Ventura
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Tone ain't cheap.kasperjensen":a5p7gmr9 said:
Where's Tag when ya need him
Where's Tag when ya need him
grooveHT
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petethorn":31czroif said:
Pete, preach the hell on! Btw, what's this manual thing you keep talking about?
Reiep
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Those videos are crap and the guy knows it : comments locked 
Shark Diver
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I just popped randomly on spots in the first video because I wasn't going to watch an epic trilogy. He stated that processing power doesn't effect the tone. BS. How could he possibly know if with more power that the algorithms weren't improved beyond what the old processor could handle? Also, he stated that you wouldn't want to experiment with different tone stacks, mixing different amp parts together creating new hybrid models. Idiotic. All kinds of people like to experiment in ways that conventional wisdom would think is crazy.
Just popping on those two spots told me he had nothing relevant to say. Or at the very least there was no credibility, validity, to anything he was saying. Even if it's just his opinion, the premises he stated, that he based his opinions on, were patently false. Gave me no reason to even pop on the other 2 videos.
Just popping on those two spots told me he had nothing relevant to say. Or at the very least there was no credibility, validity, to anything he was saying. Even if it's just his opinion, the premises he stated, that he based his opinions on, were patently false. Gave me no reason to even pop on the other 2 videos.
kasperjensen
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Ventura":1ju4xm3z said:Tone ain't cheap.kasperjensen":1ju4xm3z said:
Where's Tag when ya need him
I should have clarified that one... I meant that Diezels are more expensive in the US than they are in Europe.
We get good deals here, and bad ones. Mostly bad though
Gainfreak
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This ^petethorn":lc1v6mh5 said:
RedRider
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He is a crusty guy set in his ways and is upset about the press the Axefx is getting and all the old Tube snobs cant keep up. He is OBVIOUSLY a plug in and run with it kind of guy and if he cant figure it out in 3 minutes he moves on...which is absolutely fine...but why he takes a 2 hour video to bag on the gear that the younger generation digs is beyond me. Its obvious he didnt WANT to like the thing.
On the price thing, yeah the Axe is insanely expensive and the profit margin is HUGE if you are just looking at the hardware....however that isnt what this box is...its a piece of software...the box is just a housing for the software. I work for a router manufacturer....before we were bought by a larger company we had 1200 employees, probably 850 of them were software development engineers...the rest were sales, management, and support....so OVER 75% of the company was here just to create the software to run the hardware...the profit margin on our boxes, if you just considered the manufacturing costs of the hardware was over 95%...I would say the Axe is probably close to the same. But once you factor in the amount of software development time that margin is SIGNIFICANTLY altered.
Also, the guy makes the exact point of the axe in his video even while trying to bash it....he is sitting in a HUGE room with a ton of space taken up by 5 heads all sitting on 4 x 12's and says if I wanna play a JTM 45 I plug into this one, a road king I plug into this one etc... all the while making a joke that he puts the Axe on bypass and plugs into them....well he can get 90% of true tone of all the amps he had there simply by reading that huge manual he was bitching about...so unless he has an entire wharehouse and a full time team of roadies to haul his gear, he will never get close to what the axe is capable of.
I do agree that if given the choice of my Soldano SLO or plugging into the Axe and putting it on the SLO patch I am going to pick plugging into the actual amp literally EVERY SINGLE TIME....and yeah, I do like the perceived feel of a tube amp better than the feel of every modeler I have ever played, including the axe, however the flexibility and portability in the tiny 2 rack space box is hard to pass up. If all I was going to play was my SLO and never leave my house, hell no the Axe would NEVER be better than that....but there is no way in hell my SLO and all the pedals in the world will ever be able to replicate everything the Axe can do.
THe guy is just a crotchity old bahstid who got blasted on the axefx forum or tgp and popped a video to feel better about his decision to not like the axefx...thats all it is. HE is completely set in his ways and cant realize why anyone would want to do things differently than the way he does things...kinda reminds me of when I was a kid and attempted to show my grandfather my digital watch and he pushed that a watch is for telling hte time right now, not for setting alarms, using as a stopwatch, knowing what time it was in hong kong and the US at the same time etc....the whole time he was arguing with me, saying "why would I want to do that???" LOL...this guy in the video is EXACTLY the same way.... COMPLETELY SET IN HIS WAYS
On the price thing, yeah the Axe is insanely expensive and the profit margin is HUGE if you are just looking at the hardware....however that isnt what this box is...its a piece of software...the box is just a housing for the software. I work for a router manufacturer....before we were bought by a larger company we had 1200 employees, probably 850 of them were software development engineers...the rest were sales, management, and support....so OVER 75% of the company was here just to create the software to run the hardware...the profit margin on our boxes, if you just considered the manufacturing costs of the hardware was over 95%...I would say the Axe is probably close to the same. But once you factor in the amount of software development time that margin is SIGNIFICANTLY altered.
Also, the guy makes the exact point of the axe in his video even while trying to bash it....he is sitting in a HUGE room with a ton of space taken up by 5 heads all sitting on 4 x 12's and says if I wanna play a JTM 45 I plug into this one, a road king I plug into this one etc... all the while making a joke that he puts the Axe on bypass and plugs into them....well he can get 90% of true tone of all the amps he had there simply by reading that huge manual he was bitching about...so unless he has an entire wharehouse and a full time team of roadies to haul his gear, he will never get close to what the axe is capable of.
I do agree that if given the choice of my Soldano SLO or plugging into the Axe and putting it on the SLO patch I am going to pick plugging into the actual amp literally EVERY SINGLE TIME....and yeah, I do like the perceived feel of a tube amp better than the feel of every modeler I have ever played, including the axe, however the flexibility and portability in the tiny 2 rack space box is hard to pass up. If all I was going to play was my SLO and never leave my house, hell no the Axe would NEVER be better than that....but there is no way in hell my SLO and all the pedals in the world will ever be able to replicate everything the Axe can do.
THe guy is just a crotchity old bahstid who got blasted on the axefx forum or tgp and popped a video to feel better about his decision to not like the axefx...thats all it is. HE is completely set in his ways and cant realize why anyone would want to do things differently than the way he does things...kinda reminds me of when I was a kid and attempted to show my grandfather my digital watch and he pushed that a watch is for telling hte time right now, not for setting alarms, using as a stopwatch, knowing what time it was in hong kong and the US at the same time etc....the whole time he was arguing with me, saying "why would I want to do that???" LOL...this guy in the video is EXACTLY the same way.... COMPLETELY SET IN HIS WAYS
RedRider
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petethorn":w9op61d3 said:
It all comes down to the fact that there are so MANY MORE CHOICES these days....QUALITY choices at that. You have tube snobs who say they are the best, you have modeling guys who say they are the best, guys who think channel switchers are the bomb while some guys want a single channel and a few pedals....and you have a bunch of guys who literally HAVE TO BELIEVE THEIR WAY IS RIGHT AND EVERYONE ELSES IS WRONG....vice just saying "Damn you can make some killer music doing something completely different than me!"
Its like an ass man telling a boob guy he is wrong....as long as both are getting laid is there really a wrong answer???
All the guys bitching and what not are just guys who HAVE to get someone else to say their way is the best way so they can feel better about the decisions they have made as far as gear...they need that justification to feel good about themselves I guess....
You nailed it all Pete...the real answer is that all the gear out there would sound a LOT better if everyone would quit bitchin and actually learn to play well instead!!
ejecta
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RedRider":1yumu1wd said:Its like an ass man telling a boob guy he is wrong....as long as both are getting laid is there really a wrong answer???
Sig worthy!
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Shiny_Surface
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Setting this guy's video aside for the moment,
I just think it's unrealistic not to expect negative criticism/bitching about gear on forums/video sites...
It just comes with the territory of the whole online experience, just imo.
Otherwise you have a fantasy happy land filled with salesman/representatives and fan's praising everything.
I just think it's unrealistic not to expect negative criticism/bitching about gear on forums/video sites...
It just comes with the territory of the whole online experience, just imo.
Otherwise you have a fantasy happy land filled with salesman/representatives and fan's praising everything.
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petethorn
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I hear ya and I agree of course it's fine to be critical, but this vid is over the top in spots.
There was a thread on TGP a couple weeks ago, and some guy who had a nice vintage marshall was asking something along the lines of "should I put this speaker in or that preamp tube, and get different cables, and what about this and that" and on and on, and one of the replys was
"Dude, just STFU, plug in, and play some rock"
And I found it refreshing and invigorating
There was a thread on TGP a couple weeks ago, and some guy who had a nice vintage marshall was asking something along the lines of "should I put this speaker in or that preamp tube, and get different cables, and what about this and that" and on and on, and one of the replys was
"Dude, just STFU, plug in, and play some rock"
And I found it refreshing and invigorating
Gainzilla
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petethorn":2wudzimv said:
Dont know if you saw this Pete but I put it up before you chimed in.
Gainzilla":2wudzimv said:
This DADA character hasnt contributed anything other than derogatory Fractal/AxeFx content. Theres a clear agenda..
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Anonymous
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First of all, I'm old and I still love my Axe!RedRider":1dmsb6vf said:
Second, you don't even have to open the manual to get to the depths of the unit to your heart's content. The wonderful little AxeEdit program unlocks just about everything. I've spent hours dicking around with amp models, adjusting just about every friggin' parameter and it is a complete blast and as easy as using any simple word processor. If you are computer savvy, I'd say the Axe is not very complicated to get completely crazy with.
Also, I have used some stock presets that sound phenomenal recorded in a mix. And, a lot of the stock presets can be made to sound killer with a little minor tweaking with AxeEdit. Takes 5 minutes sometimes to turn overboard effects usable. For direct recording, it is the best tool on the planet IMO.
The effects are great with my real amps.
I don't use it for live playing through my power amp much, but I guarantee that if I tweaked for a few minutes I could come up with some cool sounds.
As for the cost, gimme a break. Judging it by the boards and power supply and saying it's not worth it? DUMB! Any idea how much money in R&D went into that thing? That intellectual property is what you are paying for. Does it do what it says it does? YES! Is that worth the cash? I say an emphatic YES, but that is up to the buyer to decide based on what it DOES, not the sum total of chips, pots, boards and spot soldering...
My 2 cents... ... and yes, Pete and RedRider already said it before me and better...
Steve
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Anonymous
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I like fair criticism. It helps people improve and make better products. I just don't like ridiculous statements like saying the Axe is not worth it because it is a few hundred dollars in parts. Ignoring all the R&D that went into it and resulted in this product is just dumb.Shiny_Surface":11vz0lhd said:
But you're right. There will always be dumb people everywhere making dumb comments. The Internet is no different...
Steve
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Anonymous
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Sometimes you just have to learn the hard way that the biggest improvements in the sounds that come out of your cabs comes from the amount of quality time you spend playing your guitars...petethorn":2o4eafqi said:
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Shiny_Surface
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sah5150":1c964dzr said:But you're right. There will always be dumb people everywhere making dumb comments. The Internet is no different...
Steve
I have to admit even if I don't agree with the criticism sometimes I find it entertaining...
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Anonymous
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Me too - I found those videos hilarious, but not for the reasons the poster might expect...Shiny_Surface":f6shwndp said:sah5150":f6shwndp said:But you're right. There will always be dumb people everywhere making dumb comments. The Internet is no different...
Steve
I have to admit even if I don't agree with the criticism sometimes I find it entertaining...
Steve