Vonbonfire would be proud…

Still, if I had a punk band and you showed up to the gig with a kemper you'd be fired. It works that way in blues too. :LOL: :LOL: :LOL:


1. You would never be in a punk band (nor I)
2. Kempers are tools. Don't be a tool. Dan won't gig with a Kemper I can assure you.
3. Well maybe.
 
1. You would never be in a punk band (nor I)
2. Kempers are tools. Don't be a tool. Dan won't gig with a Kemper I can assure you.
3. Well maybe.
Dan. Would you gig with a kemper? Assuming you had a front of house, of course
 
I gigged with a line 6 hd500 floorboard for over a year once. Straight in the pa… it worked great…
 
1. You would never be in a punk band (nor I)
2. Kempers are tools. Don't be a tool. Dan won't gig with a Kemper I can assure you.
3. Well maybe.
1. I don't have the right skill set for a punk band but a live punk show done right would usually be more fun to me than a metal show. Fewer pretenses on average i.e no Kempers and wannabe badasses.:LOL:

2. Kempers are tools, and so are those who use them.:LOL:

3. 100% would.
 
I gigged with a line 6 hd500 floorboard for over a year once. Straight in the pa… it worked great…
That's like a drummer who shows up with a kick drum, snare, hi hat, and ride cymbal cause he don't wanna carry anything. Around here that's known as a quitter kit, lol. Might as well just switch to vocals and show up with an sm58 in your bag.:LOL:
 
That's like a drummer who shows up with a kick drum, snare, hi hat, and ride cymbal cause he don't wanna carry anything. Around here that's known as a quitter kit, lol. Might as well just switch to vocals and show up with an sm58 in your bag.:LOL:
That sounds like the og drummer for Danzig…except he had a bass drum also….
 
That sounds like the og drummer for Danzig…except he had a bass drum also….
That dude was a good drummer!

Kick drum=bass drum. One of the better players I've worked with used a quitter kit but he was former Marine Corps mountain division and saw some pretty intense combat in Afghanistan, not some lazy dipshit with a kit. You could see it in his eyes. Great dude, great drummer. Not exactly the right guy for my style but he always got the job done and was professional in all respects.
 
I'm sure you could?

But no one ever does because no one cares about clean or bass tones, because they aren't hard to emulate in a recording in the first place.

Yeah, obviously "in the room" you can't model an svts punch and grunt, but no one was complaining about ANY bass tone being hard to replicate, and then engineering a solution like they did with modelers
It's a fantastic unit for bass IMHO bro'.

Instant room-mode-free amp+cab sounds with depth and as much grit as you like.

The tactile response is phenomenal too.
 
It's a fantastic unit for bass IMHO bro'.

Instant room-mode-free amp+cab sounds with depth and as much grit as you like.

The tactile response is phenomenal too.

I think it works great too - but lets be real here, modelers weren't created to cop bass tones or clean tones. Those tones are easy enough to simulate with basically whatever gear any project studio/hobbyist has just freaking laying around. No one fires up the new AxeFX youtube video because the title is "YOU WONT BELIEVE this new brownface deluxe pushed clean!!!"

Neither does Neural release a special QC called "the brown note" that somehow more effectively captures the sound of Jay Bentley or Matt Freeman or whatever great bassist.

Modelers were invented because recording distorted guitar tones and making them sound good is difficult for people, and also to make recording more convenient and cost effective for professionals. And it succeeds in doing so.

It's just supremely eye-rolly to me when the question is "can it simulate an SVT" or "can it do a spanky funk clean" because 99.999999% of clean tones and bass tones are literally just straight into the board on 99.99999% of recordings ever created
 
I think it works great too - but lets be real here, modelers weren't created to cop bass tones or clean tones. Those tones are easy enough to simulate with basically whatever gear any project studio/hobbyist has just freaking laying around. No one fires up the new AxeFX youtube video because the title is "YOU WONT BELIEVE this new brownface deluxe pushed clean!!!"

Neither does Neural release a special QC called "the brown note" that somehow more effectively captures the sound of Jay Bentley or Matt Freeman or whatever great bassist.

Modelers were invented because recording distorted guitar tones and making them sound good is difficult for people, and also to make recording more convenient and cost effective for professionals. And it succeeds in doing so.

It's just supremely eye-rolly to me when the question is "can it simulate an SVT" or "can it do a spanky funk clean" because 99.999999% of clean tones and bass tones are literally just straight into the board on 99.99999% of recordings ever created
Fuck my life. Spanky clean tones is the most disgusting three words you have ever uttered in my time here
 
Strat with vintage pickups straight into a Twin. Try to make it sing, have fun. Pure spank. More crystal than a load of bathtub meth. I hated Twins back when I played strats, LOL.

The irony is that with any single coils ever created, literally any amp ever created is 1000% capable of "spanky clean tones"

I'm not even exaggerating, quite literally every single one

In fact, you don't even fucking need an AMP to get "spanky clean tones" - like I said, 99% of "spanky clean tones" you hear on records are just someone plugging directly into the board and getting some compression and EQ from the SSL or whatever they had in the studio


1. I don't have the right skill set for a punk band but a live punk show done right would usually be more fun to me than a metal show. Fewer pretenses on average i.e no Kempers and wannabe badasses.:LOL:

2. Kempers are tools, and so are those who use them.:LOL:

3. 100% would.

1. Playing punk live is a really underrated skill set, and people underestimate the amount of effort it takes to be a good live punk band - I know from hard-won experience. Punks are a tough crowd, and you need to legitimately bring it or else you're going to get spit on or stabbed (no, i'm not joking, i've seen it happen before)

2 and 3. I've used a kemper in a boomer cover band where I have to cover a ton of ground (and also, where I know the PA is going to be gigantic and give me plenty of sound reinforcement) but it would be wildly inappropriate in like 90% of gigging situations for people - not just me. For everyone. Especially the people who pretend they can just bring their axeIII or toaster to the gig as if that's their "fly rig" and they are the fuckin edge or something.

They require a legitimate monitoring system with a half dozen wedges as well as competent soundman/men - and as much as everyone wants to pretend they play giant gigs like that all the time, they are full of shit and lying.

Since three quarters of gigs wont have that kind of sound reinforcement, you will need so much supplemental gear (rack with power amp, FRFR, in ears for everyone in the band, etc etc) that it's actually more gear than if you brought a fucking marshall full stack. It drives me absolutely insane listening to these tools on TGP bullshit about how they gig with their kemper or axe fx or whatever and they're done with amps and blah blah.

They are lying. Making shit up.
 
The irony is that with any single coils ever created, literally any amp ever created is 1000% capable of "spanky clean tones"

I'm not even exaggerating, quite literally every single one

In fact, you don't even fucking need an AMP to get "spanky clean tones" - like I said, 99% of "spanky clean tones" you hear on records are just someone plugging directly into the board and getting some compression and EQ from the SSL or whatever they had in the studio




1. Playing punk live is a really underrated skill set, and people underestimate the amount of effort it takes to be a good live punk band - I know from hard-won experience. Punks are a tough crowd, and you need to legitimately bring it or else you're going to get spit on or stabbed (no, i'm not joking, i've seen it happen before)

2 and 3. I've used a kemper in a boomer cover band where I have to cover a ton of ground (and also, where I know the PA is going to be gigantic and give me plenty of sound reinforcement) but it would be wildly inappropriate in like 90% of gigging situations for people - not just me. For everyone. Especially the people who pretend they can just bring their axeIII or toaster to the gig as if that's their "fly rig" and they are the fuckin edge or something.

They require a legitimate monitoring system with a half dozen wedges as well as competent soundman/men - and as much as everyone wants to pretend they play giant gigs like that all the time, they are full of shit and lying.

Since three quarters of gigs wont have that kind of sound reinforcement, you will need so much supplemental gear (rack with power amp, FRFR, in ears for everyone in the band, etc etc) that it's actually more gear than if you brought a fucking marshall full stack. It drives me absolutely insane listening to these tools on TGP bullshit about how they gig with their kemper or axe fx or whatever and they're done with amps and blah blah.

They are lying. Making shit up.
My buddy used to gig in canada and it was tiny rooms with stages that the.musicians could barely fit on and a bunch of drunk hicks that barely knew what they were listening to.

You talk a lot about most gigs not having sound reinforcement. A lot of guys around here in the metal scene use toasters and line 6 helix and shit because a ton of places around here have front of house and loud fucking PAs.

I wonder if this is regional is basically my point.
 
I think it works great too - but lets be real here, modelers weren't created to cop bass tones or clean tones. Those tones are easy enough to simulate with basically whatever gear any project studio/hobbyist has just freaking laying around. No one fires up the new AxeFX youtube video because the title is "YOU WONT BELIEVE this new brownface deluxe pushed clean!!!"

Neither does Neural release a special QC called "the brown note" that somehow more effectively captures the sound of Jay Bentley or Matt Freeman or whatever great bassist.

Modelers were invented because recording distorted guitar tones and making them sound good is difficult for people, and also to make recording more convenient and cost effective for professionals. And it succeeds in doing so.

It's just supremely eye-rolly to me when the question is "can it simulate an SVT" or "can it do a spanky funk clean" because 99.999999% of clean tones and bass tones are literally just straight into the board on 99.99999% of recordings ever created
Line6 Bass Pod
Line6 Bass Podxt

They were good units.

Still, the Kemper's cab "capture" as part of the Profile has some magic to it. Having played and recorded bass since the '80s I can tell you that I'd take this thing any day over the "easy enough to simulate with basically whatever gear any project studio/hobbyist has just freaking laying around" "tones".

The sensation of non-tubby weight and moving air is there, amongst other things, the sum total of which sees the bass slotting into the role a mic'd bass cab was "designed for" mix-wise.

Honestly, the mere thought of attempting to recreate this in all its magnificence and subtlety using DI and plugins does my head in; I rode that clown car for years back in the day. Can it be done? Sure, and I agree with you on that, but IMHO the DI + bandpass distortion + amp-modeller / IR combination can't hold a candle to any decent Profile of, say, an SVT.

We'll have to agree to disagree Brother Dan. If you haven't paid much attention to your Kemper's bass abilities I strongly recommend you revisit them armed with a bunch of good Profiles. The words, "It's alive!" come to mind. :LOL:

EDIT
I will say that the Sansamp Bass DI performed really-well for rock bands back in the day. Plenty of welly without tubbiness. Not sure which model it was but I was impressed. That was back in '97 IIRC. :dunno:
 
The irony is that with any single coils ever created, literally any amp ever created is 1000% capable of "spanky clean tones"
I have an old Gibson-Maestro with a Seth Lover 6v6 and 6eu7 circuit that almost can't be played cleanly. Any hard strike of the strings will create breakup. I don't think it can do anything spanky. It's an amazing amp but always breaks down. Hoping to bring it back to operating condition this year.

1. Playing punk live is a really underrated skill set, and people underestimate the amount of effort it takes to be a good live punk band - I know from hard-won experience. Punks are a tough crowd, and you need to legitimately bring it or else you're going to get spit on or stabbed (no, i'm not joking, i've seen it happen before)
Believe it or not I have played quite a few gigs with punk bands on the bill and when I lived up north caught quite a few regional acts. Like blues it is deceptively simple. Easy to get started, very difficult to master. I still know a couple guys from back up there that gig occasionally. Minneapolis had solid blues, punk, and metal scenes with some very sharp players all around back then.

I wonder if this is regional is basically my point.
I think Austin is somewhat of an outlier cause I have done quite a few rinky dink gigs and the venue will have a soundman there. And more often than not they actually have some semblance of knowledge and professionalism. There are a lot of lame corporate events here that keep them employed when they aren't running sound at venues. At times it pisses me off cause it's unneeded in small clubs and a lotta times they make more money than the dudes in the band smh. It's one of the few areas I've worked where the soundman won't freak out when the guitars are loud. A lot of places the guys don't know how to deal with that.
 
I wonder if this is regional is basically my point.

Chris, I think you forget that i toured all over the US for many, many years :ROFLMAO: I think you guys forget that there are 50 whole US states, and the vast, vaaaast majority of "venues" that actual bands play actual concerts have barely above karaoke level setups. I would assert without any hesitation that it's more than half - more likely close to three quarters of "venues" are like this.


I think Austin is somewhat of an outlier cause I have done quite a few rinky dink gigs and the venue will have a soundman there. And more often than not they actually have some semblance of knowledge and professionalism. There are a lot of lame corporate events here that keep them employed when they aren't running sound at venues. At times it pisses me off cause it's unneeded in small clubs and a lotta times they make more money than the dudes in the band smh. It's one of the few areas I've worked where the soundman won't freak out when the guitars are loud. A lot of places the guys don't know how to deal with that.

Yes, @VonBonfire Austin gigs will more often have a soundman who's reasonably professional - Austin is literally one of the live entertainment/creative arts capitals of the country, and same with Minneapolis


I have an old Gibson-Maestro with a Seth Lover 6v6 and 6eu7 circuit that almost can't be played cleanly. Any hard strike of the strings will create breakup. I don't think it can do anything spanky. It's an amazing amp but always breaks down. Hoping to bring it back to operating condition this year.
I guarantee you if you lower the volume of your pickups you can get a spanky clean sound out of it. I would bet you a hundreds dollars, right now, if I had that amp I could do it right now.

deceptively simple. Easy to get started, very difficult to master

Yep, this is the key to it. It takes a very specific skill set, a lot like the blues.
 
Chris, I think you forget that i toured all over the US for many, many years :ROFLMAO: I think you guys forget that there are 50 whole US states, and the vast, vaaaast majority of "venues" that actual bands play actual concerts have barely above karaoke level setups. I would assert without any hesitation that it's more than half - more likely close to three quarters of "venues" are like this.




Yes, @VonBonfire Austin gigs will more often have a soundman who's reasonably professional - Austin is literally one of the live entertainment/creative arts capitals of the country, and same with Minneapolis
This makes sense. I am just in a great place to listen to live music.
 
This makes sense. I am just in a great place to listen to live music.
You can spend ten years playing gigs around town but you find out that there are all these different scenes that are worlds apart, with very little crossover in terms of the musicians among them. I know most of the blues players here but almost no punk or country dudes. My only social connection to those scenes would be through a soundman so unless they are really bad I make a point to be pleasant to them. It has lead to more gigs and even a few friends. Although after ten years there are a few soundmen I was pleasant to and they still cut me out of gigs so I think there are a few dreadlock white boys who need an attitude adjustment. And don't say I'm jealous just cause I can't pull off dreadlocks. I can, and they will scream like a bitch when I do it. :LOL:
 
You can spend ten years playing gigs around town but you find out that there are all these different scenes that are worlds apart, with very little crossover in terms of the musicians among them.

This is 100% true, but most relevant to the point I was making, the vast majority of those different "scenes" generally play in small bars and clubs - not big theaters, or else Chris would know about them. That's the crux of the issue.

The vast majority of local scenes are really small and tight-knit and gather around a specific bar or coffee shop or winery, something like that. It's not an actual "venue" like people with no gig-experience think of when they think of the word "venue."

It's honestly a "tell" for a lot of RTers that you can tell have never been in the trenches, as you or I would say - as if their first gigs or first tour with a band is going to have all these nice ass PAs with wedges and a soundguy for you to yell "I need more of that kemper's low end on my guitar in my monitor bro!" :hys:
 

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