Went to Guitar Center today

[Mr. Willy]

Not going to read through this whole thread...just need to know...is it ok to like Sabbath, Tool, and Ratt? Or is that not ok? Thanks!

(I'll update what I listen to based on the responses I get here.)

 

[Emperor Guillotine]

>Goes into Guitar Center
>Initiates thread leading to impending meltdown with people taking jabs at other's tastes in music while the others defend their tastes in music

 

[Anonymous]

I love all of the music mentioned in this thread.

I also played original hard rock in the '80s and dressed, like... well... just look at my "before" picture to the left... and I ain't apologizing for it. I loved playing cool guitar stuff and having rooms full of chicks screaming for us... it was fun and I loved the music we wrote and played.

I also understand people who hate everything that the music I played and loved stood for... it's all good to me... Different strokes...

Steve

 

[thiswaythatway]

Are Paul Stanley and Stephen Pearcy related?

 

[rupe]

I love all of the music mentioned in this thread.

I also played original hard rock in the '80s and dressed, like... well... just look at my "before" picture to the left... and I ain't apologizing for it. I loved playing cool guitar stuff and having rooms full of chicks screaming for us... it was fun and I loved the music we wrote and played.

I also understand people who hate everything that the music I played and loved stood for... it's all good to me... Different strokes...

Steve

This...on the opposite coast

 

[mdc1mdc11]

Are Paul Stanley and Stephen Pearcy related?

probably same extracurricular activities..

 

[John 14:6]

In all seriousness Reza, that's the problem with stuff like this. You say diversity is good, but you take jabs at other people's music but can't take it back. This guy just melted down because of "Ratt". No matter how bad the visual on Pearcy's fishnet tank, that's pretty over the top.

Nobody started a Ratt thread and said Sabbath sucked compared to them. You just poked at them a bit and got some in return...that's it. But you're being elitist if you keep going on about "real rock" and mocking a whole genre of music you don't like. I don't like Tool, but I'm not going to lose respect for someone who's crazy about them. There's a line between really liking what you like and being opinionated about it, versus trying to mock people, either directly or back-handedly, because of the music they like.

Other guys said it earlier and said it well...you can enjoy it all. You don't HAVE to enjoy it all, but you CAN. And if you don't, stop pissing on other people who do. Sabbath is a major historic band. Tool is huge too. They've reached tons of people in huge way, I'm not upset about this just because they don't hit me as big.

And the ignore button...well, to each their own. But that feels like "taking my ball and going home". If someone says, "Sabbath is pure metal to me and I just don't get Ratt", that's cool. But the whole childish..."what the fuckin idiot ass ANGRY ANGRY ANGRY hair metal sucks" rant all the time gets old. Not cool at all.

You're absolutely right. I guess my way of expressing myself loses ALOT in textual translation. Im pretty easy going and I love to talk shit and have fun doing that with my friends. I don't mean to come off too serious,but I can see how what is written can be read in multiple lights.

I actually enjoyed some Ratt music when I was a kid, I always thought dimartini was a fine guitarist. The whole original post was about being silently amused at Lay it Down being played. I have actually NEVER seen anyone play it in front of me. I just laughed to myself because it reminded me of this forum and this whole debacle between the hair metal kids and the metal kids.

Im definitely more on the side of the darker more substantive rock music spectrum vs. party music (not trying to make that a diss) , but it is what it is.
Bright vivid colors, spandex etc. never really struck a chord with me (no pun intended).

I can honestly say I understand the appreciation even though I can't relate to it.

that being said...when someone says they don't like TOOL or Sabbath, thats an immediate disconnect. I just can't relate. I understand there is a difference between us and that divide may never be bridged, but it really does color the way I view the persons musical palette and to some degree in MY lowly opinion their musical sophistication.
And i say that with as much sensitivity as could be mustered.

If you can't appreciate Sabbath, Tool, Metallica, and other more intense and complex music, I don't have as much common ground with you. Thats all it is, not elitist but preferential....I hope that clears it up.

At least Ozzy could sing. Tool and Mettalica have the talk and growl during the verse, and shout and growl during the boring chorus "singers." There music is not all that complicated in the first place. You need to get out more if that is what you consider intricate music. Ratt, Van Halen, Dokken and bands like that were metal before there were genres like Trash or Nu-Metal. They did not stop being metal because some kids today thinks they look funny and call it "Hair Metal." Everyone had puffy hair back then including Ozzy and Dio. Your kids will laugh when they see pictures of you 10 years from now. I still dig and appreciate classic metal like Ratt and well played guitar that rocks and grooves. I get bored to tears by plodding monotone bands like Tool. Every song sounds they same. I am not even sure that Adam Jones can get from one end of the fretboard and back safely.

Rockin Chippy is a pretty darn good player. He demos a lot of great gear and his demos show you what the stuff can do in the right hands. I don't think I have ever heard you solo in any of your gear demos. You play the same few riffs, kick on a delay pedal and the lo-fi pedal. I have seen your clips and that is why it got under my skin when you started a thread to poke fun at a great player like Warre DeMartini. Are you a better guitarist than DeMartini?

Firstly. Maynard is an incredibly vocalist.

Secondly, I don't need any comments about what is or is NOT intricate (because hair metal is NOT). GO ahead and give me all the time signatures this song is in...if you can of course.

As far as myself , I totally suck and I wish I had the "right hands" that the other cat has, but thats my life story so I can live with that. But here is some hacking shit lead playing just to satisfy your point that I never solo in my vids.

I liked Tool way back when. Undertow was the first album I heard and loved it, I bought their EP's after that and I did also like Enima but that is where they started losing me. I didn't really like the way they progressed.

I have heard a few of the later songs here and there that I did like but haven't really followed them or been big into them since the early days.

That solo video you made was pretty awesome though man. I really need to practice some scales and lead work. I spent most of my playing trying to come up with the best riffs I can and songwriting. I pretty much suck at leads.

I thought your solo sounded pretty darn cool and I hope you will throw more of that stuff in your gear demos. I have heard the Perfect Circle and Tool songs before and they are just not my thing. If they had a different singer I might enjoy them more. The same thing goes for Mettalica. Just not my thing. Obviously many others disagree and love the way these guys "sing." To my ears this here is great hard rock/metal singing and this stuff full on ROCKS! You will probably have a much different opinion.

 

[Rock Bodom]

You know I'm on board with those Dokken clips all the way

I can play the 90's game too though (I was gigging throughout the 90's even though my heart and roots are 80's all the way). I said I didn't care for Tool, but that's cause Deftones crushes them

It's funny, we say it's not a contest, but it always kind of is

 

[Rock Bodom]

You know, side note, a lot of 80's guys obviously know this, but the irony was that musically, right at the end of the decade heading into the early 90's, the eyeliner was toning down a bit and some last hurrah bands were just killer. Badlands, Blue Murder, early Lynch Mob...there was more than Steelheart going on there at the end. I could have taken a whole decade of where those bands were headed.

 

[Tone Zone]

You're right, I should have stfu a long time ago...

 

[maddnotez]

You know, side note, a lot of 80's guys obviously know this, but the irony was that musically, right at the end of the decade heading into the early 90's, the eyeliner was toning down a bit and some last hurrah bands were just killer. Badlands, Blue Murder, early Lynch Mob...there was more than Steelheart going on there at the end. I could have taken a whole decade of where those bands were headed.

You should be listening To this then:

Not really my preferred taste in music but these guys kick ass. The bass player is pretty awesome.

Tone Zone still has the best signature I have ever seen, cracks me up every time

 

[Rock Bodom]

You know, side note, a lot of 80's guys obviously know this, but the irony was that musically, right at the end of the decade heading into the early 90's, the eyeliner was toning down a bit and some last hurrah bands were just killer. Badlands, Blue Murder, early Lynch Mob...there was more than Steelheart going on there at the end. I could have taken a whole decade of where those bands were headed.

You should be listening To this then:

Oh yeah, Joe Holmes, I remember him from the Ozzy days, guy can play like a mutha. Ok, we're finding some middle ground here

I'm still more of a melodic rock guy, but this is a cool project he's got (I'd heard of it, hadn't checked it out)...I'm hearing like 70's, 80's and 90's in this, familiar but kind of different at the same time. Got some real vocals on there too!

 

[messenger]

I love when people speak of musical taste as absolutes instead of opinions and get pissy when someone expresses their opinion lol. That's like saying red is so much better than blue. When I was growing up my group of friends had no problem listening to sabbath, Metallica, crue, Cinderella, ozzy, priest, G n' R, Poison all in the same night. It was just metal to us. I don't remember having 500 different sub genres.

 

[messenger]

I think saying sabbath is the original heavy metal band is different than saying they are better than another band. For that you just have to go back and see who was around first making that "type" of music.

 

[lester]

Zeppelin, Sabbath, Hendrix, Floyd.
Those are my pillars. Everything else I love is derived from them.

Yep. Pretty much.

 

[John 14:6]

You know, side note, a lot of 80's guys obviously know this, but the irony was that musically, right at the end of the decade heading into the early 90's, the eyeliner was toning down a bit and some last hurrah bands were just killer. Badlands, Blue Murder, early Lynch Mob...there was more than Steelheart going on there at the end. I could have taken a whole decade of where those bands were headed.

Yup, a lot of bands were going away from that look or toning it down somewhat in the early 90's. I never owned or wore any spandex, but I did wear stuff that I thought was cool on stage. I always thought that rock bands and rock stars should look the part. Ritchie Blackmore, Jeff Beck, George Lynch, Jake E. Lee looked and played like rock stars. I always thought that was cool when I was growing up.

And speaking of Steelheart and rock stars, this is one of my favorite movie scenes. Miljenko Matijevic has one of the best heavy rock/metal voices of all time.

 

[Rock Bodom]

You know, side note, a lot of 80's guys obviously know this, but the irony was that musically, right at the end of the decade heading into the early 90's, the eyeliner was toning down a bit and some last hurrah bands were just killer. Badlands, Blue Murder, early Lynch Mob...there was more than Steelheart going on there at the end. I could have taken a whole decade of where those bands were headed.

Yup, a lot of bands were going away from that look or toning it down somewhat in the early 90's. I never owned or wore any spandex, but I did wear stuff that I thought was cool on stage. I always thought that rock bands and rock stars should look the part. Ritchie Blackmore, Jeff Beck, George Lynch, Jake E. Lee looked and played like rock stars. I always thought that was cool when I was growing up.

And speaking of Steelheart and rock stars, this is one of my favorite movie scenes. Miljenko Matijevic has one of the best heavy rock/metal voices of all time.

Yup, rock star fashion means different things to different people over the years, but I was always kind of partial to dressing the part (music is king, but you're still putting on a show).

I hear you on Miljenko Matijevic, I was teasing on Steelheart (I poke fun at my own musical tastes all the time too even though I'm unabashedly an 80's guy). Him and like Tony Harnell had that crazy range (man those high notes!), but yeah, great singer overall.

I think the problem with a Steelheart and a number of bands towards the end wasn't necessarily the level of musical ability, but rather they weren't bringing anything new to the table either and all trends have a shelf life. Lots of REALLY polished hard rockers at that point, FireHouse, Steelheart, Slaughter, etc., but nothing was breaking through in a huge way like hearing VH I for the first time or some of those great early to mid-80's albums from the second wave bands.

Great movie reference too, I always loved how they got like Pilson, Zakk, etc. into those parts!

 

[Rock Bodom]

And since we're WAY past "Lay it Down" protocol at GC, my olive branch to the Sabbath guys. Flipped through my iTunes for some of my favorite retro type tunes with some Sabbath-era flavor to them:

 

[thiswaythatway]

You know, side note, a lot of 80's guys obviously know this, but the irony was that musically, right at the end of the decade heading into the early 90's, the eyeliner was toning down a bit and some last hurrah bands were just killer. Badlands, Blue Murder, early Lynch Mob...there was more than Steelheart going on there at the end. I could have taken a whole decade of where those bands were headed.

On another note, bands from the 80's that didn't suck can still tour today and fill an arena while bands like Ratt and Dokken would play to 20 drunk bikers at the County Fair.

The REAL 80's for me was Iron Maiden, Priest, Dio, Metallica, Ozzy, AC/DC, etc. While guys like George Lynch and DeMartini were obviously incredible players, the music for the most part, was GAY. It seems like once Motley Crew had a big hit with Home Sweet Home every fucking gay LA band had to have their ballad and it went downhill. Bands like Priest and Maiden did see a decline in popularity during the dark ages, grunge, but they have persevered and are still going.

And yes, Badlands was badass but they never really took off and got that popular.

 

[Rock Bodom]

The REAL 80's for me was Iron Maiden, Priest, Dio, Metallica, Ozzy, AC/DC, etc. While guys like George Lynch and DeMartini were obviously incredible players, the music for the most part, was GAY. It seems like once Motley Crew had a big hit with Home Sweet Home every fucking gay LA band had to have their ballad and it went downhill. Bands like Priest and Maiden did see a decline in popularity during the dark ages, grunge, but they have persevered and are still going.

I hear you...and sorry, I thought earlier you actually WERE a Ratt fan just messing with those pictures, I thought I remembered you from USAC and just assumed everyone from there was a hair guy!

Yeah, maybe a bit on the gay side, but what can you do, killer music to play on guitar nonetheless and I thought more about girls those days more than anything else, and the fashion and stupid themed songs all fit the bill.

And you don't get credit for Dio and Ozzy, we do! It wasn't the lyrics, it was the style of guitar...Randy, Jake, and Viv were clearly on our side

Was just thinking from the bands you listed, we talk about Sabbath founding Metal, but gotta give props to Priest to taking it to the next level. Those 70's albums from Sad Wings to British Steel in '80 were just an incredible period, I regret coming to that period of Priest so late in life.