Who's got a PRS Archon 4x12? Looking for info on construction/quality

[The~Kid]

Again bullshit.

I showed you facts with a link from friggin' woodworkers to back it up.
You show me a mere opinion, based on fuckin' low gain 1x10 and 1x12 combo's with a serious manufacturers' upmark.... And somehow that's a fact?! And...remind me, what was this topic about again? 1x12 combo's or...? That's right, smarty pants.
And remind me, where can I buy cheaper baltic birch than pine?
Just because one end product is more expensive than another, doesn't mean the raw materials are. And this is something you've demonstrated not to understand before...
Remember our little one-two, about gas prices at the pump and you were quoting me crude oil bullshit? Yeah, this is the same thing, just the other way around.

But go ahead, do your tough guy lil' mirroring thing, 'outsmarting the experts' and whatnot. I've said my piece, most forumites know what to make of your posts.

And you've demonstrated youre an asshat for cherry picking BS to support your biased opinion vs following common sense.


Even Peaveys Pine cabs cost more than their Birch cab counterparts. You've said your piece..... Of shit opinion..... IMO. But hey nvm common sense right or the fact that the same Pine cabs cost more than their Birch counterparts.....


And that ain't me saying it for whatever reason or "experts"...... It's the market but again nvm that or common sense right

 

[PiggySmallz]

And you've demonstrated youre an asshat for cherry picking BS to support your biased opinion vs following common sense.


Even Peaveys Pine cabs cost more than their Birch cab counterparts. You've said your piece..... Of shit opinion..... IMO. But hey nvm common sense right or the fact that the same Pine cabs cost more than their Birch counterparts.....


And that ain't me saying it for whatever reason or "experts"...... It's the market but again nvm that or common sense right

The OP asked about an Archon 4x12 because he likes matching heads and cabs. He also asked about V type vs V30 speakers. You told him 5 other brands to buy instead and now youre pissing on about pine vs birch.

Baltic birch is a premium material for cab construction. You should know, since you bought a Bad Cat 2x12....made out of Baltic birch. No ones arguing about fender 2x12 combos or vintage cabs here except for you lol.

This picture is a solid visual for this thread

 

[The~Kid]

The OP asked about an Archon 4x12 because he likes matching heads and cabs. He also asked about V type vs V30 speakers. You told him 5 other brands to buy instead and now youre pissing on about pine vs birch.

Baltic birch is a premium material for cab construction. You should know, since you bought a Bad Cat 2x12....made out of Baltic birch. No ones arguing about fender 2x12 combos or vintage cabs here except for you lol.

This picture is a solid visual for this thread

Again thank you for your cherry picking BS and "insight" but as said it ain't just Fender and Peaveys Pine cabs also cost more than their Birch counterparts.....

Not me saying so, it's the market. In either case it doesn't make one better than the other but as said its seen as a premium feature and there is an upcharge for it. The third poster here in the thread also suggested other options for the same common sense reasons I did in the second post of the thread.

But again nvm that or common sense right and I ain't the one pissing over pine vs birch it happens to be you and these other wise guys.... Stupid knit picking dumbass shit to argue about or get upset about but hey par for the course with these Desperate Metal House Wives like you

 

[napalmdeath]

Hey who gives a fuck.....

Pine is a wood used in premium Limited Edition Fender amp models only. Birch is only used on standard amp models and the amps using Birch cost less than their Pine counterparts......


End of story.

You couldn't be more wrong. Baltic birch is 2-3 times more expensive than pine. Fact.

 

[The~Kid]

You couldn't be more wrong. Baltic birch is 2-3 times more expensive than pine. Fact.

The same Pine cabs and amps cost more than their Birch counterparts and there is an upcharge for Pine cabs vs Birch in the end product.


Not me saying so.....or your BS opinion or anyone elses


It's the market saying so. Facts

 

[napalmdeath]

The same Pine cabs and amps cost more than their Birch counterparts and there is an upcharge for Pine cabs vs Birch in the end product.


Not me saying so.....or your BS opinion or anyone elses


It's the market saying so. Facts

The only fact is, you're a moron.

Baltic birch is significantly more expensive than pine. A sheet of Baltic birch plywood can cost up to three to four times more than a standard pine plywood sheet of the same thickness.Here is why the price difference is so large:

Why Baltic Birch Costs More
All-Hardwood Cores: It uses 100% void-free birch layers, whereas pine plywood uses softer wood with internal gaps.
Higher Ply Count: A 3/4-inch Baltic birch sheet has 13 layers; standard pine plywood usually has 5 to 7.

Import Expenses: True Baltic birch is imported from northern Europe, driving up shipping and supply chain costs.

Flawless Face: The face veneers are thicker and virtually patch-free compared to lower-grade utility pine.

If someone thinks they're getting higher quality buying pine, and pay more thinking it's "premium", they're just as stupid as you are. I don't care about marketing gimmicks. If Fender charges more for pine, and leave you to believe it's an "upcharge" or "premium", they're full of shit and just maximizing profit margins from the idiots that fall for it.

What's Friedman use? Baltic Birch.
Soldano? Baltic Birch.
Your beloved Bad Cat? Baltic Birch.
Mesa? Baltic Birch.

Show me a boutique builder using pine. You can't back up your diarrhea of complete drivel. I posted actual FACTS.

 

[The~Kid]

The only fact is, you're a moron.

Baltic birch is significantly more expensive than pine. A sheet of Baltic birch plywood can cost up to three to four times more than a standard pine plywood sheet of the same thickness.Here is why the price difference is so large:

Why Baltic Birch Costs More
All-Hardwood Cores: It uses 100% void-free birch layers, whereas pine plywood uses softer wood with internal gaps.
Higher Ply Count: A 3/4-inch Baltic birch sheet has 13 layers; standard pine plywood usually has 5 to 7.

Import Expenses: True Baltic birch is imported from northern Europe, driving up shipping and supply chain costs.

Flawless Face: The face veneers are thicker and virtually patch-free compared to lower-grade utility pine.

Yes yes.... This is true but again you're ignoring when it comes to cabs....


Pine cabs and the end product cost more than the same Birch counterpart and manufacturers like Fender and Peavey upcharge for Pine vs Birch as it's a lighter wood and in some cases preferred in tone vs Birch depending on player and rig.



Respectfully I'm not so sure whats so hard to understand about that and it's just common sense as reflected by prices in the market.

 

[The~Kid]

Anyways if your also looking at a deal for a Baltic Birch 412 cab look at a used Peavey 6505 412 Cab.


They can be had for a song and you can upgrade the speakers if wanted down the road.

 

[napalmdeath]

Yes yes.... This is true but again you're ignoring when it comes to cabs....


Pine cabs and the end product cost more than the same Birch counterpart and manufacturers like Fender and Peavey upcharge for Pine vs Birch as it's a lighter wood and in some cases preferred in tone vs Birch depending on player and rig.



Respectfully I'm not so sure whats so hard to understand about that and it's just common sense as reflected by prices in the market.

You are dumber than I thought. Im 100% referring to cabs, and heads, for that matter. Your thought process is the exact opposite of the true facts. Cabs using pine are 100% less expensive to produce from the simple economic fact that the cost of material is cheaper.

 

[The~Kid]

You are dumber than I thought. Im 100% referring to cabs, and heads, for that matter. Your thought process is the exact opposite of the true facts. Cabs using pine are 100% less expensive to produce from the simple economic fact that the cost of material is cheaper.

Yes again less expensive to produce....


Cost more in the end product. You really are in the bunker with this right..... This isn't all that hard to understand here genius.


Pine Cabs cost more as an end product than Birch Cabs. Facts.

 

[CarlF]

IMO, the only amps that are cool with Pine cabinets are Fender

 

[napalmdeath]

Yes again less expensive to produce....


Cost more in the end product. You really are in the bunker with this right..... This isn't all that hard to understand here genius.


Pine Cabs cost more as an end product than Birch Cabs. Facts.

Again, you're a moron. If pine is 1/3 the cost of baltic birch, what makes it more expensive as an end product? Enlighten us with your infinite wisdom. Show us examples.

 

[The~Kid]

Again, you're a moron. If pine is 1/3 the cost of baltic birch, what makes it more expensive as an end product? Enlighten us with your infinite wisdom. Show us examples.

Also it may not make sense to numb nuts like some of the Desperate House Wives of Metal.....



But the Pine used to make guitar cabs isn't your run of the mill Pine used in their Ikea furniture or cheap as shit they buy from Amazon or Temu.


It's a higher grade of Pine usually and typically that cost more and this is where the higher cost comes because not only is it lighter but it's a higher grade of wood and Pine meant for a more durable and quality end product.


But NVM that or common sense or what I have to say or what the market has to say...... Nvm that Fender and Peavey cabs using Pine cost more too than their Birch counterparts.....



We can all trust the BS Opinion and Bias of these PRS Fan Fuck-Boys and Desperate Metal House Wives like you vs manufacturers/builders, the market and facts

 

[napalmdeath]

Also it may not make sense to numb nuts like some of the Desperate House Wives of Metal.....



But the Pine used to make guitar cabs isn't your run of the mill Pine used in their Ikea furniture or cheap as shit they buy from Amazon or Temu.


It's a higher grade of Pine usually and typically that cost more and this is where the higher cost comes because not only is it lighter but it's a higher grade of wood and Pine meant for a more durable and quality end product.


But NVM that or common sense or what I have to say or what the market has to say...... Nvm that Fender and Peavey cabs using Pine cost more too than their Birch counterparts.....



We can all trust the BS Opinion and Bias of these PRS Fan Fuck-Boys and Desperate Metal House Wives like you vs manufacturers/builders, the market and facts

 

[The~Kid]

Its really not that hard to understand.....

Pine used to make guitar cabs are a higher grade of Pine than your standard stuff and cost more than your regular old Birch whatever.....


It doesn't mean Pine is better than Birch but those are just the facts.

But nvm facts or the actual cost of said product or the market and builders/manufacturers.

 

[napalmdeath]

Its really not that hard to understand.....

Pine used to make guitar cabs are a higher grade of Pine than your standard stuff and cost more than your regular old Birch whatever.....


It doesn't mean Pine is better than Birch but those are just the facts.

You sure use the word "facts" alot, but never seem to show anything tangible to back them up. I've noted several FACTS, as have others, yet The~Child never seems to produce anything to back up your ramblings.

You have an inherent misunderstanding of facts and opinions. And, you consistently contradict both.

The problem, I believe, can be found between your computer and your chair. I pray you look into it.

 

[The~Kid]

You sure use the word "facts" alot, but never seem to show anything tangible to back them up. I've noted several FACTS, as have others, yet The~Child never seems to produce anything to back up your ramblings.

You have an inherent misunderstanding of facts and opinions. And, you consistently contradict both.

The problem, I believe, can be found between your computer and your chair. I pray you look into it.

Youre opinions have shown themeselves for the BS they are......


You come here with bias, BS and ignorance and while there is some fact to what you say it's all complete 100% dog shit. Facts

 

[napalmdeath]

Youre opinions have shown themeselves for the BS they are......


You come here with bias, BS and ignorance and while there is some fact to what you say it's all complete 100% dog shit. Facts

All I've posted are facts on the price of baltic birch vs. premium pine. You refuse to accept that you're wrong, (even when others confirmed you were wrong), you just want to argue and be childish, and you're just plain stupid.

FACTS.

 

[The~Kid]

All I've posted are facts on the price of baltic birch vs. premium pine. You refuse to accept that you're wrong, (even when others confirmed you were wrong), you just want to argue and be childish, and you're just plain stupid.

FACTS.

All you have posted is BS and ignorant dribble.......genius.....


Facts.


We can see here and prices set by the market on cabs vs your ignorant BS or whatever nonsense you have said all throughout the thread


Nvm why manufacturers/builders like Fender and Peavey upcharge for premium Pine cabs vs their regular standard models.....


Again nothing wrong with Birch and I love my Birch 212 Cab but it's pretty ignorant to cast shade on Pine Cabs out some bias or BS or not sure what from some PRS Fan Fuck-Boy or Desperate Metal House Wives...... It's just stupid ignorant nonsense.... For the sake of stupid ignorant nonsense.


Especially since this was brought up over EVH cabs using Pine.... Which again is a Premium material for cabs and it's a higher grade than your standard Pine and cost more than Birch as a result.


Pine Cabs cost more than their Birch Cab counterparts and again nvm your delusion rants and BS and don't take my word for it....


These are the markets and manufacturers/builders prices. Facts.



Pine Cabs

Birch Cabs

Standard Princeton Reverb Reissue in Black with Birch and the Tweed version with Pine Cab

 

[napalmdeath]

All you have posted is BS and ignorant dribble.......genius.....


Facts.


We can see here and prices set by the market on cabs vs your ignorant BS or whatever nonsense you have said all throughout the thread


Nvm why manufacturers/builders like Fender and Peavey upcharge for premium Pine cabs vs their regular standard models.....


Again nothing wrong with Birch and I love my Birch 212 Cab but it's pretty ignorant to cast shade on Pine Cabs out some bias or BS or not sure what from some PRS Fan Fuck-Boy or Desperate Metal House Wives...... It's just stupid ignorant nonsense.... For the sake of stupid ignorant nonsense.


Especially since this was brought up over EVH cabs using Pine.... Which again is a Premium material for cabs and it's a higher grade than your standard Pine and cost more than Birch as a result.


Pine Cabs cost more than their Birch Cab counterparts and again nvm your delusion rants and BS and don't take my word for it....


These are the markets and manufacturers/builders prices. Facts.



Pine Cabs

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Birch Cabs

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Standard Princeton Reverb Reissue in Black with Birch and the Tweed version with Pine Cab

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So, both cut corners using cheaper material and CHARGE a premium price. Whats that prove, other than maximizing profit/price gouging? So, my money says you'd buy a Friedman 4x12 over that $1499 Peavey Invective cab? Why? Because deep down, you know the Friedman is a higher quality cab. And, you also know the Friedman has better resale value. Why would that be?

Here's a quick Google AI search that even a waterhead like yourself could do:

is a premium pine 4x12 cabinet more expensive than baltic birch?

No, a premium pine 4x12 cabinet is generally less expensive than one made of Baltic birch. Baltic birch is a dense hardwood plywood considered the "gold standard" for speaker cabinets, making it pricier to source. Pine, being a softer and more accessible wood, typically costs less to manufacture.

While premium pine cabs can get pricey if they are finger-jointed and finished with high-end lacquers, raw Baltic birch sheet goods almost always command a higher premium per square foot. In the guitar community, there is a strong consensus on that Baltic birch is superior for massive 4x12 enclosures because its stiffness prevents the "flubby" bass sometimes caused by pine's resonance.

So, those are facts. It just proves that the Peavey's are way overpriced and not a good value if you're using common sense.