US - Big Brother is Watching You

[rsm]

No warrants required, it's just a request from America's Gestapo. Compliance is mandatory.

AFAWK, it started with J6, and has since broadened

 

[shar-vell Dan]

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[Bad Brain]

AFAWK, it started with J6, and has since broadened

Suuuuuuure

 

[PDC]

Not entirely sure the govt needs a warrant to access data or information in which one does not have a constitutionally recognized ‘expectation of privacy.’ One has no constitutionally recognized expectation of privacy in one’s comings and goings - or purchases - in public places. Creepy? Yes. Disconcerting? Yes again. Unconstitutional or unlawful? Nope. Warrant predicate?? Nope again.

While Jim Jordan did receive a law degree in 2001 from Capitol City Law School (?), he conceded in 2018 that he never took the bar exam. JJ’s grasp of real-world 4th Amendment Jurisprudence is limited at best.

 

[rsm]

Not entirely sure the govt needs a warrant to access data or information in which one does not have a constitutionally recognized ‘expectation of privacy.’ One has no constitutionally recognized expectation of privacy in one’s comings and goings - or purchases - in public places. Creepy? Yes. Disconcerting? Yes again. Unconstitutional or unlawful? Nope. Warrant predicate?? Nope again.

government accessing your private data without a warrant sounds like a 4A violation to me.

 

[rsm]

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you spelled gestapo wrong.

 

[PDC]

government accessing your private data without a warrant sounds like a 4A violation to me.

In the legal arena, ‘Sounds like’ and ‘is’ are 2 very different things.

 

[Dave M]

Not entirely sure the govt needs a warrant to access data or information in which one does not have a constitutionally recognized ‘expectation of privacy.’ One has no constitutionally recognized expectation of privacy in one’s comings and goings - or purchases - in public places. Creepy? Yes. Disconcerting? Yes again. Unconstitutional or unlawful? Nope. Warrant predicate?? Nope again.

While Jim Jordan did receive a law degree in 2001 from Capitol City Law School (?), he conceded in 2018 that he never took the bar exam. JJ’s grasp of real-world 4th Amendment Jurisprudence is limited at best.

Wait. FIrst you say, "Not entirely sure". Then, "Unconstitutional or unlawful? Nope. Warrant predicate?? Nope again."

Which is it, you know for a fact and have cites, or pulling things out of your Brandon?

 

[Bad Brain]

Not entirely sure the govt needs a warrant to access data or information in which one does not have a constitutionally recognized ‘expectation of privacy.’ One has no constitutionally recognized expectation of privacy in one’s comings and goings - or purchases - in public places. Creepy? Yes. Disconcerting? Yes again. Unconstitutional or unlawful? Nope. Warrant predicate?? Nope again.

None of us is an attorney but I can tell you that your bank records are definitely considered private, whether you made a purchase in “public” or not. Regardless, they invent all kinds of legal justifications to do whatever they want, constitution or not, so it’s moot point.

 

[rsm]

In the legal arena, ‘Sounds like’ and ‘is’ are 2 very different things.

Totalitarians doing what they do.

 

[Bad Brain]

I actually am an attorney. Practiced exclusively criminal defense for 23+ years in 3 different federal jurisdictions and 2 states.

Okay. And you’re telling me that your bank records aren’t considered private? That stuff is super regulated.

 

[PDC]

None of us is an attorney but I can tell you that your bank records are definitely considered private, whether you made a purchase in “public” or not. Regardless, they invent all kinds of legal justifications to do whatever they want, constitution or not, so it’s moot point.

I actually am an attorney. Practiced exclusively criminal defense for 23+ years in 3 different federal jurisdictions and 2 states.

 

[PDC]

I have sifted through - and cross-examined Fed agents - on gigs and gigs worth of clients’ bank records collected upon issuance of a ‘Business Records Subpoena’ by the US Atty’s Office - which conclusively does NOT require a finding of ‘probable cause’ by a U.S. judge - District or Magistrate.

 

[PDC]

Seriously - this forum is where I go to get the F’ away from my work life. I love my Rig Talk brethren on both sides of the political aisle and I hate when threads turn sour. I should have read this one and scrolled along…

 

[Bad Brain]

I have sifted through - and cross-examined Fed agents - on gigs and gigs worth of clients’ bank records collected upon issuance of a ‘Business Records Subpoena’ by the US Atty’s Office - which conclusively does NOT require a finding of ‘probable cause’ by a U.S. judge - District or Magistrate.

The J6 stuff wasn’t even subpoenaed though, they just cast a net and took it ALL in, right?

 

[Bad Brain]

Seriously - this forum is where I go to get the F’ away from my work life. I love my Rig Talk brethren on both sides of the political aisle and I hate when threads turn sour. I should have read this one and scrolled along…

Oh this thread is far from sour by OTC standards ? but I hear ya!

 

[PDC]

The J6 stuff wasn’t even subpoenaed though, they just cast a net and took it ALL in, right?

You are absolutely right. And trust me, I have a huge problem with the US attorney sending a simple email request for records to a bank and getting immediate compliance - but when I send a letter requesting documents from a business on behalf of my clients, they make me jump through every single flaming hoop you can imagine. There definitely are two standards in our legal system, and the standard for complying with federal request is pretty darned ‘lax.’ If you work on the defense side of the room, everyone is happy to thumb their nose at you (!)

 

[rsm]

Well, nothing to worry about,

warrants, We don't no stinking warrants...