Who's got a PRS Archon 4x12? Looking for info on construction/quality

[The~Kid]

So, both cut corners using cheaper material and CHARGE a premium price. Whats that prove, other than maximizing profit/price gouging? So, my money says you'd buy a Friedman 4x12 over that $1499 Peavey Invective cab? Why? Because deep down, you know the Friedman is a higher quality cab. And, you also know the Friedman has better resale value. Why would that be?

Here's a quick Google AI search that even a waterhead like yourself could do:

is a premium pine 4x12 cabinet more expensive than baltic birch?

No, a premium pine 4x12 cabinet is generally less expensive than one made of Baltic birch. Baltic birch is a dense hardwood plywood considered the "gold standard" for speaker cabinets, making it pricier to source. Pine, being a softer and more accessible wood, typically costs less to manufacture.

While premium pine cabs can get pricey if they are finger-jointed and finished with high-end lacquers, raw Baltic birch sheet goods almost always command a higher premium per square foot. In the guitar community, there is a strong consensus on that Baltic birch is superior for massive 4x12 enclosures because its stiffness prevents the "flubby" bass sometimes caused by pine's resonance.

So, those are facts. It just proves that the Peavey's are way overpriced and not a good value if you're using common sense.

These aren't facts.....


They are BS you got from AI. Facts.



Facts are Pine Cabs cost more than their same Birch Counterparts.



This isn't your self admitted AI BS and again facts as reflected by market prices of the same like product from respective manufacturers/builders within their range of products.

 

[The~Kid]

@napalmdeath you've lost all credibility here....


Nothing you say can be taken seriously and it's all conjecture and Bias.... For the sake of conjecture and Bias.


As said nothing wrong with either Birch or Pine and well either IMO is a good material IME. EVH also could have used any material to make and sell his cabs but he went with Pine because that's what he preferred and because it's a quality material as the Pine used to make guitar cabs are a higher grade of wood/material.


I trust Eddie over some random genius like yourself sorry

 

[napalmdeath]

These aren't facts.....


They are BS you got from AI. Facts.



Facts are Pine Cabs cost more than their same Birch Counterparts.



This isn't your self admitted AI BS and again facts as reflected by market prices of the same like product from respective manufacturers/builders within their range of products.

They're facts. You're just too ignorant to accept that you're wrong. But, stupid people typically don't know they're stupid, so now you know.

 

[The~Kid]

They're facts. You're just too ignorant to accept that you're wrong. But, stupid people typically don't know they're stupid, so now you know.

Yes I'm a dumbass/stupid and you're a Harvard Graduate..... Anymore enlightening things to say Einstein



Now I know

 

[The~Kid]

Anyways.......


I'ma plug into my Bad Cat 212 Lynx cab loaded with UK Celestion V30s..... Made out of Birch....


And Made in America/Built in USA.


And enjoy

 

[vultures]

I got the PRS HDRX 4x12. It’s currently in the garage. I bought it to match the head, but I’ve been using it Marshall 1960 AX.
I do not like the PRS cab. It’s got the G12H-75 Creambacks. I hate those speakers.
And this cabinet is not made out of Baltic Birch, so somehow I doubt the Archon cabinet is made out of Baltic Birch.
If you live near Myrtle Beach, I’d give you the cabinet for a song

Tempting. I got family in Mt. Pleasant, but I'm all the way up in NJ. I do need 4 Creambacks to put in an X-Pattern in some Orange cabs... Hmm..

I have too many cabs. I need to reconsider life.

 

[napalmdeath]

@napalmdeath you've lost all credibility here....


Nothing you say can be taken seriously and it's all conjecture and Bias.... For the sake of conjecture and Bias.


As said nothing wrong with either Birch or Pine and well either IMO is a good material IME. EVH also could have used any material to make and sell his cabs but he went with Pine because that's what he preferred and because it's a quality material as the Pine used to make guitar cabs are a higher grade of wood/material.


I trust Eddie over some random genius like yourself sorry

I'm not sure you know what half the words you use actually mean. Like I said before, you're a very low IQ person, and not the sharpest knife in the drawer, so I'm done spinning my wheels. You're a lost cause.

 

[The~Kid]

I'm not sure you know what half the words you use actually mean. Like I said before, you're a very low IQ person, and not the sharpest knife in the drawer, so I'm done spinning my wheels. You're a lost cause.

That may be so but at least I'm smarter than a rock/sponge

 

[napalmdeath]

That may be so but at least I'm smarter than a rock/sponge

I disagree.

 

[The~Kid]

I disagree.

And I disagree and you sure are a genius Bill Nye

 

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Man. This thread is another example of one moron that thinks he is a genius using marketing gimmicks to back up his theory, and another that is rational thinking and trying to use logic to back up an argument against that theory.

@The~Kid You are not the rational one here... Do you notice that you regularly end up in these same type of arguments in many threads?

In this particular case, we are looking at brands that use an inferior (conjecture) and cheaper (fact) product but charge more for it. The final price does not dictate quality

If you restrict your arguments to topics you actually know something about, we could avoid you showing your ignorance in 90% of threads.

I have said this before. But I will say it again. I know I make fun of you a lot, but I really don't hate you. I only get frustrated because you have a total lack of logic and a lack of knowledge of subjects that you pretend to be an expert in. Instead of admitting when you are wrong, you die on these hills that are ridiculous.

 

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@napalmdeath

There are a lot of us that have been where you are. It is baffling to try to argue with someone that tries to tell you about the landscape in front of you when they are closing their eyes as tight as they can.

It is impossible to teach this person, and so we try multiple ways to explain something to them in futility confused as to how they could still argue in the face of actual logic.

We actually found a video that explains this phenomenon perfectly

 

[The~Kid]

Man. This thread is another example of one moron that thinks he is a genius using marketing gimmicks to back up his theory, and another that is rational thinking and trying to use logic to back up an argument against that theory.

@The~Kid You are not the rational one here... Do you notice that you regularly end up in these same type of arguments in many threads?

In this particular case, we are looking at brands that use an inferior (conjecture) and cheaper (fact) product but charge more for it. The final price does not dictate quality

If you restrict your arguments to topics you actually know something about, we could avoid you showing your ignorance in 90% of threads.

I have said this before. But I will say it again. I know I make fun of you a lot, but I really don't hate you. I only get frustrated because you have a total lack of logic and a lack of knowledge of subjects that you pretend to be an expert in. Instead of admitting when you are wrong, you die on these hills that are ridiculous.

As said Pine used for cabs isn't a cheaper product that you find on Ikea crap and cheap furniture.....


Nvm it cost more then end cab cost more vs a Birch cab for said reasons NVM it's a lighter wood as well.


Again Eddie could have easily chosen Baltic Birch as a material to make the 412 cabs but didn't and went with Pine as it is a Premium material for cabs and some could consider an upgrade.


But again nvm that or market prices or why the same Pine cabs cost more than their Birch Counterparts and nvm practical commons sense

 

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As said Pine used for cabs isn't a cheaper product that you find on Ikea crap and cheap furniture.....


Nvm it cost more then end cab cost more vs a Birch cab for said reasons NVM it's a lighter wood as well.


Again Eddie could have easily chosen Baltic Birch as a material to make the 412 cabs but didn't and went with Pine as it is a Premium material for cabs and some could consider an upgrade.


But again nvm that or market prices or why the same Pine cabs cost more than their Birch Counterparts and nvm practical commons sense

Let's follow this logic. So the whole amp industry realizes that pine is better than birch. Pine is cheaper than birch...yet they choose pine for the high end stuff and the more expensive birch for the low end stuff? They do this to lose money in profits on the cheaper stuff?

So like I said in my post, which is better is a matter of opinion (conjecture).

Which is more expensive is not up for debate.

 

[The~Kid]

Let's follow this logic. So the whole amp industry realizes that pine is better than birch. Pine is cheaper than birch...yet they choose pine for the high end stuff and the more expensive birch for the low end stuff? They do this to lose money in profits on the cheaper stuff?

So like I said in my post, which is better is a matter of opinion (conjecture).

Which is more expensive is not up for debate.

Again..... You ignore that the Pine used isn't regular pine.....


Its a higher grade of Pine and as said I never said one was better than the other just said, it's not bad and typically it cost more when it's used for amps and cabs.

 

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Again..... You ignore that the Pine used isn't regular pine.....


Its a higher grade of Pine and as said I never said one was better than the other just said, it's not bad and typically it cost more when it's used for amps and cabs.

Ok. Fair enough. Link us the type of pine they use.

I have done ten minutes of research on the topic.

Conjecture: Some grades of pine, such as eastern white are said to have sweet sound and are used in vintage cabs for lower gain. Some manufactures use knotted pine to stay true to vintage offerings

Some manufacturers use the pine for construction as it is cheaper and use the birch for the baffle that offers more projection and consistency for high gain

Fact

Baltic birch is more expensive per sheet.

 

[The~Kid]

Ok. Fair enough. Link us the type of pine they use.

I have done ten minutes of research on the topic.

Conjecture: Some grades of pine, such as eastern white are said to have sweet sound and are used in vintage cabs for lower gain. Some manufactures use knotted pine to stay true to vintage offerings

Some manufacturers use the pine for construction as it is cheaper and use the birch for the baffle that offers more projection and consistency for high gain

Fact

Baltic birch is more expensive per sheet.

Well some use birch/pine ply and combine both and others use solid pine that is unknotted like what Peavey use for their Pine Cabs and others who make solid pine cabs I imagine do the same.


Cant find the link now but I know that's what Peavey does and uses solid higher unknotted graded and treated pine so it's harder to get as a lot of pine is knotted. As for Fender and EVH Pine/Birch ply cabs I figure its just trickier to mix woods like that in sourcing and manufacturing than it is to just make them out of one material. Also you kind of get the best of both worlds with Birch/Pine ply.



Trying EVH cabs too they aren't bad and they use a Birch/Pine ply

 

[The~Kid]

Also I have both a Birch/Pine Ply Fender cab in my Princeton Reverb Reissue with a P12Q Jenson and an all Birch Ply cab with my Bad Cat 212 Lynx Cab loaded with UK V30s......



Both are fucking great and sound amazing.


Really don't understand the fuss about either being better than the other and well they are both good IME and IMO