Who has " sold it all" and gone AXE FX??????

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Lately, I have been obsessed with the idea of the Axe FX. I have GAS'd on an off for over a year for an axe fx, much harder than for anything else I've ever owned for some reason. I will try and explain my situation as best I can, it probably isn't much different than alot of people actually.

I have a band, we play shows probably 3 or 4 times a month, sometimes more, practice twice a week. We play at my singers studio, which doesn't have enough room for my monstrosity of a rig, thats for sure. I have a 2 head rack case, with a 6 space rack on top, and 2 4x12 cabinets. My rig ONLY seems to be played at shows. It sits at my house, as it is not feasible to move it all over the place. I can not take it to practice, then take it home, then take to record, then take it to a show etc: It just isn't going to happen, no matter how great it sounds. We play some decent venues, and some much larger national shows every year as well. We have a trailer, but as of right now, there is not enough room for my rig in there with everything else, so it is up to me to move it in my truck, which means when we play out of town, I do not take it, as I am not comfortable doing that. This means that I have to rip one of my heads out of the rack (pain in the ass), and bring a boost pedal, a 4x12 etc: So basically, I have this awesome rig, but no way to really use it.

I find that since I have this rig, I do not play guitar at home very much at all. I feel that if I went axe fx, hooked up to my computer or whatever, I would have much "artistic creativity juice flowing" for lack of a better term. Sure, I could get a simple practice amp at home, but again, I have a girlfriend I live with in law school who studies all the time, a roommate etc...There is just always something in the way...you know, LIFE!


Also, my other guitar player is not the most rig savy person, so of course, having an axe fx would allow me and him to both play through it...Of course, this is NOT my responsibility at all to let him do this ( he has a carvin V3 head, sounds like garbage), but if it makes the band sound better i am all for it. At band practice/studio time, we like to record our stuff, send each other riff ideas to work on etc: The axe fx would make this so much easier as well.

When playing live, out of town, I could show up with a 20 lb rig, plug it in, via FOH or with a 5 lb matrix poweramp, with a 4x12, and be ready to go, this in itself is a selling point to me.


I could go on and on, we all know why the axe fx is great for what it does: All the firmware updates, the new technology (tone matching), the forum, downloading patches etc: It is beginning to be too much for me NOT to say "okay, this is stupid, WHY do I not have one of these??" To be fair, I do not think I would part with my VHT UL head, as it is the THE sound in my head and sounds great. An idea that crossed my mind was going axe fx II with the UL in 4CM, however, I have no way of knowing if this will work out or not, as I do not know anyone with an axe II, and of course, all of the horror stories about using the axe with 4CM with some amps. I also feel that the VHT UL is one amp the axe fx could not replicate very well, while my 5150 is something it can very easily, or so it seems. Anyways, sorry for the lengthy post, I just wanted some opinions, and some people to share their stories about why they did, or DIDN'T go axe fx in the long run.


PS: FS Thread coming shortly :D :D :D
 
yeah man..i go back and forth too....my main hangup is that i'll want the footboard that goes with it for maximum capability and it's another xxxx dollars...i do have a fcb1010 so i wouldn't be completely ass out regarding the capabilities id need, and i may just go that route and get an axe 2.
the tone matching is what really sold me on mine....pushed nicely through a 50wx2 tube power amp would be all id ever need.

it's a struggle...how to justify 2kmore worth of shit to my wife is the other struggle tee hee....
 
reza you make some good points thats for sure...The trailer issue, yes I agree, that is BS, however putting my 4x12s in there isnt much of an issue, putting a huge ass rack case, and 2 4x12s is though. That is another issue in itself, I was simply just trying to paint a picture of where I am coming from in my thought process you know? This is why I think I would like the idea of going 4 CM with my VHT UL, however, again, I have no way of really knowing if that will work well or not...
 
I've sold it all and went Eleven Rack. The Axe is out of my price range right now
 
I went all Axe FX once and if all I could do is play at low volume and/or also gigged where I played through nothing but monitors I still would be that way. As long as I can crank a good tube amp even just part of the time I'll have both a tube amp and a modeler. Fact of the matter is for me as much as I like the Axe it doesn't get me what I have when I'm playing through my Friedman. Ironically it was the Axe's Friedman that made me want to try a real Friedman but IMHO the real Friedman sounds better.
 
I agree with Rezamix, I haven't gigged with my Axe-fx but at practice I tried just the Axe in my poweramp, it sounded ok but I just preferred my tube preamp especially for lead (just used the axe for effects). Not sure if this helps but I have been messing around with the axe in 4cm with my VHT 50CL and I have no issues once I got all the levels right.
 
Orion this definitely DOES help, as I have not read anything on true Internet about using a VHT head with axe fx in 4 cm, so thank you good to know... I figured ur experience Would probably be the case, as the VHT is obviously built from high quality parts
 
I'm in the same boat. 2 full 4x4 stacks, ccv, chupacabrra, bray 1987x, johnson jm250, guitar rig and closing in on my 51st birthday later this month....Too much shit to keep up with and lug around! I'm counting my posts to see if I have enough to put stuff in the classifieds! That axefx2/matrix rig that Mark demoed on youtube is looking pretty good about now.
 
I've definitely sold it all... and I'll keep my reply very simple by saying... no... it is absolutely not the same as a tube amp... how could it be? But having all my effects... all my "amps"... every stompbox, the most incredible clean sounds... and the ability to simultaneously run to FOH and run my cab or a monitor at any given moment, in a 30lb 4 space rack makes up for any shortcomings....

I had a huge rig built around a VH-4... and yea it was fucking AMAZING... huge road case with rack gear up top... but it just wasn't practical... my band is in the weird stage where we are gaining quite a bit of popularity... playing national tours... but we still aren't cool enough to have roadies and techs... so until then... this rig is everything I've ever needed, and it doesn't kill me or my other bandmates every night to move it around... and since some shows we play are still shows where I need to blast a 4x12 unmic'd... well... this thing can do that too with ease... and mind you... I only use ONE side of the Matrix poweramp... it's fucking LOUD.

...and to be very honest... I wish I would have gone this route a long time ago...

...last note.... I'm a weirdo and hate the Axe-II for live use... I just can't get the sounds out of it I like, there's TOO much to tweak... it's not the unit's fault, I completely admit its mine... but my favorite tone was always just an Axe Ultra and poweramp cab when I was doing the digital thing, so I picked up a used standard and have never been happier... but in no way am I saying the Axe-II isn't an incredible piece of kit... it's just too much for me...

Here she is... in all her glory...

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I also don't think the Axe is as satisfying as a real amp. (Mines an ultra.) The heaviest tone I've ever heard was an Axe(Meshuggah), but I still prefer my amps. However, for low to medium volume playing, the Axe is awesome. It would be definitely be a LOT easier to transport if you can get it dialed in how you like at high volumes. I haven't gotten there yet myself.

Have you considered just building a single amp rig? I know the stereo rigs are sweet but if you've got 2 guitarists it's not necessary. Or is it? :lol: :LOL:
 
I sold it all and went Axe FX II, and now I'm about to go back.
 
Mizati20":2c1eol5i said:
I've definitely sold it all... and I'll keep my reply very simple by saying... no... it is absolutely not the same as a tube amp... how could it be? But having all my effects... all my "amps"... every stompbox, the most incredible clean sounds... and the ability to simultaneously run to FOH and run my cab or a monitor at any given moment, in a 30lb 4 space rack makes up for any shortcomings....

I had a huge rig built around a VH-4... and yea it was fucking AMAZING... huge road case with rack gear up top... but it just wasn't practical... my band is in the weird stage where we are gaining quite a bit of popularity... playing national tours... but we still aren't cool enough to have roadies and techs... so until then... this rig is everything I've ever needed, and it doesn't kill me or my other bandmates every night to move it around... and since some shows we play are still shows where I need to blast a 4x12 unmic'd... well... this thing can do that too with ease... and mind you... I only use ONE side of the Matrix poweramp... it's fucking LOUD.

...and to be very honest... I wish I would have gone this route a long time ago...

...last note.... I'm a weirdo and hate the Axe-II for live use... I just can't get the sounds out of it I like, there's TOO much to tweak... it's not the unit's fault, I completely admit its mine... but my favorite tone was always just an Axe Ultra and poweramp cab when I was doing the digital thing, so I picked up a used standard and have never been happier... but in no way am I saying the Axe-II isn't an incredible piece of kit... it's just too much for me...

Here she is... in all her glory...

DSC_0005.jpg



Even though the axe II is supposedly easier to tweak and not needed nearly as much, this is honestly what scares me the most....But supposively, again, it is not totally needed really....I dunno, I am in for a HUGE learning curve, which is probably quite steep, that is probably for sure....
 
The Axe II is easy to tweak at home, BUT... all those presets you dial are going to sound horrible when amplified through loudspeakers. You have to create your patches at the volume you perform at for them to sound right. Then, when using a poweramp and cabinet, I personally couldn't dial anything that competed with my bandmates 5150 based rig.
 
i've been wondering this, and i'm glad you started the thread. I think i have my answer. i'll continue dealing with lugging shit around, I think.
 
I had a Splawn modded Marshall, a Mesa Mark III, a Fender Vibroclone and a Randall RGP 1000 preamp 2 4X12's 2 1X12's Lexicon FX Rocktron EQ's Furman EQ's Pedal drawer...etc etc. etc.... 24 rack space (full of stuff)Sound Scupture Switchblade GL, Footcontrollers yadda yadda yadda.

I had a few tones from that rig that I wouldn't trade for anything, but honestly I have much more fun with my Axe II and actually put a lot more hours on my guitar because of it.

Do I think it equals GREAT tone from a GREAT tube amp....NO, have I equaled the best tones I have coaxed from my tube rig, NO, but still I find some great, inspiring and fun tones nearly every day. Plus, there is so much you can get out of it.

If you are a 1 or 2 tone person I would play tube amps...but any more than that and if you are a person who doesn't mind tweaking a bit, I would say you owe it to yourself to at least give it a honest try. You can't let anyone tell you what you will like, only you can find that out.
 
Since the VHT is your sound, why not try to build a useable live rig based around that and a 412? Cut the fluff and just go with that amp and the effects that you actually need. Cut the fat and keep all the tone. That is what I did with my Fortin amps. I only use one head live and either one or two 412s depending on where we are playing or what slot we have. Have a small pedal board, tiny compared to most of the ones around here, and it absolutely kills live. When I got down to it, it was really easy and I could not be happier now.
 
killertone":2sazc501 said:
Since the VHT is your sound, why not try to build a useable live rig based around that and a 412? Cut the fluff and just go with that amp and the effects that you actually need. Cut the fat and keep all the tone. That is what I did with my Fortin amps. I only use one head live and either one or two 412s depending on where we are playing or what slot we have. Have a small pedal board, tiny compared to most of the ones around here, and it absolutely kills live. When I got down to it, it was really easy and I could not be happier now.


totally agree with this.
 
i did many modelers over the years, and i always return to a tube amp....just the feel and tone can't be matched, but you can still find some modelling tones that inspire you.

i find that i can get by with something as simple as a digitech rp1000 using 4CM with a head of my choice.
 
To the OP, go to the Fractal site and you'll find a mass of happy purist convertees. Here? We're gear heads. I'd never be able to give up a real Diezel, a real Bogner, my Mak4, whatever - it is what it is. The Axe is an incredible piece of kit, but I still can't say it breathes and offers what my amps do. Maybe it requires more tweaking, I am sure it does if indeed this can satisfy the wants of Dweezil, Heavy Devy, Belew, etc... But for me, I love my tubes and heads and cabs.

Call me oldschool.

Peace,
Mojo
 
it boils down to point of reference
if you start from the line 6 generation, axe-fx is a dream come true.

if you started on modern tube amps from major manufacturers and primarily like heavy tones, you might still dig axe fully.

if you started 30-40 years ago + on tube amps and have actually spent time with the vintage classics and ultra boutiques, axe may not float your boat.

for example, you can convince yourself a leslie sim pedal is just as good as the real thing, until you sit in front of a real leslie. but if you don't know what a real leslie sounds like and plays like, the pedals will do the job.

i spent the day with a hammond xk-c3. great b3 controller with very convincing sounds,
but without the real leslie 2 rotating speaker box it aint the goods.

that said i gotta get me one of these:
 
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