Why Democracy Leads to Tyranny

Thumbpicker said:
It's now been "tested" on billions. That makes it one of the most tested drugs in the history of man.
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But Covid still spread like wildfire after the vaccine was widely available. People lime to say that the vaccines lessened the severity of Covid and kept them out of the hospital or morgue. More likely the virus mutated into one that spreads far more easily and has much milder effects. Virus are prone to mutate in this way as to better allow the survival of the species.

I work in a job that was deemed essential and came into contact with many, many people throughout the entire pandemic. I didn't get the first dose of vaccine until Match of 2021. I never got Covid until January of 2022, six weeks after getting my third Covid shot. Symptoms were not severe, nor were the symptoms of my unvaccinated daughter a month prior.

I would be surprised if the Covid vaccines weren't eventually proven to be as ineffective in fighting Covid as phenylephrine is in combating nasal congestion. It is early but Covid vaccines may prove to be the boondoggle of the century.
 
Thumbpicker said:
Yes but here we slowed the spread until we got vaccinated unlike the US. So it worked. I didn't end up catching it until I was fully vaccinated and then for me it was mild - so I'm happy I was vaccinated.
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You could've chosen to stay home on your own accord and prevented catching it until you were vaccinated. It didn't take the government to do that. They aren't the hero of our story.
 
VonBonfire said:
You could've chosen to stay home on your own accord and prevented catching it until you were vaccinated. It didn't take the government to do that. They aren't the hero of our story.
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No not true - if it was like that other people in my household would have brought it home. Most people don't live in isolation.
 
VonBonfire said:
Not if the other people in your home voluntarily chose to stay home also.
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On a society wide basis, if left to individuals, a consensus on that would never be reached. Which is what happened in the US and why you had ten time the number of deaths per capita.
 
acceptance said:
Dude. How is it my fault someone’s roommate, spouse, etc. can’t take proper precautions? …It’s not! And how is it my fault some nursing home can’t properly vet the visitors as needed during a pandemic? …It’s not! Have you ever heard of personal responsibility? You are as “Left” as anyone I’ve ever heard! You call yourself a conservative?! You’re just a big government, whiny ass lefty 🤣
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No - I am against socialism and wealth redistribution to people who haven't earnt it. I am all for the free market. I am also against immigration and the destruction of western civilisation via the dilution of our culture from incompatible cultures. That's all very conservative and right leaning. Lefties would have us invaded and give an income to people for who have done nothing for it by taxing the wealth of those who have gotten ahead through their own initiative.

I am not a US republican with no brains that just parrots wankers like Trump and his nonsense. You don't need to be a fascist to be a conservative. Nor do you have to subscribe to what constitutes rightwing in the US. I don't have to agree with your constitution or your system of government. Being rightwing is not something that is exclusive to being a rightwing American.
 
Thumbpicker said:
On a society wide basis, if left to individuals, a consensus on that would never be reached. Which is what happened in the US and why you had ten time the number of deaths per capita.
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We aren't talking about consensus. We are talking about the simple method of choosing to stay home to prevent bringing covid home to your house rather than requiring people to lock down at home. The net effect of a household that chooses to stay home is the same as one that is forced to stay home,minus the resentment that has been created.
 
Bluesuede said:
I would be surprised if the Covid vaccines weren't eventually proven to be as ineffective in fighting Covid as phenylephrine is in combating nasal congestion. It is early but Covid vaccines may prove to be the boondoggle of the century.
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There are multiple studies that show “negative efficacy”, IE you are more likely to catch it the more you are vaccinated. Sorry, boondoggle is being generous. It was a crime against humanity.
 
VonBonfire said:
We aren't talking about consensus. We are talking about the simple method of choosing to stay home to prevent bringing covid home to your house rather than requiring people to lock down at home. The net effect of a household that chooses to stay home is the same as one that is forced to stay home,minus the resentment that has been created.
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And what makes you think that consensus can be reached in a household of individuals that may not think the same. Try that with teenagers in your household.
 
VonBonfire said:
Whose house is it? My house isn't a democracy, it's a kingdom. My kingdom.
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I'm not merely talking about my household I'm talking about the millions of households out there and why leaving it up to you method wouldn't work as a method of infection control en-masse
 
Thumbpicker said:
am also against immigration and the destruction of western civilisation via the dilution of our culture from incompatible cultures. That's all very conservative and right leaning.
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No it’s not. Well it maybe be right leaning or conservative but it’s not free market. It is fascist. Learn your terms son.
 
You forget - we already succeeded. We kept the deaths down and have come out the other side. We succeeded where you failed.
 
acceptance said:
No it’s not. Well it maybe be right leaning or conservative but it’s not free market. It is fascist. Learn your terms son.
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Wrong. You can be democratic without being multicultural. You don't need to be a one party state with an autocrat. Indeed even after I was born Australia still had what was called the "White Australia Policy". We weren't fascist when that policy was in force.
 
Thumbpicker said:
I'm not merely talking about my household I'm talking about the millions of households out there and why leaving it up to you method wouldn't work as a method of infection control en-masse
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If those households had real concerns then they would've chosen to stay home. The infection control only works when everyone stays home, and you can't enforce that, it's not realistic or even possible to do so. Even with threats of imprisonment or a firing squad for offenders it's still going to spread because you can't legislate your way into compliance.
 
VonBonfire said:
I don't call arresting people for sunbathing on the beach a success btw.
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I do. It wasn't the sunbaking that was the problem. it was avoiding contact with people and thereby spreading the virus. The virus doesn't care why you are in a group of people it just needs a group of people.
 
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