Which amp out of these....

[duodecim]

[...] I'd still try the SLO and Avenger side by side - and would be curious how you'd feel about them

So would I.

 

[AmpliFIRE]

I'm not a huge fan of the Diezel tone myself, but that doesn't mean that they're not killer amps.

Out of the ones you listed, I would go with the Elmwood

 

[AmpliFIRE]

Someone mentioned the RK100 Cornford, that amp is a beast!

Yeah...Patrick's Cornford sounded killer, but it honestly reminded me of a JCM800 2203...big time. I know they're made like tanks, but I couldn't justify getting one based on what I heard.

 

[Greazygeo]

Nah.. You can get a VH "type" tone out of it I would say. But not really that type of tone in general. I really think the Elmwoods have a voice/vibe of their own. I mentioned the mids before on the M90 having a really good swing to them. The mids really voice what you're going after in that amp IMO. I found the mid control to be "not just a mid control" if you know what I mean. Pretty cool...

I was hoping it didnt' just do that tone. I was trying to find the clips on teh Elmwood site from Angus but they seem to be gone. I thought those sounded pretty good.

The loop is no where near a big deal as some people make it out to be. Some older low level analog pedals might, and I say might have an issue and try to distort. But it's easily fixed with a simple volume pedal or some type of simple (and cheap) volume box or mini mixer to control the send volume.

The K-Tre' is a new animal from Rivera. If you haven't read my review, take few minutes to do so. Very simple layout, simple eq, and the Foundation control which acts like a sub level will kick you in the chest, especially when detuned. The controls are stripped down for a Rivera, no need to be a rocket scientist with this amp. I was skeptical about it at first too. Thinking the same way, "it's just Rivera's take on a Boogie", but it's much more and kills the Recto for an all out in your face amp. Very tight amp. Just do yourself a favor and go play one. Not for just a few minutes, but really spend some time with it. You might be suprised. ;-) If you find it's just not for you, there's always a SLO waiting for you.

I'll have to check it out. The latest Rivera I heard was the Quiana. Cleans were nice, dirty sounded like a hot rodded Fender...not for me. [/quote]

Vice versa, George. Out of the three the VH4 has the most compression, Einstein is more open while Herbert is in the middle - it depends a bit on your volume of course and your gain settings - Herbert has the biggest headroom for obvious reasons, but most clips are made at low volumes, so one could be under the impression that Herbie has more than the others.

What I meant was that the typical Diezel is VH4/ch3, which is a compressed sound. If you need a "tool" which can do lots of stuff, incl. the "evil" side of things it is true that Herbie might be a better choice.

Okay cool. Whichever has a nice quick attack, solid bottom with good punch would probably be the one for me to go with. The lower few notes of the 7 string sure play havoc with the clarity of what I have.....

The loop of the SLO is "shitty" (sorry for the wording) because its level isn't uptodate anymore. This can be easily fixed (one resistor, one cap) - my point is that the circuitry of Mike Soldano, which IS awesome, sounds IMO much better without the loop - as in the Avenger. Thats a super open, high gain sound.

edit: also the position of the loop within the circuitry is sub-optimal when the amp is used as a twin channel amp, because the levels of the two channels are different and there's no way to adjust this difference when using - lets say a good pedal in the loop - and both channels. Huge volume difference for the unit which makes it hard to dial everything in correctly.

edit 2: this all might not affect you using it for recording as you've said. I'd still try the SLO and Avenger side by side - and would be curious how you'd feel about them

i remember reading about that in one of your posts. For recording the loop isn't a big deal at all. SO far I've only played a HR50 and HR100 which were nice and the Lucky 13 which was terrible....

For cleans, It has more headroom than the SLO. On crunch and OD , it is definitely at least on par with the SLO

Cool.

I've heard that the VH4 picks up where the VHT UL leads off. It's supposed to have more bloom to the notes vs. the rigid decay of the UL. I know you weren't too impressed with the XTC (my favorite amp), but I know a lot of guys that like KT88's/6550's in there and they say it tightens it up and makes it less compressed. There are some clips on netmusicians.org of the 6550's. Did yours have the updated post 2004 red channel mod on it? Oh and to throw another amp out there: How about a H&K Triamp MKII?

Mine was a pre '04. I have heard they are different now. The Bogner stuff has a "grainy" hair around the notes I can't stand. For me all that sag / compression make it hard to play on.

I could get a hold of the H+K stuff.

So would I.

There was a Soldano dealer not that far away from me. I wonder if they still are....

 

[Greazygeo]

I'm not a huge fan of the Diezel tone myself, but that doesn't mean that they're not killer amps.

Out of the ones you listed, I would go with the Elmwood

THe only thing that worries me with the Elmwood is that with 2 KT88's there won't be enough clarity on the low notes of the 7 string. I like the Sig X which also uses 2 KT88's but not enough headroom for the low notes.

 

[AmpliFIRE]

I'm not a huge fan of the Diezel tone myself, but that doesn't mean that they're not killer amps.

Out of the ones you listed, I would go with the Elmwood

THe only thing that worries me with the Elmwood is that with 2 KT88's there won't be enough clarity on the low notes of the 7 string. I like the Sig X which also uses 2 KT88's but not enough headroom for the low notes.

Hmm...I always thought that KT88's were known for tightness and clarity? Anyway, about the Bogner stuff. I never heard Bogner that I loved until I got my Cameron moded 101B. This it the ultimate 3 channel amp, and has cured my amp GAS for a long time. He opened up the red channel and it is just amazing. It's not compressed or muffeled at all and it just screams for leads. The rhythm tone is very tight as well. It's the most musical high gain channel I've ever heard. I'm a boosting freak...using my SD1 as a clean boost with every amp I've owned in the past (Mesa MK's, Powerball, Blackmore, Splawn QR to name a few) and I can honestly say that I'll never use a boost with the red channel of this amp.

 

[thegame]

I had another thought George, what cab are you planning on using for the 7 string stuff ? Last I remember you had pretty much all GBs in all (4 ?) of your cabs ? Not a good choice for a 7 string !

Instead of a new amp, how about a new cab ? You could find a used Marshall Mode 4 cab with the 100w Celestions. Very modern, tight punchy cab designed for low tuning. I would go so far as to say one of your current amps would be better for 7 string work through this cab than one of these modern voiced amps would be thru a GB cab.

Think about it

 

[Greazygeo]

Hmm...I always thought that KT88's were known for tightness and clarity? Anyway, about the Bogner stuff. I never heard Bogner that I loved until I got my Cameron moded 101B. This it the ultimate 3 channel amp, and has cured my amp GAS for a long time. He opened up the red channel and it is just amazing. It's not compressed or muffeled at all and it just screams for leads. The rhythm tone is very tight as well. It's the most musical high gain channel I've ever heard. I'm a boosting freak...using my SD1 as a clean boost with every amp I've owned in the past (Mesa MK's, Powerball, Blackmore, Splawn QR to name a few) and I can honestly say that I'll never use a boost with the red channel of this amp.

They are known for that, but with only two KT88's might not be enough. That is my concern. With the Sig X normal tuning is great, but the lower range of the 7 string doesnt do it....

With Bogners the feel is terrible for me. Playing on one is like trying to run underwater.

 

[Death by Uberschall]

I had another thought George, what cab are you planning on using for the 7 string stuff ? Last I remember you had pretty much all GBs in all (4 ?) of your cabs ? Not a good choice for a 7 string !

Instead of a new amp, how about a new cab ? You could find a used Marshall Mode 4 cab with the 100w Celestions. Very modern, tight punchy cab designed for low tuning. I would go so far as to say one of your current amps would be better for 7 string work through this cab than one of these modern voiced amps would be thru a GB cab.

Think about it

That is a great point. Greenbacks will not cut it for a tight detuned/7-string sound.

 

[Greazygeo]

I had another thought George, what cab are you planning on using for the 7 string stuff ? Last I remember you had pretty much all GBs in all (4 ?) of your cabs ? Not a good choice for a 7 string !

Instead of a new amp, how about a new cab ? You could find a used Marshall Mode 4 cab with the 100w Celestions. Very modern, tight punchy cab designed for low tuning. I would go so far as to say one of your current amps would be better for 7 string work through this cab than one of these modern voiced amps would be thru a GB cab.

Think about it

Yeah I am planning on adding a cab / new speakers. I'm going to move the Modern at some point anyway. Its redundant at this point with my Plexi's. All my amps except for the OR120 are Marshall flavored. Then I have some nice old Fenders to cover that camp. I know I'll need something different at some point.

Two of my cabs have the T1511 20 watt GB's from the late 60's. They have the bass cones in them and are much tighter than reg T1221 GB's. I have the Wizard 2-12 semi open back that's going to get a pair of Celestion Golds which will be cool for a different vintage vibe. Then we'll see from there.....

 

[Greazygeo]

I had another thought George, what cab are you planning on using for the 7 string stuff ? Last I remember you had pretty much all GBs in all (4 ?) of your cabs ? Not a good choice for a 7 string !

Instead of a new amp, how about a new cab ? You could find a used Marshall Mode 4 cab with the 100w Celestions. Very modern, tight punchy cab designed for low tuning. I would go so far as to say one of your current amps would be better for 7 string work through this cab than one of these modern voiced amps would be thru a GB cab.

Think about it

That is a great point. Greenbacks will not cut it for a tight detuned/7-string sound.

Yep they are pretty floppy.

 

[Death by Uberschall]

Anybody seen or heard the Celestion Seven speakers. There is a video at Rivera's website with Mick from Slipnot. They are primarily talking about the KR Seven head that Rivera designed with him in mind. But they show a new Celestion speaker in the cabs, labeled Celestion Seven.

 

[Greazygeo]

Anybody seen or heard the Celestion Seven speakers. There is a video at Rivera's website with Mick from Slipnot. They are primarily talking about the KR Seven head that Rivera designed with him in mind. But they show a new Celestion speaker in the cabs, labeled Celestion Seven.

I have not heard of that. Probably proprietary to Rivera.

 

[se7en]

I'm not a huge fan of the Diezel tone myself, but that doesn't mean that they're not killer amps.

Out of the ones you listed, I would go with the Elmwood

THe only thing that worries me with the Elmwood is that with 2 KT88's there won't be enough clarity on the low notes of the 7 string. I like the Sig X which also uses 2 KT88's but not enough headroom for the low notes.

Hmm...I always thought that KT88's were known for tightness and clarity? Anyway, about the Bogner stuff. I never heard Bogner that I loved until I got my Cameron moded 101B. This it the ultimate 3 channel amp, and has cured my amp GAS for a long time. He opened up the red channel and it is just amazing. It's not compressed or muffeled at all and it just screams for leads. The rhythm tone is very tight as well. It's the most musical high gain channel I've ever heard. I'm a boosting freak...using my SD1 as a clean boost with every amp I've owned in the past (Mesa MK's, Powerball, Blackmore, Splawn QR to name a few) and I can honestly say that I'll never use a boost with the red channel of this amp.

Do you know what Mark did to mod your red channel? I absolutely love my 101b, but the red channel could use some more definition for rhythm playing / be opened up a bit. The blue is just perfect as is, so I imagine he didn't mod that, right?

 

[J.B.]

I'm not a huge fan of the Diezel tone myself, but that doesn't mean that they're not killer amps.

Out of the ones you listed, I would go with the Elmwood

THe only thing that worries me with the Elmwood is that with 2 KT88's there won't be enough clarity on the low notes of the 7 string. I like the Sig X which also uses 2 KT88's but not enough headroom for the low notes.

Hmm...I always thought that KT88's were known for tightness and clarity? Anyway, about the Bogner stuff. I never heard Bogner that I loved until I got my Cameron moded 101B. This it the ultimate 3 channel amp, and has cured my amp GAS for a long time. He opened up the red channel and it is just amazing. It's not compressed or muffeled at all and it just screams for leads. The rhythm tone is very tight as well. It's the most musical high gain channel I've ever heard. I'm a boosting freak...using my SD1 as a clean boost with every amp I've owned in the past (Mesa MK's, Powerball, Blackmore, Splawn QR to name a few) and I can honestly say that I'll never use a boost with the red channel of this amp.

Paige, I took my XTC to my tech buddies house yesterday and tryed a few mods per Mark C. I only kept one mod in, and that was the gain mod on R12. Talk about a huge difference!! It took away that congestion, cleared it up, tightened it up, and sounds more natural now and more open. It took away some gain from the post '04 gain mod, and now all the gain is usable. I can't believe Bogner doesn't put out the XTC's with this gain mod. It takes away the main thing that people don't like about the XTC (for those who don't like it). They'd sell a hell of a lot more of them if they used that mod instead of the one they're using right now IMO of course.

 

[se7en]

Paige, I took my XTC to my tech buddies house yesterday and tryed a few mods per Mark C. I only kept one mod in, and that was the gain mod on R12. Talk about a huge difference!! It took away that congestion, cleared it up, tightened it up, and sounds more natural now and more open. It took away some gain from the post '04 gain mod, and now all the gain is usable. I can't believe Bogner doesn't put out the XTC's with this gain mod. It takes away the main thing that people don't like about the XTC (for those who don't like it). They'd sell a hell of a lot more of them if they used that mod instead of the one they're using right now IMO of course.

I was planning on doing this mod soon. You're referring to the one on the bognerampforum site, right? I think the blue channel is perfect, but the red is too compressed/muddy on rhythm work. Do you use the red for rhythm playing a lot more now?

 

[J.B.]

Paige, I took my XTC to my tech buddies house yesterday and tryed a few mods per Mark C. I only kept one mod in, and that was the gain mod on R12. Talk about a huge difference!! It took away that congestion, cleared it up, tightened it up, and sounds more natural now and more open. It took away some gain from the post '04 gain mod, and now all the gain is usable. I can't believe Bogner doesn't put out the XTC's with this gain mod. It takes away the main thing that people don't like about the XTC (for those who don't like it). They'd sell a hell of a lot more of them if they used that mod instead of the one they're using right now IMO of course.

I was planning on doing this mod soon. You're referring to the one on the bognerampforum site, right? I think the blue channel is perfect, but the red is too compressed/muddy on rhythm work. Do you use the red for rhythm playing a lot more now?

Yes and yes. It's such an improvement... And I loved the amp before.

 

[stratotone]

Rackmount Dual Rectifier. Listen to King's X Dogman album, imho some really awesome drop tuned guitar tones. Case closed.

Pete

 

[se7en]

Rackmount Dual Rectifier. Listen to King's X Dogman album, imho some really awesome drop tuned guitar tones. Case closed.

Pete

Good album...I don't think a Rectifier would work for him though, since he doesn't like a spongy feel.

 

[se7en]

Yes and yes. It's such an improvement... And I loved the amp before.

Killer...it sounds like it'll be like playing a new amp ....