ZEEGLER]

I buy that one though. Granted, it's not THAT much better, but it's a little better. Having the wires soldered to the board is slightly better than the ribbon connectors they used.

Mine is the [Insert Boost Pedal Here] is the secret sauce crap. Digitech Bad Monkeys were good because they were cheap. Stop paying $250 for that garbage.

I don't think that's even true. James Brown himself has said that they are identical.

Top is a block letter, bottom is a signature. I can't see the difference.

 

[angelspade]

If you can just find at that secret missing gear or component ingredient in EVH's signal chain...You will FINALLY sound exactly like him

 

[GJgo]

Seriously, it's all bullshit started by a douche.

So, have you owned multiple examples from all the different years, or have you only owned one or two, or is your opinion coming from what you think should be true?

While I concede that different people may prefer one "generation" over the other, after owning and recording a ton of them I have experienced the difference and do not beleve it's something you can "fix" with EQ changes.

 

[BeZo]

I don't think that's even true. James Brown himself has said that they are identical.

Top is a block letter, bottom is a signature. I can't see the difference.

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Look closer at the power amp board on the bottom middle. There are differences in build quality. One is soldered where the other has connectors.

I'm not saying the circuits are different. I'm not even saying they sound THAT different overall. I'm just saying you can see the differences in your own example.

 

[Candiria]

There was a guy on here who only spoke in tone propaganda. I don't believe I've seen him post in awhile, but I'd literally roll my eyes when I came across something he posted.

 

[GuitarVacation]

Anyone who says "liquid leads" is an asshole

I'm guilty, but I'll stop LOL. I have pet peeve guitar terms that drive me crazy, and knowing I've been using one that comes off that way to someone else is a harsh but welcome revelation.

 

[Mike Oxhuge]

Chewy mids.

 

[VonBonfire]

FYI - while you were gone we all talked about how we never want to hear about JAMES TYLER GUITARs or Neo Soul ever again! !!

A little flamingo that posts here informed me about some private meetings where weak men were whining about that. There seem to be gatekeepers at every level of society now, even when there are no gates.

 

[jasonP]

Audiophile power cables sound better than a standard cable.

 

[311boogieman]

There was a guy on here who only spoke in tone propaganda. I don't believe I've seen him post in awhile, but I'd literally roll my eyes when I came across something he posted.

I think his user name actually started with 'tone' IIRC but I can't remember correctly.

 

[311boogieman]

Look closer at the power amp board on the bottom middle. There are differences in build quality. One is soldered where the other has connectors.

I'm not saying the circuits are different. I'm not even saying they sound THAT different overall. I'm just saying you can see the differences in your own example.

Never played both back to back and even if I did, I doubt I would be able to tell. IMO, things like preamp tubes, pickups, tolerances etc make far greater difference but you know this. Here is my question. What's missing there on the block version. Just curious bro, not calling you out.

(posting the block vs sig power section thing in case anyone was not sure)

 

[BeZo]

Never played both back to back and even if I did, I doubt I would be able to tell. IMO, things like preamp tubes, pickups, tolerances etc make far greater difference but you know this. Here is my question. What's missing there on the block version. Just curious bro, not calling you out.

(posting the block vs sig power section thing in case anyone was not sure)

They are the same exact circuit. The difference was the block letter was built like the prototype and soldered, where the Signature model was built more for production with connectors fabricated to the board. Combine that with better tubes out the gate, and there totally was a difference.

"WAS"

When we did our shootouts 20 years ago when all the components (and our ears) were all still fresh, we heard it. Nowadays it would be difficult to near fucking impossible to control for all the variables to do a valid test. Really, any Peavey 5150 these days is at the age where it probably needs new caps.

Holy fuck do new caps in a 5150 make a difference though. You think a 5150 sounded good with those cheap plastic Illinois caps in it, wait until you hear it with some good Sozos!

 

[anomaly]

I'd always heard the only difference was the stock tubes they each came with, though I never went down that rabbit hole. So was there really more to it?

It was actually a component change in the output transformer. Peavey were completely unaware of it too.

 

[anomaly]

Anyone who says "liquid leads" is an asshole

Well, how else do you describe the IIC+ lead tone??

 

[anomaly]

So, have you owned multiple examples from all the different years, or have you only owned one or two, or is your opinion coming from what you think should be true?

While I concede that different people may prefer one "generation" over the other, after owning and recording a ton of them I have experienced the difference and do not beleve it's something you can "fix" with EQ changes.

While I definitely hear a bit of a difference, I would not call that difference better. I've heard many examples of V30's from different years that sound just as good, if not better. I find those golden year speakers a little on the dark side as well. Some tones need a bit more in the 5 - 6k region for a little pollish, ya know?? Also, It's easier to remove frequencies than add frequencies that aren't there.

 

[ZEEGLER]

Look closer at the power amp board on the bottom middle. There are differences in build quality. One is soldered where the other has connectors.

I'm not saying the circuits are different. I'm not even saying they sound THAT different overall. I'm just saying you can see the differences in your own example.

The block letter has a plastic connector. The signature is soldered.

Also, I suspect that the signature has been modded. See that silver colored cap to the right. That's not original AFIAK

 

[mentoneman]

Well, how else do you describe the IIC+ lead tone??

directly from the Triaxis manual:

“
LD 2 YELLOW: This is Boogie. This mode is the sound that started the craze that became what is slanged as the “California” sound
or the “L.A.” guitar tone. Lukather, Landau, Keaggy, Lynch, Gillis, Prince, and Metallica catapulted this sound into the forefront of hit
making guitar sounds throughout the eighties. Metallica continues to search high and low for pristine C+ Heads to add to their amplifier
collection - deeming them essential for recording, but you don’t have to!

The Yellow mode is the reincarnation of the fabled Mark II-C+ Lead mode. Its blend of bold punch and evenly stacked liquid harmonics

produces a lead voice that transforms any player
who spends enough time to let it...into a virtuoso of feeling, soul, and statement. It growls with ferocity in the low range, staying tight
and urgent. A “thonk and chirp” is experienced traveling through the midrange frequencies. Then suddenly, as if someone redialed
for the highs, an explosive, yet liquid,
top end comes ripping out as you squeeze every luscious note out of the treble strings. Sound
almost sexual? Primal? Well many a II-C+ junkie...(there are roughly 4500 of them,) will confess...broken hearts are often cured from
a couple weeks rocking with a C+. Seriously, the blend of this mode is so amazing that most players are finding new great sounds 2 and 3 years after their first ear to ear grin.”