Which amp out of these....

[Greazygeo]

I've had the M90, M60, and the Herbert. The Elmwood difinitely has a unique voicing. I personally dug the 60 more that the 90, the 60 just had a better mid thing happening. For what you're describing, the Herbert would be my first choice. Killer tight low end, and way more versatile than you would think.

A friend of mine had one (Herbert)and he said it was very compressed. Some clips I've heard sound like that too.

I think it was an Angus somebody on the Elmwood site that had some good clips on the M90. From what I've heard of the M60, it seems alot like my Wizard tonewise. I really like KT88/ 6550 power tubes for high gain. Another reason why i was looking at the M90 vs M60.

 

[stephen sawall]

If you like KT88 and 6550 ..... do you like KT66 ? ~ more big glass.
They have a lot of the same property's and a different tone.
That is my favorite tube.

 

[Greazygeo]

If you like KT88 and 6550 ..... do you like KT66 ? ~ more big glass.
They have a lot of the same property's and a different tone.
That is my favorite tube.

not alot of experience with that tube. I've only played the Vintage Modern with them. I like that amp, has a very "round" kind of low end. Not sure whether that is due to the tubes or just overall design. I've seen where guys put them in SLO's and like them.

 

[Erock]

I really like KT88/ 6550 power tubes for high gain. Another reason why i was looking at the M90 vs M60.

another advantage with the Herbert, although it comes stock with EL34, you can load it with any tube combination you want in the 3 pairs, 3 separate bias pots. I have EL34 in the 4 inner sockets, and KT88 in the 2 outer.

 

[yngzaklynch]

I don't know which would suit you better. I say try an XTC

i had one of those and didnt care for it. The red channel was useless, very noisy, mushy and undefined at standard tunings. The Blue channel was pretty good, but not quite there. The overall feel was way to saggy for what I look for....

Then I say go for the SLO

 

[stephen sawall]

Part of that must be coming from the tube.
That is part of the sound.

I believe you handle THD.
Try all three in a Flexi someday if you can.

I put them in my Mark IV for a bit.
It was very cool for leads and cleans but not tight chunk as 6L6's in my ears.

I am going with SLO / Herbert = apples and oranges today.

 

[jcj]

I've had the M90, M60, and the Herbert. The Elmwood difinitely has a unique voicing. I personally dug the 60 more that the 90, the 60 just had a better mid thing happening. For what you're describing, the Herbert would be my first choice. Killer tight low end, and way more versatile than you would think.

A friend of mine had one (Herbert)and he said it was very compressed. Some clips I've heard sound like that too.

I think it was an Angus somebody on the Elmwood site that had some good clips on the M90. From what I've heard of the M60, it seems alot like my Wizard tonewise. I really like KT88/ 6550 power tubes for high gain. Another reason why i was looking at the M90 vs M60.

Definitely not like the Wizard Metal. I had Cyndicate's Metal for a few weeks, right next to the M60. Not even close to my ear.

Channel 2+ on the Herbert is great. I never had much use for channel 3. The clean is also fantastic.

Truth is, almost EVERYTHING is compressed compared to the Wizard. I was shocked at how small it made my other amps sound

 

[rsm]

What did you decide on?

 

[Copperhead]

Revolution Plus

I didnt mind the first version Revolution. one of my reps handles Krank. He's gonna get one to me to try out at some point.

Cool! The new transformers sound great. I put a Plus output transformer in my Series 1 and it really fattened everything up. You can get really nice lower gain crunch tones and really creamy cleans out of them, but due to the metal reputation you hardly hear any clips like that.

 

[chunktone]

Looking for something more Modern.....

With that in mind, I would say go with the Herbert. I'm in the process of moving some stuff to pick one up myself. For a modern high gain tone nothing touches it imho.

 

[stephen sawall]

How can you tell what transformer is in it.
I would like hear this.

 

[Copperhead]

How can you tell what transformer is in it.
I would like hear this.

Geeez, I don't know the "why" I just know that you can indeed hear a big difference, especially if you are trying to get a saturated yet not buzzy or "metal" kind of gain tone going.

Here was my initial reaction after the mod:

"A couple weeks ago, I had a Plus model output transformer put in my Revolution Series One...
It completely changed the sound and punch of my amp.... and it's really freakin loud now, even more so than before.

With the old transformer, I was running all my EQ's WFO, to try and saturate and warm up the tone a little.
The biggest improvement is that it seems the range of the EQ pots now goes to 20 instead of 10!!!
I can actually set EQ's now, more or less like a "normal" amp, e.g. I can scoop the mids a little without losing punch or cut.

What is NOT like a normal amp, having an EQ dialed up too far does not make that range get muddy or distorted, it stays clear and "unflubbed" but will start entering a realm of harmonic feedback, like an open mic on a loud stage.

Another real cool benefit is that on the KRANK channel, I can turn down the vol on the guitar and get a neat early VH-like brown sound, and it will still chug on the bass notes, palm muting without losing its' edge and flubbing out!!
What this means to me is that a single coil, PAF, or vintage 'bucker will now probably work fine with this amp! With the old transformer, high output humbuckers were an absolute must!!
Vintage Strats and Teles will probably sound great without a pre boost.

So with the old transformer, I was addressing the issues by boosting the signal, but the cure turned out to be on the "out" side.....who woulda thunk it?

Much Thanks KRANKTECH, Job Well Done!!!

Anyone owning a Rev Series One, post Sovtech trannies, I would contact Kranktech about having this mod done!!!!"

 

[Greazygeo]

Part of that must be coming from the tube.
That is part of the sound.

I believe you handle THD.
Try all three in a Flexi someday if you can.

I put them in my Mark IV for a bit.
It was very cool for leads and cleans but not tight chunk as 6L6's in my ears.

I am going with SLO / Herbert = apples and oranges today.

Cool. That's what I thought it was coming from, the circuit isnt that different from a plexi.

Definitely not like the Wizard Metal. I had Cyndicate's Metal for a few weeks, right next to the M60. Not even close to my ear.

Channel 2+ on the Herbert is great. I never had much use for channel 3. The clean is also fantastic.

Truth is, almost EVERYTHING is compressed compared to the Wizard. I was shocked at how small it made my other amps sound

No, it's more like the Modern Classic than the Metal...from what I can tell from the clips and vids I saw last nite. I'm thinking of moving my Modern Classic. I get the same tone from my old Plexi, so I'm thinking something different will come in handy for recording.

What did you decide on?

Nothing so far....leaning towards the Herbert at the moment.

Cool! The new transformers sound great. I put a Plus output transformer in my Series 1 and it really fattened everything up. You can get really nice lower gain crunch tones and really creamy cleans out of them, but due to the metal reputation you hardly hear any clips like that.

Did you go to 6550 or KT88's too? i was checking out the clips on their site last nite.

With that in mind, I would say go with the Herbert. I'm in the process of moving some stuff to pick one up myself. For a modern high gain tone nothing touches it imho.

Cool thanks for the info.

 

[Copperhead]

Did you go to 6550 or KT88's too? i was checking out the clips on their site last nite.

I stayed with the 5881's for two reasons; it's loud enough that I always use a Hotplate anyway, and the Rev1 chassis locates the transformer so close to one of the tube sockets that it cannot physically accommodate the larger bottle tubes, so my choice of tubes that would fit would be limited anyway. No matter, I'm really happy with the results.

 

[Greazygeo]

I stayed with the 5881's for two reasons; it's loud enough that I always use a Hotplate anyway, and the Rev1 chassis locates the transformer so close to one of the tube sockets that it cannot physically accommodate the larger bottle tubes, so my choice of tubes that would fit would be limited anyway. No matter, I'm really happy with the results.

I see. My old Orange head has it's tube sockets really close together and can only run EL34's. 5881's have a nice grind to them in certain amps.

 

[dawnofdreamx97]

dug the m90 @ namm... Wasn't as compressed as the vh4 and herbert.... Pretty unique low mid tone...

 

[Greazygeo]

dug the m90 @ namm... Wasn't as compressed as the vh4 and herbert.... Pretty unique low mid tone...

The M90 is not low mid like a Bogner is it?

 

[70strathead]

would I like? Thinking about moving one of my amps for one of these.

Elmwood M90

Soldano SLO

Diezel VH4

Diezel Herbert

others?

I've got the Marshall thing pretty much nailed down with my two plexis, 1959RR and Metalface. The modded Marshall is covered with the Metal. The Fender thing is covered with a BF DR, Vibro Champ and BF Champs. Looking for something more Modern.....

dude didn't you used to have a Sig X? is that a modern style amp or just another marshall knock off? Those amps have seem to dissapeared from the threads when i remember were gaining lots of attention..including mine

 

[Capulin Overdrive]

i likes this guys clips, he does pretty good at showcasing the amp.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yn8Aen7aJSk

 

[dawnofdreamx97]

dug the m90 @ namm... Wasn't as compressed as the vh4 and herbert.... Pretty unique low mid tone...

The M90 is not low mid like a Bogner is it?

I'd say it's not as dark as the bogner. Just more unique, It'd be the type of amp i'd use for color in a recording , or together blended with a second amp. It was hard to tell where exactly it was voiced frequency wise, because of all the noise @ namm.. but i thought the elmwood stuff was really cool and unique. Nice guys to!