Went to Guitar Center today

[zoom club]

Schenker pwns all of you

 

[Rock Bodom]

Schenker pwns all of you

And your user name just reminded me (assuming it's the obvious reference), I'd take Budgie over Sabbath any day too, one of the best early 70's bands of all time. Budgie, Montrose, Schenker for sure...examples of the other side of 70's awesomeness that should get talked about more if we want to get all "historical" about it.

 

[John 14:6]

Eddie, Randy, George, Warren, Jake, Vito, etc. ... these are my favorite guys, I will never be persuaded that their actual more advanced ability to play their instruments is fluff and a band like Sabbath is musically superior. I'm grateful that Sabbath was a key proto-metal group that started to define the sound of what metal would later become, I've got every one of their albums from the Ozzy and Dio era, and enjoy listening to them sometimes and fully appreciate their historical significance, but not remotely a favorite. Would I rather play Bark at the Moon or Paranoid? No contest, Jake any day.

Not that it should be a contest, like other guys have already stated. The coolest cats tend to love it all, more or less.

Those are some of my favorite players as well. I love a kinds of good and well played music from many genres. For guitar I can go from classical to Jerry Reed or Tommy Emmanuel and switch to George Lynch, Greg Howe or Jeff Beck in the same day. I still love most of the 60's, 70's and 80's classic rock and classic metal, though I am just burnt out on much of it.

I got heavily into Ozzy back in the Randy Rhoads/Jake E. Lee eras. I just never cared for Black Sabbath. I never found their music to be cool or heavy. It was always boring and plodding. AC/DC to me was the heaviest stuff around when I was in high school in the late 70's and early 80's. Sabbath was pretty much dead and done with other than the record with Dio.

I feel the same way about Mettalica. Hetfield can't sing to save his life and I am not a Kirk Hammet fan. Their music is sooooooooooooooo boring to me. I love Mustaine and Megadeth, especially with Marty Friedman. Mustaine can sing and be melodic in the process, plus he is a much better player and songwriter.

 

[Rock Bodom]

Eddie, Randy, George, Warren, Jake, Vito, etc. ... these are my favorite guys, I will never be persuaded that their actual more advanced ability to play their instruments is fluff and a band like Sabbath is musically superior. I'm grateful that Sabbath was a key proto-metal group that started to define the sound of what metal would later become, I've got every one of their albums from the Ozzy and Dio era, and enjoy listening to them sometimes and fully appreciate their historical significance, but not remotely a favorite. Would I rather play Bark at the Moon or Paranoid? No contest, Jake any day.

Not that it should be a contest, like other guys have already stated. The coolest cats tend to love it all, more or less.

Those are some of my favorite players as well. I love a kinds of good and well played music from many genres. For guitar I can go from classical to Jerry Reed or Tommy Emmanuel and switch to George Lynch, Greg Howe or Jeff Beck in the same day. I still love most of the 60's, 70's and 80's classic rock and classic metal, though I am just burnt out on much of it.

I got heavily into Ozzy back in the Randy Rhoads/Jake E. Lee eras. I just never cared for Black Sabbath. I never found their music to be cool or heavy. It was always boring and plodding. AC/DC to me was the heaviest stuff around when I was in high school in the late 70's and early 80's. Sabbath was pretty much dead and done with other than the record with Dio.

Pretty similar experiences, tastes here too
Yeah, good music is good music, I'm into different genres too and flip around a lot. But exactly the same on Ozzy, totally Randy and Jake that got me hooked.

 

[Rick Lee]

I was never much of a Sabbath fan either, but they are sort of the Founding Fathers of heavy metal. I got my first guitar right after VH's 1984 came out. I met Greg Howe a few mos. later when he was working with a contractor in my folks' house. He was totally unknown then, but he banged out all the VH classics in my room on my beater Hondo - Mean Street, HFT, you name it. We hung out a few times thereafter and then reconnected a few yrs. ago at NAMM. I was always a VH diehard, but I had to get through a lot of Zeppelin before I could handle playing VH and Randy R. stuff.

FWIW, there was a time when I sucked, but there were no GCs on the east coast then. Other than the occasional trip to 48th St. in NYC, I had been to about three music stores between the ages of 13-21. I knew everyone at those stores and it was not nearly as common for sucky players to crank it up and play Stairway or Nirvana or the like. These days bad players have no shame.

And if I want to play Nirvana, Heart Shaped Box is the only song to play in public. Flame away!

 

[zoom club]

I worked the first show of the ufo reunion in San Antonio during a Fiesta event....

I stood stage right maybe 10 feet from schenker, right next to the Swedish pirate and his bitchy girlfriend.

Yngvie was blown away. He said, "I can't believe what I am seeing".

 

[thiswaythatway]

Lay It Down? pppffttttt, let's hear someone play Body Talk, or Lovin You Is A Dirty Job.

 

[jcmlespaul]

Guitar center smells like sad...oh wait that's Walmart...come to think of it

 

[Rock Bodom]

Lay It Down? pppffttttt, let's hear someone play Body Talk, or Lovin You Is A Dirty Job.

Now you're talkin'
I'm partial to "I Want a Woman" myself.

 

[thiswaythatway]

Tone is in the fishnet.

Look out everyone, Stephen is coming for you.

 

[sg guy]

-ok,.. ive watched this thread turn to complete sht for too long-

-if any of you fools think you know SABBATH because of iron man & paranoid,... you've missed the boat, the ocean,..the planet,...the entire FCKING UNIVERSE!!...... AND IF YA BRAG ABOUT OWNING EVERY SABBATH ALBUM BUT THINK RATT IS "BETTER" IN ANY WAY,SHAPE OR FORM,..... OR "THINK" AC-DC IS HEAVIER THAN SABBATH YOUR FUCKING DELUSIONAL!!

-yo!!,.. moderator's ... how the hell do I put people on the BLOCKED/DELETED/POOF-GONE/IGNORE LIST!!!.... I never wanna hear another word out of any of these dribbling idiot's ass for a mouth,... YING-YANG lovin,..wanna be a shredder, mouth's ever again!!!!

 

[sg guy]

-found the "foes-ignore" function!!!

-life is beautiful again,...

 

[FourT6and2]

The only thing I play at Guitar Center is the Top Gun Anthem. And I do it while wearing a flight suit I bought at the local army/navy surplus store.

 

[John 14:6]

The only thing I play at Guitar Center is the Top Gun Anthem. And I do it while wearing a flight suit I bought at the local army/navy surplus store.

I can see how the flight suit would just add that special something when playing that one.

 

[John 14:6]

In all seriousness Reza, that's the problem with stuff like this. You say diversity is good, but you take jabs at other people's music but can't take it back. This guy just melted down because of "Ratt". No matter how bad the visual on Pearcy's fishnet tank, that's pretty over the top.

Nobody started a Ratt thread and said Sabbath sucked compared to them. You just poked at them a bit and got some in return...that's it. But you're being elitist if you keep going on about "real rock" and mocking a whole genre of music you don't like. I don't like Tool, but I'm not going to lose respect for someone who's crazy about them. There's a line between really liking what you like and being opinionated about it, versus trying to mock people, either directly or back-handedly, because of the music they like.

Other guys said it earlier and said it well...you can enjoy it all. You don't HAVE to enjoy it all, but you CAN. And if you don't, stop pissing on other people who do. Sabbath is a major historic band. Tool is huge too. They've reached tons of people in huge way, I'm not upset about this just because they don't hit me as big.

And the ignore button...well, to each their own. But that feels like "taking my ball and going home". If someone says, "Sabbath is pure metal to me and I just don't get Ratt", that's cool. But the whole childish..."what the fuckin idiot ass ANGRY ANGRY ANGRY hair metal sucks" rant all the time gets old. Not cool at all.

You're absolutely right. I guess my way of expressing myself loses ALOT in textual translation. Im pretty easy going and I love to talk shit and have fun doing that with my friends. I don't mean to come off too serious,but I can see how what is written can be read in multiple lights.

I actually enjoyed some Ratt music when I was a kid, I always thought dimartini was a fine guitarist. The whole original post was about being silently amused at Lay it Down being played. I have actually NEVER seen anyone play it in front of me. I just laughed to myself because it reminded me of this forum and this whole debacle between the hair metal kids and the metal kids.

Im definitely more on the side of the darker more substantive rock music spectrum vs. party music (not trying to make that a diss) , but it is what it is.
Bright vivid colors, spandex etc. never really struck a chord with me (no pun intended).

I can honestly say I understand the appreciation even though I can't relate to it.

that being said...when someone says they don't like TOOL or Sabbath, thats an immediate disconnect. I just can't relate. I understand there is a difference between us and that divide may never be bridged, but it really does color the way I view the persons musical palette and to some degree in MY lowly opinion their musical sophistication.
And i say that with as much sensitivity as could be mustered.

If you can't appreciate Sabbath, Tool, Metallica, and other more intense and complex music, I don't have as much common ground with you. Thats all it is, not elitist but preferential....I hope that clears it up.

At least Ozzy could sing. Tool and Mettalica have the talk and growl during the verse, and shout and growl during the boring chorus "singers." There music is not all that complicated in the first place. You need to get out more if that is what you consider intricate music. Ratt, Van Halen, Dokken and bands like that were metal before there were genres like Trash or Nu-Metal. They did not stop being metal because some kids today think they look funny and call it "Hair Metal." Everyone had puffy hair back then including Ozzy and Dio. Your kids will laugh when they see pictures of you 10 years from now. I still dig and appreciate classic metal like Ratt and well played guitar that rocks and grooves. I get bored to tears by plodding monotone bands like Tool. Every song sounds they same. I am not even sure that Adam Jones can get from one end of the fretboard and back safely.

Rockin Chippy is a pretty darn good player. He demos a lot of great gear and his demos show you what the stuff can do in the right hands. I don't think I have ever heard you solo in any of your gear demos. You play the same few riffs, kick on a delay pedal and the lo-fi pedal. I have seen your clips and that is why it got under my skin when you started a thread to poke fun at a great player like Warre DeMartini. Are you a better guitarist than DeMartini?

 

[Rock Bodom]

In all seriousness Reza, that's the problem with stuff like this. You say diversity is good, but you take jabs at other people's music but can't take it back. This guy just melted down because of "Ratt". No matter how bad the visual on Pearcy's fishnet tank, that's pretty over the top.

Nobody started a Ratt thread and said Sabbath sucked compared to them. You just poked at them a bit and got some in return...that's it. But you're being elitist if you keep going on about "real rock" and mocking a whole genre of music you don't like. I don't like Tool, but I'm not going to lose respect for someone who's crazy about them. There's a line between really liking what you like and being opinionated about it, versus trying to mock people, either directly or back-handedly, because of the music they like.

Other guys said it earlier and said it well...you can enjoy it all. You don't HAVE to enjoy it all, but you CAN. And if you don't, stop pissing on other people who do. Sabbath is a major historic band. Tool is huge too. They've reached tons of people in huge way, I'm not upset about this just because they don't hit me as big.

And the ignore button...well, to each their own. But that feels like "taking my ball and going home". If someone says, "Sabbath is pure metal to me and I just don't get Ratt", that's cool. But the whole childish..."what the fuckin idiot ass ANGRY ANGRY ANGRY hair metal sucks" rant all the time gets old. Not cool at all.

You're absolutely right. I guess my way of expressing myself loses ALOT in textual translation. Im pretty easy going and I love to talk shit and have fun doing that with my friends. I don't mean to come off too serious,but I can see how what is written can be read in multiple lights.

I actually enjoyed some Ratt music when I was a kid, I always thought dimartini was a fine guitarist. The whole original post was about being silently amused at Lay it Down being played. I have actually NEVER seen anyone play it in front of me. I just laughed to myself because it reminded me of this forum and this whole debacle between the hair metal kids and the metal kids.

Im definitely more on the side of the darker more substantive rock music spectrum vs. party music (not trying to make that a diss) , but it is what it is.
Bright vivid colors, spandex etc. never really struck a chord with me (no pun intended).

I can honestly say I understand the appreciation even though I can't relate to it.

that being said...when someone says they don't like TOOL or Sabbath, thats an immediate disconnect. I just can't relate. I understand there is a difference between us and that divide may never be bridged, but it really does color the way I view the persons musical palette and to some degree in MY lowly opinion their musical sophistication.
And i say that with as much sensitivity as could be mustered.

If you can't appreciate Sabbath, Tool, Metallica, and other more intense and complex music, I don't have as much common ground with you. Thats all it is, not elitist but preferential....I hope that clears it up.

That's cool, I actually tried to delete my post cause in hindsight, I thought I might be stirring up a bit of a shitstorm (I hate that stuff on forums), but I'm glad you caught it and responded. I think there are musical merits to most all hard rock and metal. It's just, I started on stuff like Randy Rhoads solos, while I try to hear the magic of Iommi too (and at times I really do), learning Diary of a Madman note for note was more "complex" to me than say War Pigs (again, no disrespect to that song, classic all the way of course). I'm not gonna say "Randy was better" because that's not the point, but more along the lines of what you were saying about musical palettes.

Again, all cool, appreciate you taking those comments and sounding that out, much better than a shouting match

 

[Rock Bodom]

Oh, and for the record...I never wore a fishnet tank top back in the day. Except that one time.

 

[FourT6and2]

Reza, STFU. Tool is the worst. They're like Picasso—that duder used Cubism in every freakin' painting he did. Dude was a one-trick pony. Seen one of his paintings, seen 'em all. Same goes for George Carlin. His standup was just stale. Why couldn't he mix it up with a little slapstick for once. Man. So boring. Don't even get me started on my local Italian joint. They probably don't even know how to cook in a wok. Hey guys, how about some goddamn stir fry noodles for once! Assholes.

 

[maddnotez]

In all seriousness Reza, that's the problem with stuff like this. You say diversity is good, but you take jabs at other people's music but can't take it back. This guy just melted down because of "Ratt". No matter how bad the visual on Pearcy's fishnet tank, that's pretty over the top.

Nobody started a Ratt thread and said Sabbath sucked compared to them. You just poked at them a bit and got some in return...that's it. But you're being elitist if you keep going on about "real rock" and mocking a whole genre of music you don't like. I don't like Tool, but I'm not going to lose respect for someone who's crazy about them. There's a line between really liking what you like and being opinionated about it, versus trying to mock people, either directly or back-handedly, because of the music they like.

Other guys said it earlier and said it well...you can enjoy it all. You don't HAVE to enjoy it all, but you CAN. And if you don't, stop pissing on other people who do. Sabbath is a major historic band. Tool is huge too. They've reached tons of people in huge way, I'm not upset about this just because they don't hit me as big.

And the ignore button...well, to each their own. But that feels like "taking my ball and going home". If someone says, "Sabbath is pure metal to me and I just don't get Ratt", that's cool. But the whole childish..."what the fuckin idiot ass ANGRY ANGRY ANGRY hair metal sucks" rant all the time gets old. Not cool at all.

You're absolutely right. I guess my way of expressing myself loses ALOT in textual translation. Im pretty easy going and I love to talk shit and have fun doing that with my friends. I don't mean to come off too serious,but I can see how what is written can be read in multiple lights.

I actually enjoyed some Ratt music when I was a kid, I always thought dimartini was a fine guitarist. The whole original post was about being silently amused at Lay it Down being played. I have actually NEVER seen anyone play it in front of me. I just laughed to myself because it reminded me of this forum and this whole debacle between the hair metal kids and the metal kids.

Im definitely more on the side of the darker more substantive rock music spectrum vs. party music (not trying to make that a diss) , but it is what it is.
Bright vivid colors, spandex etc. never really struck a chord with me (no pun intended).

I can honestly say I understand the appreciation even though I can't relate to it.

that being said...when someone says they don't like TOOL or Sabbath, thats an immediate disconnect. I just can't relate. I understand there is a difference between us and that divide may never be bridged, but it really does color the way I view the persons musical palette and to some degree in MY lowly opinion their musical sophistication.
And i say that with as much sensitivity as could be mustered.

If you can't appreciate Sabbath, Tool, Metallica, and other more intense and complex music, I don't have as much common ground with you. Thats all it is, not elitist but preferential....I hope that clears it up.

At least Ozzy could sing. Tool and Mettalica have the talk and growl during the verse, and shout and growl during the boring chorus "singers." There music is not all that complicated in the first place. You need to get out more if that is what you consider intricate music. Ratt, Van Halen, Dokken and bands like that were metal before there were genres like Trash or Nu-Metal. They did not stop being metal because some kids today thinks they look funny and call it "Hair Metal." Everyone had puffy hair back then including Ozzy and Dio. Your kids will laugh when they see pictures of you 10 years from now. I still dig and appreciate classic metal like Ratt and well played guitar that rocks and grooves. I get bored to tears by plodding monotone bands like Tool. Every song sounds they same. I am not even sure that Adam Jones can get from one end of the fretboard and back safely.

Rockin Chippy is a pretty darn good player. He demos a lot of great gear and his demos show you what the stuff can do in the right hands. I don't think I have ever heard you solo in any of your gear demos. You play the same few riffs, kick on a delay pedal and the lo-fi pedal. I have seen your clips and that is why it got under my skin when you started a thread to poke fun at a great player like Warre DeMartini. Are you a better guitarist than DeMartini?

Firstly. Maynard is an incredibly vocalist.

Secondly, I don't need any comments about what is or is NOT intricate (because hair metal is NOT). GO ahead and give me all the time signatures this song is in...if you can of course.

As far as myself , I totally suck and I wish I had the "right hands" that the other cat has, but thats my life story so I can live with that. But here is some hacking shit lead playing just to satisfy your point that I never solo in my vids.

I liked Tool way back when. Undertow was the first album I heard and loved it, I bought their EP's after that and I did also like Enima but that is where they started losing me. I didn't really like the way they progressed.

I have heard a few of the later songs here and there that I did like but haven't really followed them or been big into them since the early days.

That solo video you made was pretty awesome though man. I really need to practice some scales and lead work. I spent most of my playing trying to come up with the best riffs I can and songwriting. I pretty much suck at leads.

 

[John 14:6]

In all seriousness Reza, that's the problem with stuff like this. You say diversity is good, but you take jabs at other people's music but can't take it back. This guy just melted down because of "Ratt". No matter how bad the visual on Pearcy's fishnet tank, that's pretty over the top.

Nobody started a Ratt thread and said Sabbath sucked compared to them. You just poked at them a bit and got some in return...that's it. But you're being elitist if you keep going on about "real rock" and mocking a whole genre of music you don't like. I don't like Tool, but I'm not going to lose respect for someone who's crazy about them. There's a line between really liking what you like and being opinionated about it, versus trying to mock people, either directly or back-handedly, because of the music they like.

Other guys said it earlier and said it well...you can enjoy it all. You don't HAVE to enjoy it all, but you CAN. And if you don't, stop pissing on other people who do. Sabbath is a major historic band. Tool is huge too. They've reached tons of people in huge way, I'm not upset about this just because they don't hit me as big.

And the ignore button...well, to each their own. But that feels like "taking my ball and going home". If someone says, "Sabbath is pure metal to me and I just don't get Ratt", that's cool. But the whole childish..."what the fuckin idiot ass ANGRY ANGRY ANGRY hair metal sucks" rant all the time gets old. Not cool at all.

You're absolutely right. I guess my way of expressing myself loses ALOT in textual translation. Im pretty easy going and I love to talk shit and have fun doing that with my friends. I don't mean to come off too serious,but I can see how what is written can be read in multiple lights.

I actually enjoyed some Ratt music when I was a kid, I always thought dimartini was a fine guitarist. The whole original post was about being silently amused at Lay it Down being played. I have actually NEVER seen anyone play it in front of me. I just laughed to myself because it reminded me of this forum and this whole debacle between the hair metal kids and the metal kids.

Im definitely more on the side of the darker more substantive rock music spectrum vs. party music (not trying to make that a diss) , but it is what it is.
Bright vivid colors, spandex etc. never really struck a chord with me (no pun intended).

I can honestly say I understand the appreciation even though I can't relate to it.

that being said...when someone says they don't like TOOL or Sabbath, thats an immediate disconnect. I just can't relate. I understand there is a difference between us and that divide may never be bridged, but it really does color the way I view the persons musical palette and to some degree in MY lowly opinion their musical sophistication.
And i say that with as much sensitivity as could be mustered.

If you can't appreciate Sabbath, Tool, Metallica, and other more intense and complex music, I don't have as much common ground with you. Thats all it is, not elitist but preferential....I hope that clears it up.

At least Ozzy could sing. Tool and Mettalica have the talk and growl during the verse, and shout and growl during the boring chorus "singers." There music is not all that complicated in the first place. You need to get out more if that is what you consider intricate music. Ratt, Van Halen, Dokken and bands like that were metal before there were genres like Trash or Nu-Metal. They did not stop being metal because some kids today thinks they look funny and call it "Hair Metal." Everyone had puffy hair back then including Ozzy and Dio. Your kids will laugh when they see pictures of you 10 years from now. I still dig and appreciate classic metal like Ratt and well played guitar that rocks and grooves. I get bored to tears by plodding monotone bands like Tool. Every song sounds they same. I am not even sure that Adam Jones can get from one end of the fretboard and back safely.

Rockin Chippy is a pretty darn good player. He demos a lot of great gear and his demos show you what the stuff can do in the right hands. I don't think I have ever heard you solo in any of your gear demos. You play the same few riffs, kick on a delay pedal and the lo-fi pedal. I have seen your clips and that is why it got under my skin when you started a thread to poke fun at a great player like Warre DeMartini. Are you a better guitarist than DeMartini?

Firstly. Maynard is an incredibly vocalist.

Secondly, I don't need any comments about what is or is NOT intricate (because hair metal is NOT). GO ahead and give me all the time signatures this song is in...if you can of course.

As far as myself , I totally suck and I wish I had the "right hands" that the other cat has, but thats my life story so I can live with that. But here is some hacking shit lead playing just to satisfy your point that I never solo in my vids.

Reza, I would like to apologize to you for coming across harsh and for even being bothered by the thread in the first place. I guess it was the wrong thread at the wrong time for me. I think what set me off was the "Butt Rock" comment. All of those 80's players and bands had plenty of adoring female fans. The only gay guy I can think of was Rob Halford and he did not even have any hair. I do listen to your demos and you are a good player with great tone and skill for the stuff you are into. I do get frustrated when I want to hear something besides the modern metal stuff being played through your rig, but I understand that is the style you are passionate about and the style you write in. I can always hear someone else playing Van Halen or Dokken through a BE100, though probably not with as nice of a pedalboard as you have. I will check out the clips you posted here when I get home tonight.

I took lessons from this guy here and he is the best guitar player I have ever known personally. Darren had three records on Shrapnel Records and was the poster child for bad timing when it came to hitting the scene at the wrong time. When Nirvana's Nevermind record came out it was never mind anyone who played, looked or sounded like Darren Housholder. There were a lot of guys in the 90's who could not play too well and poked a lot of fun at guys who could. I will probably always have a sore spot there. All the best to you and your musical career.