Torpedo or?

[Stumplegriltskin]

So what do you have a Y snake, 1 to monitor and 1 to FOH board?

 

[guitarobert]

Like I said, I had the mesa cab clone. Completely unimpressed with the tone when used in resistive mode. The rest of these boxes, Suhr, Rivera, ect... aren't they just similar to the cab clone in the way they funcion?

The loads have a big impact on the sound, and they all perform quite differently. Pete's video inspired me to plot out the impedance curves of the loads I have, and indeed they are all different. They sound different too. The Fryette Power Station (with switches set to Deep/Edge) plots out looking the closest to what my cab's plot looks like. And sure enough, it sounds the best. I have a Torpedo Live. It's good, but the tone sounds quite a bit better when attaching the Fryette as the load using the Torpedo's thru connection. I compared using the Torpedo Live alone, and attaching other loads to the thru jack which causes the Torpedo's load to be bypassed.

So it depends what you are looking for. If you want an all-in-one DI+load+IR box, then the Torpedo Live is perfect. It's also excellent for live use for that reason, and from a sound quality point of view is good - probably perfectly fine for live use and even for recording tracks in the mix. If you want to get to the "wow" point and are only playing at home, and often just guitar alone not in the mix, then I'd go for either the Fryette Power Station or the Suhr Reactive Load and use IRs in the DAW. The impact of the load is enough to my ears that it pushes it over the edge into the "wow" domain above using the Torpedo Live's load alone. But many people are happy with the Torpedo Live. Just that if you are looking for the best possible tone and you are ok using IRs in the DAW, then you can get IMO a better tone using the Fryette or Suhr (don't have this one, saying it based on Pete's video) at less money than going for the Torpedo. But the Torpedo is all-in-one and can be used live, which is a big bonus. Maybe Rivera is good too. I don't have one and Pete didn't have it in his video.

 

[NeubyWanKaneuby]

Like I said, I had the mesa cab clone. Completely unimpressed with the tone when used in resistive mode. The rest of these boxes, Suhr, Rivera, ect... aren't they just similar to the cab clone in the way they funcion?

I'm leaning towards the two notes brand because I do want to incorporate the use of IR's. I have about 400 of them. Only like about 10 of them of course. But I got all free ones. Perhaps there's better ones now. Mine are a couple years old.
I want something that's going to give me "holy shit it's good" tone.

I figure the two notes brand is that, am I wrong? I'd love to get the studio, but 2k is too much. I need other shit. Well, want other shit, heh.

The Rockcrusher Recording is just IR through the use of an EQ. I plug it into my interface via XLR from the box itself. Adjust the EQ settings for the speaker sound that I'm looking for. It sounds pretty good to me, but the two notes stuff is obviously way more flexible as you can adjust mics, cabs, etc...

If you don't mind listening to subpar guitar playing, you can look up my youtube by my username here. The 5 most recent videos I've done are with the Rockcrusher.

 

[PBGas]

So what do you have a Y snake, 1 to monitor and 1 to FOH board?

I have the Amp, Torpedo live and I run straight to the board. If I want to run a small cabinet I just run it out of the back of the Live. The board sends the tone they receive from my amp/LIVE to the monitors. Most of the time I don't have to bring a cab with me. The monitors at 3 of the venues I'm playing at are the RCF units and are amazing!

Honestly, I did a couple of contracts over the summer and the extra cabs that I purchased from Two-Notes far surpassed anything else that I tried using that were IR based.

 

[Stumplegriltskin]

I guess you don't like Bias FX ha? LOL

 

[PBGas]

. Just that if you are looking for the best possible tone and you are ok using IRs in the DAW, then you can get IMO a better tone using the Fryette or Suhr (don't have this one, saying it based on Pete's video) at less money than going for the Torpedo.

I'm not sure I agree with this at all. Better is such a subjective thing as we hear differently. I'm going to get the opportunity to borrow a Suhr unit shortly. One of my friend bought one from a retailer up here (who actually by a small miracle, had one in stock!) I'll compare it with some quality IRs and see what my ears tell me.

 

[voodooradio1]

Like I said, I had the mesa cab clone. Completely unimpressed with the tone when used in resistive mode. The rest of these boxes, Suhr, Rivera, ect... aren't they just similar to the cab clone in the way they funcion?

I'm leaning towards the two notes brand because I do want to incorporate the use of IR's. I have about 400 of them. Only like about 10 of them of course. But I got all free ones. Perhaps there's better ones now. Mine are a couple years old.
I want something that's going to give me "holy shit it's good" tone.

I figure the two notes brand is that, am I wrong? I'd love to get the studio, but 2k is too much. I need other shit. Well, want other shit, heh.

IMO, yes, you are mistaken. I purchased a new Torp Live from Sweetwater about 1 1/2 mos ago. Really glad I decided to buy new instead of used, because I sent it back within a few days. No matter which IR I used, it was not possible to get even a slightly decent representation of how my amp sounds with an actual cab. Honestly, it sounded like pure shit. It was a let down, because I really wanted it to be the solution.
I was pretty well resolved to getting another AXFX2, when it occurred to me to visit the Positive Grid site to see if they were done with that invite only bullshit. They were, and had a trial version to check out. I ended up buying the full version. I won't say that it is as good as the real thing, because nothing is. But shit, I aint trying to win a Grammy, I just need an alternative to a loud amp that sounds convincing, and it does that. I like the IR's that come with it, but it has an IR loader that allows you to use 3rd party stuff. At $174.00, it has proven to be a good deal for me.

 

[jc986]

There's really no reason the same IR used with a Torpedo Live vs. being used with the Positive Grid would yield drastically different results. Certainly not to where the same IR would sound like "pure shit" with the Live and sound great with the Positive Grid.

I find the Torpedo stuff to be very convincing. Perhaps there was some issue with the Torpedo Live you had or maybe you didn't spend enough time with it. That said, if you are able to get what you needed out of $174 unit vs. an $850 one then obviously it was the right choice for you.

 

[PBGas]

Bias FX pro is an excellent program. I use it regularly and love it. I turn off the cab sims and run the Two-Notes Wos-III with it and it sounds utterly fabulous. That being said, I've used the Two-Notes live since it has been introduced and with many different amps and have never had an issue with making it sound great. It's a great solution and works well. The Torpedo studio is even nicer if you want to go to the next level but for me the Live works perfectly.

Use it with the Remote application and you have so much control and can really experiment. I usually turn on the EQ and pull down the 120hz so that it sits well in the mix.

 

[guitarobert]

. Just that if you are looking for the best possible tone and you are ok using IRs in the DAW, then you can get IMO a better tone using the Fryette or Suhr (don't have this one, saying it based on Pete's video) at less money than going for the Torpedo.

I'm not sure I agree with this at all. Better is such a subjective thing as we hear differently. I'm going to get the opportunity to borrow a Suhr unit shortly. One of my friend bought one from a retailer up here (who actually by a small miracle, had one in stock!) I'll compare it with some quality IRs and see what my ears tell me.

I'm comparing the difference of the loads only, using the exact same IRs and setup otherwise. Torpedo Live's internal load vs Torpedo Live with Fryette as the load. Try the same with your setup. You just need to plug the Suhr load into the thru jack on the Torpedo Live. Compare that to nothing plugged into the Torpedo Live (uses the Torpedo's internal load).

It sounds better as far as it sounds closer to what it's like with a real speaker cab as the load. See the video someone posted of Pete Thorn running through the same comparison.

 

[voodooradio1]

Like I said, I had the mesa cab clone. Completely unimpressed with the tone when used in resistive mode. The rest of these boxes, Suhr, Rivera, ect... aren't they just similar to the cab clone in the way they funcion?

I'm leaning towards the two notes brand because I do want to incorporate the use of IR's. I have about 400 of them. Only like about 10 of them of course. But I got all free ones. Perhaps there's better ones now. Mine are a couple years old.
I want something that's going to give me "holy shit it's good" tone.

I figure the two notes brand is that, am I wrong? I'd love to get the studio, but 2k is too much. I need other shit. Well, want other shit, heh.

IMO, yes, you are mistaken. I purchased a new Torp Live from Sweetwater about 1 1/2 mos ago. Really glad I decided to buy new instead of used, because I sent it back within a few days. No matter which IR I used, it was not possible to get even a slightly decent representation of how my amp sounds with an actual cab. Honestly, it sounded like pure shit. It was a let down, because I really wanted it to be the solution.
I was pretty well resolved to getting another AXFX2, when it occurred to me to visit the Positive Grid site to see if they were done with that invite only bullshit. They were, and had a trial version to check out. I ended up buying the full version. I won't say that it is as good as the real thing, because nothing is. But shit, I aint trying to win a Grammy, I just need an alternative to a loud amp that sounds convincing, and it does that. I like the IR's that come with it, but it has an IR loader that allows you to use 3rd party stuff. At $174.00, it has proven to be a good deal for me.

THIS. sounds like USER ERROR. 100%.
Check out this video I made.

What does a video of the Torpedo Studio have to do with my experience with the Torpedo Live? Really, it wouldn't matter to me if Steve was using the Torpedo Live and digging it. I've been playing and buying gear for long enough to know when I like something, and when I don't. "USER ERROR. 100%" ? Sorry, but the TL isn't Rocket Science. I put it through the paces, and in the end it didn't sound good, and it damn sure didn't sound like $900.00 ! There was no user error. It just didn't deliver. Just my opinion.

 

[voodooradio1]

There's really no reason the same IR used with a Torpedo Live vs. being used with the Positive Grid would yield drastically different results. Certainly not to where the same IR would sound like "pure shit" with the Live and sound great with the Positive Grid.

I find the Torpedo stuff to be very convincing. Perhaps there was some issue with the Torpedo Live you had or maybe you didn't spend enough time with it. That said, if you are able to get what you needed out of $174 unit vs. an $850 one then obviously it was the right choice for you.

I tried some of the Redwirez with the T.L. ,as well as some other freebies, and the included IR's. Just to be clear, I never did a side by side comparison of PG and T.L. with IR's.
I think the big difference is that an amp is designed to work with a speaker cab, while software amps are designed to work with IR's. I would be the first in line for a device that could replace my cab for certain situations, but I haven't found anything that can do that accurately. I don't know that there ever will be something that will do that to my liking. The biggest issue for me is that a guitar will react to an amp cranked thru a cab. Choke it down and you lose an important part of the sound. For me it just changes everything about the amp that I like, so when I can I crank the amp, and when I have an idea I want to lay down late at night, I use the P.G.

 

[voodooradio1]

Like I said, I had the mesa cab clone. Completely unimpressed with the tone when used in resistive mode. The rest of these boxes, Suhr, Rivera, ect... aren't they just similar to the cab clone in the way they funcion?

I'm leaning towards the two notes brand because I do want to incorporate the use of IR's. I have about 400 of them. Only like about 10 of them of course. But I got all free ones. Perhaps there's better ones now. Mine are a couple years old.
I want something that's going to give me "holy shit it's good" tone.

I figure the two notes brand is that, am I wrong? I'd love to get the studio, but 2k is too much. I need other shit. Well, want other shit, heh.

IMO, yes, you are mistaken. I purchased a new Torp Live from Sweetwater about 1 1/2 mos ago. Really glad I decided to buy new instead of used, because I sent it back within a few days. No matter which IR I used, it was not possible to get even a slightly decent representation of how my amp sounds with an actual cab. Honestly, it sounded like pure shit. It was a let down, because I really wanted it to be the solution.
I was pretty well resolved to getting another AXFX2, when it occurred to me to visit the Positive Grid site to see if they were done with that invite only bullshit. They were, and had a trial version to check out. I ended up buying the full version. I won't say that it is as good as the real thing, because nothing is. But shit, I aint trying to win a Grammy, I just need an alternative to a loud amp that sounds convincing, and it does that. I like the IR's that come with it, but it has an IR loader that allows you to use 3rd party stuff. At $174.00, it has proven to be a good deal for me.

THIS. sounds like USER ERROR. 100%.
Check out this video I made.

What does a video of the Torpedo Studio have to do with my experience with the Torpedo Live? Really, it wouldn't matter to me if Steve was using the Torpedo Live and digging it. I've been playing and buying gear for long enough to know when I like something, and when I don't. "USER ERROR. 100%" ? Sorry, but the TL isn't Rocket Science. I put it through the paces, and in the end it didn't sound good, and it damn sure didn't sound like $900.00 ! There was no user error. It just didn't deliver. Just my opinion.

I had the live before the studio. Got similar results (i have to say the studio does sound better for other reasons) but the sounds I got were the same.

Im curious to hear ANY clips you have of what your current sound is with the software your using.

Here is what Im getting out of the Two Notes :

1. Marshall 50 watter (Friedman modded

2. Marshall 50 watter (Friedman Modded) + Bogner Uberschall TJ -

first tell me either of those sound like "pure shit" then let me hear YOUR clips.

The first sounded okay. Didn't care for the second at all, but I also don't care for that style of music. If it gets the job done for you, and you are happy with it, more power to you. My experience with the T.L. was with my Two Rock. I like low pre amp gain, and a pegged power section. I usually use a Bogner Ubercab. I knew before going in that I wouldn't be able to reproduce that sound exactly, because volume is such an important part of it. I was willing to make some sacrifices in sound, but the T.L. just killed all of the goodness.
I didn't just order a $900 pc of gear, plug in, make a judgement, and send it back. I spent the better part of three days tweaking the T.L. ,the amp, the IR's. I emailed back and forth with Two Notes to make certain I hadn't missed something obvious. According to them, this user wasn't making any errors. They suggested that I return the unit to Sweetwater, and upgrade to the Studio. I declined ,and returned the unit for a refund. It sounded like shit with my amp.
As for the Positive Grid stuff, you won't ever hear me claim that it is as good or better than the real thing.Plenty of better options out there,just not at that price point. Having owned an AXFX2, I can say that it doesn't come close to that, and neither come close to the tone I can get with amp-cab-mics. Bias Desktop does have a good feel, and it is easy to lay down scratch tracks with it late at night. This leaves me the option of setting my recording gear up at my rehearsal space, and replacing the PG tracks with the real thing at a later date. When I have something complete, I will share.

 

[PBGas]

I was at the Imsta fest electronic trade show in T.O. over the weekend. Andy Cherna from Diffusion Audio had a Two-Rock as his demonstration amp with a Two-Notes Live, studio and cab running. It sounded beautiful, clear and glorious through the monitors. I had never heard this amp before but now know why so many love it.

Again, we all hear things differently and thus, if it didn't work for what you like to hear, then so be it. In the next couple of weeks, I'll try out the Suhr product with the Two-Notes Wos-III and I'll compare it to what I had with the Two-Notes live.

 

[Stumplegriltskin]

Like I said, I had the mesa cab clone. Completely unimpressed with the tone when used in resistive mode. The rest of these boxes, Suhr, Rivera, ect... aren't they just similar to the cab clone in the way they funcion?

I'm leaning towards the two notes brand because I do want to incorporate the use of IR's. I have about 400 of them. Only like about 10 of them of course. But I got all free ones. Perhaps there's better ones now. Mine are a couple years old.
I want something that's going to give me "holy shit it's good" tone.

I figure the two notes brand is that, am I wrong? I'd love to get the studio, but 2k is too much. I need other shit. Well, want other shit, heh.

IMO, yes, you are mistaken. I purchased a new Torp Live from Sweetwater about 1 1/2 mos ago. Really glad I decided to buy new instead of used, because I sent it back within a few days. No matter which IR I used, it was not possible to get even a slightly decent representation of how my amp sounds with an actual cab. Honestly, it sounded like pure shit. It was a let down, because I really wanted it to be the solution.
I was pretty well resolved to getting another AXFX2, when it occurred to me to visit the Positive Grid site to see if they were done with that invite only bullshit. They were, and had a trial version to check out. I ended up buying the full version. I won't say that it is as good as the real thing, because nothing is. But shit, I aint trying to win a Grammy, I just need an alternative to a loud amp that sounds convincing, and it does that. I like the IR's that come with it, but it has an IR loader that allows you to use 3rd party stuff. At $174.00, it has proven to be a good deal for me.

THIS. sounds like USER ERROR. 100%.
Check out this video I made.

What does a video of the Torpedo Studio have to do with my experience with the Torpedo Live? Really, it wouldn't matter to me if Steve was using the Torpedo Live and digging it. I've been playing and buying gear for long enough to know when I like something, and when I don't. "USER ERROR. 100%" ? Sorry, but the TL isn't Rocket Science. I put it through the paces, and in the end it didn't sound good, and it damn sure didn't sound like $900.00 ! There was no user error. It just didn't deliver. Just my opinion.

I had the live before the studio. Got similar results (i have to say the studio does sound better for other reasons) but the sounds I got were the same.

Im curious to hear ANY clips you have of what your current sound is with the software your using.

Here is what Im getting out of the Two Notes :

1. Marshall 50 watter (Friedman modded

2. Marshall 50 watter (Friedman Modded) + Bogner Uberschall TJ -

first tell me either of those sound like "pure shit" then let me hear YOUR clips.

Both clips sound great. First is 80's style, not my game.
Second clip = chunkin. Sounded as good or better than anything else out there.

 

[PBGas]

I guess you don't like Bias FX ha? LOL

LoL... .that was just because I don't have an amp....but that is a changing next week!

Can't wait!

 

[Stumplegriltskin]

Yeah I have a love hate relationship with Bias. Sometimes it seems the free Poulin amp plugins + IR's sound better than Bias.