Trump sending pallets of cash to Iran

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MadAsAHatter said:
I had a feeling you were going to reference this. I'm already ahead of you.

The Obama deal was part of an old arbitration from 1979 with the previous Iranian regime in which the US supposedly owed them $400M involving military equipment. That became null and void when that regime collapsed. Obama decided to pay the $400M plus about $1.3B in interest. For all intents and purposes this was US taxpayer money given to a new Iranian regime that the US had no deal with.
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Even if a new regime overthrows a previous one, the new government typically inherits the debts, treaty obligations, and financial liabilities of the old one, as was the case with the 1979 Iranian Revolution.

Historical Precedents: Britain acknowledged it owed a debt (approx. £400 million) to Iran that was established by the Shah's regime in 1971. Despite the revolution in 1979 and decades of strained relations, a tribunal ruled the debt had to be paid to the new Islamic Republic, which it was in 2022
 
MadAsAHatter said:
Too bad you narrative is going to fall apart.

All sources I've read; which include Axios, CNN, AP and NYP, all say it is $20B in frozen/seized Iranian assets originating from Iranian oil sales to South Korea and being held in Qatar. Early reports say $6B would be released as phase 1 if a deal to end the war is met. The rest would be released in separate phases across a 3 year period pending Iran keeping their part of the bargain.

So no, the US isn't just giving Iran $20B of our own money [like Obama did]. It's letting Iran have access to their own money that the US has frozen/seized. No pallets of cash will be exchanged.
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He ain't much for (the important) details. Shows his idiocy once again...and all he has to do is READ!
 
The man who literally wrote "The Art of the Deal" is now reportedly offering to unfreeze $20 billion in Iranian assets to reopen a strait that was wide open before he started his war of choice, and the greatest business mind in human history is scrambling to buy his way out of a crisis he created. This is the same man who recently referred to the Strait of Hormuz as the "Strait of Iran," which tracks, because at this point he basically handed it to them.

The staggering irony here is impossible to ignore. Under the Obama nuclear deal, the U.S. lifted sanctions on frozen Iranian funds and sent $1.7 billion to settle decades-old failed contracts, the very arrangement trump and Republicans spent years calling a national disgrace and a handout to terrorists. That deal came with real, verified nuclear limits and rigorous international inspections. Now the world's greatest negotiator is looking at paying $20 billion for a deal that offers weaker protections and still has gaping holes, including on the Strait itself.

And as of today, even the definition of "open" is up for debate. Iran declared the strait open for commercial vessels while simultaneously requiring ships to follow a state-controlled route near Iranian coastline. trump hailed it as a win while keeping the U.S. naval blockade of Iranian ports fully in place. So the man who turned Atlantic City casinos into spectacular financial rubble is running the same playbook on American foreign policy: walk in with swagger, blow up what was working, and then pay more than you would have originally to dig out of the hole. The only difference is this time the rest of the world is holding the debt.
 
JDs Couch said:
The man who literally wrote "The Art of the Deal" is now reportedly offering to unfreeze $20 billion in Iranian assets to reopen a strait that was wide open before he started his war of choice, and the greatest business mind in human history is scrambling to buy his way out of a crisis he created. This is the same man who recently referred to the Strait of Hormuz as the "Strait of Iran," which tracks, because at this point he basically handed it to them.

The staggering irony here is impossible to ignore. Under the Obama nuclear deal, the U.S. lifted sanctions on frozen Iranian funds and sent $1.7 billion to settle decades-old failed contracts, the very arrangement trump and Republicans spent years calling a national disgrace and a handout to terrorists. That deal came with real, verified nuclear limits and rigorous international inspections. Now the world's greatest negotiator is looking at paying $20 billion for a deal that offers weaker protections and still has gaping holes, including on the Strait itself.

And as of today, even the definition of "open" is up for debate. Iran declared the strait open for commercial vessels while simultaneously requiring ships to follow a state-controlled route near Iranian coastline. trump hailed it as a win while keeping the U.S. naval blockade of Iranian ports fully in place. So the man who turned Atlantic City casinos into spectacular financial rubble is running the same playbook on American foreign policy: walk in with swagger, blow up what was working, and then pay more than you would have originally to dig out of the hole. The only difference is this time the rest of the world is holding the debt.
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Where did you copy paste this from? It's the longest post you've ever made here. I've never seen anyone so completely incapable of defending any position they take as you. You usually don't even try. So yeah, you didn't write it.
 
70 Mach 1 said:
Cheers bitch. Just nipping tonight
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Ok, this post contains no insults, real nor imagined.

So, you do a full clip on a cigar? I use a punch my own self. No specific reason why. Probably cuz the old retired golf pro I used to take lessons from then became friends with and ended up being golfing buddies with bought me a punch as a gift.

Damn I miss that dude. He dropped dead one day from a heart attack.
 
VonBonfire said:
Where did you copy paste this from? It's the longest post you've ever made here. I've never seen anyone so completely incapable of defending any position they take as you. You usually don't even try. So yeah, you didn't write it.
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I often cut and paste news articles and such. I'm not a very good writer compared to even a low level pro. If they're making a point I want to make and are making it well, I'm gonna defer to the talent.

As Clint said, "A man's gotta know his limitations".
 
JDs Couch said:
Even if a new regime overthrows a previous one, the new government typically inherits the debts, treaty obligations, and financial liabilities of the old one, as was the case with the 1979 Iranian Revolution.

Historical Precedents: Britain acknowledged it owed a debt (approx. £400 million) to Iran that was established by the Shah's regime in 1971. Despite the revolution in 1979 and decades of strained relations, a tribunal ruled the debt had to be paid to the new Islamic Republic, which it was in 2022
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A new regime can claim to inherit assets such as money owed to the old regime. The reality is those claims don't hold much water. New countries often have much difficulties trying to collect and money owed to the old regime gets written off as uncollectable. Such as the case when the USSR collapsed. Or after Germany's and Japan's defeat in WW2. A couple other examples are after the Chinese communist revolution, Cuba's revolution, Haiti's independence, and even the Iranian regime change you referenced. Even if there is an attempted legal claim to collect, in practice money owed to the old government generally becomes a wash and most often goes uncollected by the new government.

Not to change the subject, but you still haven't answered if you would be fine with Iran having nuclear weapon capabilities.
 
The Obama deal worked so well they were able to enrich like 1100 lbs of uranium to 60% :rolleyes:
 
JDs Couch said:
False. They didn't endich any uranium past 3.67% until long after Trump ripped up the deal. This was verified by inspectors and US intelligence.
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We know what your sig really stands for. And it's not clever. Why do commies think they are so clever?
 
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