Under Lock and Key

[Gainfreak]

just listen to "when the lightning strikes."

Most definitely has a Rockman vibe but Im not hearing 100% Rockman.

I'll say it again but in a different way...... IT WOULD NOT SURPRISE ME IF A ROCKMAN WAS USED ON THAT RECORDING BUT I'M NOT HEARING 100% ROCKMAN. THERE IS OTHER SHIT MIXED IN IMHO

your right its not the rockman alone. He recorded the majority of rythms using is it ( and his other amps) then went back and blended it in where it worked.

NO...................


Just kidding

 

[charveldan]

just listen to "when the lightning strikes."

1:19 show his SLP Marshalls, doesn't sound like a rockman here though.

I can't tell if that's aTiger strype Charvel or ESP, but it's a non-locking trem.

 

[Jack Napalm]

1:19 show his SLP Marshalls, doesn't sound like a rockman here though.

That was the Back for the Attack era.

 

[charveldan]

1:19 show his SLP Marshalls, doesn't sound like a rockman here though.

That was the Back for the Attack era.

ULAK was 85' BFTA was 87' those were most likely the Marshalls that George had Tim Caswell mod for him.

 

[Greazygeo]

BFTA is definitely Marshalls. I've not used a sustainer or distance generator, with a Soloist I can get that tone no problem. I never had the coin for the X100 so not sure of that one.

I'll start looking around for another Soloist. This should be fun.

I don't know how you can listen to that album and not hear it.

 

[charveldan]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cN8JhCvk ... re=related

These two are Whole Hog Marshall if you ask me.

 

[Digital Jams]

 

[Gainfreak]

BFTA is definitely Marshalls. I've not used a sustainer or distance generator, with a Soloist I can get that tone no problem. I never had the coin for the X100 so not sure of that one.

I'll start looking around for another Soloist. This should be fun.

I don't know how you can listen to that album and not hear it.

I think everyone here can hear that there is a Rockman quality to the tone. What Im not understanding is if you think it's 100% Rockman or a mix and if I'm being honest, Id like to know.

 

[Chris O]

just listen to "when the lightning strikes."

1:19 show his SLP Marshalls, doesn't sound like a rockman here though.

I can't tell if that's aTiger strype Charvel or ESP, but it's a non-locking trem.

Looks like an ESP.

Man...Don sucked then too...

 

[Greazygeo]

BFTA is definitely Marshalls. I've not used a sustainer or distance generator, with a Soloist I can get that tone no problem. I never had the coin for the X100 so not sure of that one.

I'll start looking around for another Soloist. This should be fun.

I don't know how you can listen to that album and not hear it.

I think everyone here can hear that there is a Rockman quality to the tone. What Im not understanding is if you think it's 100% Rockman or a mix and if I'm being honest, Id like to know.

I'm sure there is probably an amp here and there, there are a lot of parts in those songs. The majority of the albums tones are the Rockman. If they did that album with amps an tons of mics, they wasted alot of time and money to get the
same result.

 

[Gainfreak]

BFTA is definitely Marshalls. I've not used a sustainer or distance generator, with a Soloist I can get that tone no problem. I never had the coin for the X100 so not sure of that one.

I'll start looking around for another Soloist. This should be fun.

I don't know how you can listen to that album and not hear it.

I think everyone here can hear that there is a Rockman quality to the tone. What Im not understanding is if you think it's 100% Rockman or a mix and if I'm being honest, Id like to know.

I'm sure there is probably an amp here and there, there are a lot of parts in those songs. The majority of the albums tones are the Rockman. If they did that album with amps an tons of mics, they wasted alot of time and money to get the
same result.

Well I think you and I are hearing a similar thing but where we differ is that I think there is more amp then direct Rockman to the sound. The freequencies are definitely in the Rockman area and I'm totally hearing it ,but Im not hearing the direct quality that Rockmans are notorious for. That leads me to believe that if it was used , it was either used with an amp ala sending it to the effects loop or in front or the direct sound was mixed in with other miced up amplifiers. All IMHO of course
When I hear Photograph by Def Lep, I hear a similar sound but that bubbly bottom end screams direct Rockman and I'm not really hearing that with Dokken.
We also have to consider the Fostex being cranked up.
All I know is that this is an awesome debate. I guess a good way to tell is to record a clip of straight direct rockman and then record the same clip of the rockman through the effects loop of a Marshall and out to h30 or greenback speakers and mic it up.

 

[Shiny_Surface]

Not rockman related but last night I hooked up my MIJ GE-7, positioned it after my SD-1 and left all the sliders level except for a slight bump in the 400 and 800 sliders, and the level slider bumped up just a bit as well into a stock 2204/Splawn 4x12 and was suprised how close it sounded.

Not exact by any means but quite authentic imo.

 

[Gainfreak]

Not rockman related but last night I hooked up my MIJ GE-7, positioned it after my SD-1 and left all the sliders level except for a slight bump in the 400 and 800 sliders, and the level slider bumped up just a bit as well into a stock 2204/Splawn 4x12 and was suprised how close it sounded.

Not exact by any means but quite authentic imo.

Thats exactly how I used to get that sound. Id hit my amp with a graphic eq before the amp with the 800hz bump and max the level and then use h30 / greenback speakers. To say it was close would be an uderstatement. That's why Im saying that even though the tone is very Rockman like, there are other ways of getting that sound.

 

[rupe]

just listen to "when the lightning strikes."

1:19 show his SLP Marshalls, doesn't sound like a rockman here though.

I can't tell if that's aTiger strype Charvel or ESP, but it's a non-locking trem.

Looks like an ESP.

Man...Don sucked then too...

That's his original tiger stripe built by Karl Sandoval. In this particular incarnation it appears to be an early neck (Charvel or similar) with an added ESP logo. I recall that he began liking vintage trems more during this era (ala Mr. Grafitti) and converted this guitar back to one for the BFTA tour (post Monsters of Rock IIRC...can't remember for sure). You can see the Floyd post holes if you look close.

 

[charveldan]

just listen to "when the lightning strikes."

1:19 show his SLP Marshalls, doesn't sound like a rockman here though.

I can't tell if that's aTiger strype Charvel or ESP, but it's a non-locking trem.

Looks like an ESP.

Man...Don sucked then too...

That's his original tiger stripe built by Karl Sandoval. In this particular incarnation it appears to be an early neck (Charvel or similar) with an added ESP logo. I recall that he began liking vintage trems more during this era (ala Mr. Grafitti) and converted this guitar back to one for the BFTA tour (post Monsters of Rock IIRC...can't remember for sure). You can see the Floyd post holes if you look close.

Isn't that the guitar that has the all Maple body that weighs like 13 lbs? That's the one that George sez he can't wear anymore because it's given him back problems.

 

[rupe]

just listen to "when the lightning strikes."

1:19 show his SLP Marshalls, doesn't sound like a rockman here though.

I can't tell if that's aTiger strype Charvel or ESP, but it's a non-locking trem.

Looks like an ESP.

Man...Don sucked then too...

That's his original tiger stripe built by Karl Sandoval. In this particular incarnation it appears to be an early neck (Charvel or similar) with an added ESP logo. I recall that he began liking vintage trems more during this era (ala Mr. Grafitti) and converted this guitar back to one for the BFTA tour (post Monsters of Rock IIRC...can't remember for sure). You can see the Floyd post holes if you look close.

Isn't that the guitar that has the all Maple body that weighs like 13 lbs? That's the one that George sez he can't wear anymore because it's given him back problems.

That's it...it weighs 15-16 lbs IIRC. Didn't hear about his back issues...he's been playing it alot recently. Right now it has some funky looking harpoon-head ESP neck on it:

 

[Chris O]

Yay! Magic gloves again!

 

[gtrlw]

The Rockman had a line out, the chain was guitar > Rockman > Marshall, it was part of the era.

I agree. As I recall, this is the setup Chris Poland used to record his solos on Peace Sells but Who's Buying. I think that tone is instantly recognizable and still holds up today.

 

[Mr. Willy]

Wow. I had no idea this would be such an involved discussion. I've never had any experience with the Rockman other than seeing them in ads in Guitar mags from the 80's. I'd love to plug in to one someday. Seems like a fun unit.

 

[charveldan]

Sure had lots of echo......and BFTA sounded completly different.

What is that from TGP?