Triple Rectifier comparison: Rev G vs 90s RI (CLIPS IN)

[Beyond Black]

Boosted it can be just as useful as modern

Also I’ve really been diggin lower output pickups lately, which would likely really jive with vintage nicely.

 

[Racerxrated]

We tried each amp in every configuration/channel cloning. We both preferred red/modern boosted with an 808 on each amp. Orange and Orange cloned to Modern or Modern with Orange cloned to Modern didn't do it for either of us—but I can see why people like those. Both Triples (Rev G and Reissue) sounded awful.

I took a look inside all the amps and didn't notice any mods other than the all black G had a bias mod. Ted also replaced the Red channel's gain pot with 1M/4700pF and it's running KT66s now. But I played the amp before that was done and after.

Awful???

Good God. That's comical. I have one in front of me and it is absofuckinglutley killer. Haha. I can't imagine what in the hell was wrong with either the amp, the way you two set it up, or something else to get you to say the reissue triple sounded awful.
This amp is miles better sounding than either of the 4 Gs I had. A good bit better than the 2 Fs...and yes, even better than the C.
The Red channel is the surprise of the amp though. It's almost as good as the Orange/modern.

 

[Mike Oxhuge]

I wouldn't be surprised if some of the reissues are suffering with bad preamp tubes like my Mark VII did. The only preamp tube I haven't had to replace was the reverb one. Every time I replaced the factory Mesa labeled tubes the tone got better and better. I bought that amp new 9 months ago. None of the replacements have had a single issue. I thought someone else on here mentioned Friedman abandoning JJ's for this reason? Or maybe it was a different builder.

 

[Exo-metal]

In order for any rectifier to get modern tones it's the red channel. There shouldn't be any dispute, that would be illogical.

 

[Racerxrated]

In order for any rectifier to get modern tones it's the red channel. There shouldn't be any dispute.

Plenty of players use Orange/Modern for modern tones. Just depends on which channel you like best. Orange/vintage is another story.

 

[Holy-diver]

Plenty of players use Orange/Modern for modern tones. Just depends on which channel you like best. Orange/vintage is another story.

I run both channels modern myself so I haven’t even tried the RI cleans

 

[Racerxrated]

I run both channels modern myself so I haven’t even tried the RI cleans

Cleans? I didn't even know these amps have cleans.

Seriously, I don't think I've ever even tried them in any of the 8 I've owned. Lol

 

[311boogieman]

Just did this comparison yesterday. The reissue is very good, has a tighter low end response but that wasn't enough to call it. The two rev G I own sound killer. Made a few changes to one that sound great to my ear. Taking it into the factory for a checkup and other parts. Remember to blend the presence on the unelected channel/it is active at all times and effects to tones as you dial in.

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While it is in you should consider the 'C' mod too. Night and day to my ears. More controlled and focused but still saturated without the bloat. Like I said, I've been playing mine for months now with no boost. I also had the Serial loop mod done including the return jack and then I patch the loop. Though lately I've had my NS2 and MXR 10band in there. I also have Chinese 9th Gens in there that I got from @just42dave

It would be interesting to hear your opinion of a reg Rev G and a Rev G mod to C.

Also, all this Reissue talk has got me hot.

Either way, I mainly posted to keep an eye out for the incoming clips

 

[Exo-metal]

I have two dual rev G. One for reference, the other one has had small changes. I took it to the factory just this morning. Once I get it back we'll see where it sits and if I want to do more or not. They said it'll be a few weeks...

 

[FourT6and2]

Awful???

Good God. That's comical. I have one in front of me and it is absofuckinglutley killer. Haha. I can't imagine what in the hell was wrong with either the amp, the way you two set it up, or something else to get you to say the reissue triple sounded awful.
This amp is miles better sounding than either of the 4 Gs I had. A good bit better than the 2 Fs...and yes, even better than the C.
The Red channel is the surprise of the amp though. It's almost as good as the Orange/modern.

Yeah, both Triples sounded awful. Don't know what else to tell you. And I think some context/perspective is also needed. Ted plays '90s thrash. I play modern prog metal and metalcore. And for the sound either one of us is going for, the red/modern channel is what we gravitated toward. If you love some other setting or something, great.

 

[311boogieman]

I have two dual rev G. One for reference, the other one has had small changes. I took it to the factory just this morning. Once I get it back we'll see where it sits and if I want to do more or not. They said it'll be a few weeks...

Fair enough. But if you took it to Mesa - I can't think of better place and time. It is also reversable. It would be cool to make that switchable. I obviously did not swap the tranny. Here is the link that I read that got me all spun up on this

Pre 500 Mod

Here is the info from my local guy on the Loop return:

"The only thing I did different from the typical mod you see others mention online is I replaced the original fx return jack that has no normalizing switch with one that does. Without a normalizing switch in the return jack, if there is no fx chain plugged into the loop & the amp is set to have the loop activated there will be no sound come through at all with a series loop but with a normalizing switch on the return jack if nothing is plugged through the loop signal will still pass through the switch built into the return jack & whenever any fx chain is plugged through the loop that switch is opened up by the plug in the return jack & the signal routes out & back in only through the fx. This is the way 99.9% of series fx loops are wired. I saw examples online leaving this detail out probably figuring it unnecessary since the loop would likely be set to bypass when nothing plugged through it anyway, but having the normalizing switch offers a good way to compare signal level through the fx with unamplified strait wire through the loop."

This means you can also use the Loop Active Master - which I find useful.

 

[Beyond Black]

Yeah, both Triples sounded awful. Don't know what else to tell you. And I think some context/perspective is also needed. Ted plays '90s thrash. I play modern prog metal and metalcore. And for the sound either one of us is going for, the red/modern channel is what we gravitated toward. If you love some other setting or something, great.

I couldn’t make a Triple RI or G sound awful if I tried, and either one properly dialed in could do 90s thrash or metalcore all day long. Admittedly I’d play something tighter and more surgical for modern prog, but I’ll take a Triple G or RI over most anything for most anything heavy.

 

[Racerxrated]

I couldn’t make a Triple RI or G sound awful if I tried, and either one properly dialed in could do 90s thrash or metalcore all day long. Admittedly I’d play something tighter and more surgical for modern prog, but I’ll take a Triple G or RI over most anything for most anything heavy.

Maybe there was something wrong with that reissue. After all, JJ tubes can be shit. My reissue went up another level of awesome with a set of C8/9 Chinese throughout.

 

[Shask]

Every time one of these threads pop up I try to dial in the Orange on my old Rev G Triple, and it just never sounds good to me. Too boxy sounding. Red Modern is THE sound in that amp.

 

[Beyond Black]

Every time one of these threads pop up I try to dial in the Orange on my old Rev G Triple, and it just never sounds good to me. Too boxy sounding. Red Modern is THE sound in that amp.

Try the presence really high/dimed and running treble to taste. It opens it up and brings the aggression.
Orange has a killer lower mid growl.

 

[Shask]

Try the presence really high/dimed and running treble to taste. It opens it up and brings the aggression.
Orange has a killer lower mid growl.

I think the lower mids is what I dont like in the Orange. It has too many 400hz - 500hz mids and sounds boxy.

I much prefer the Red with the lower mids scooped more, and more of those upper mids for that 90s style Meshuggah scrape.

 

[Beyond Black]

I think the lower mids is what I dont like in the Orange. It has too many 400hz - 500hz mids and sounds boxy.

I much prefer the Red with the lower mids scooped more, and more of those upper mids for that 90s style Meshuggah scrape.

EL34s or 6L6s?

 

[fek]

I thought someone else on here mentioned Friedman abandoning JJ's for this reason? Or maybe it was a different builder.

I remember something like that but I think it was the JJ EL34's that Friedman stopped using. Pretty sure that the Synergy gear comes with JJ preamp tubes. Would have to take a look again to make sure.

 

[Shask]

EL34s or 6L6s?

Always 6L6.

 

[Mike Oxhuge]

I remember something like that but I think it was the JJ EL34's that Friedman stopped using. Pretty sure that the Synergy gear comes with JJ preamp tubes. Would have to take a look again to make sure.

That would make sense that Synergy uses them because I had 1 of those fail as well. Literally 90% of preamp tube failures I've experienced in 32 years of fucking with tube anps have been in the last 3 years and those were all JJ's.