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that new jmd1 is so bad sounding... I guess if you never heard a good marshall or splawn or whatever then you have nothing to compare it too.... however my kerry king head is awesome!!
quinnethan":t2utkgl4 said:Blackie08":t2utkgl4 said:Tawlks":t2utkgl4 said:Heritage Softail":t2utkgl4 said:Blackie08":t2utkgl4 said:They are more concerned about selling amps than putting out an actual good product. The JVM used to interest me, but then I played it side by side with Quickrod through a 1960 cab with greenbacks...... holy crap did the Splawn absolutely destroy it in every way possible. JVM sounded like a fizzy toy....
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Quickrod is a current production marshall killer. If GC carried the entire Splawn lineup, including Nitro, they would rarely sell a marshall. Well, except at price based sales, def not tone based.
How much does a Quickrod go for?
$1850 and you can get it in any tolex and headshell you want..... as opposed to 2200+ for teh JVM. Shit, you could buy a Quickrod and a matching Splawn 2x12 cab for the price of a JVM.
http://splawnguitars.com/amps08.htm
I played the new Quickrod (2010 model) with the new clean channel and loop master, great low vol tones. But holy shit when that thing is cooking, It will take out any Marshall, modded or stock. Insane Splawn GAS now![]()
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I have some major QR gas right now!
This. I have been told how great my "Marshall" sounds a couple times. ...It's a Marshall 4x12 with an SLO sitting on top.Death by Uberschall":kdvwjdm3 said:The real reason is because 99% of non-pro players simply don't know any better.![]()
Marshall has become a company for profit more than it is about great amps. Cut this, save that, etc.
We're spoiled here because there is so much info available about great builders. Marshall relies on it's past history and name recognition. And when you get the latest greatest bands to put up walls of Marshall's in front of the amps they have hidden behind them that they're really rocking, you get a general public who thinks all those great tones can only come from a Marshall. Even if they are using the heads that are out front, doesn't mean they're stock. Really doesn't mean they're Marshall's either, no matter what the head shell says.
mikey":1nvhqcji said:This. I have been told how great my "Marshall" sounds a couple times. ...It's a Marshall 4x12 with an SLO sitting on top.Death by Uberschall":1nvhqcji said:The real reason is because 99% of non-pro players simply don't know any better.![]()
Marshall has become a company for profit more than it is about great amps. Cut this, save that, etc.
We're spoiled here because there is so much info available about great builders. Marshall relies on it's past history and name recognition. And when you get the latest greatest bands to put up walls of Marshall's in front of the amps they have hidden behind them that they're really rocking, you get a general public who thinks all those great tones can only come from a Marshall. Even if they are using the heads that are out front, doesn't mean they're stock. Really doesn't mean they're Marshall's either, no matter what the head shell says.
blackba":1fd0ymtk said:There seems to be 4 camps of people:
1. Those who think all marshall's suck
2. Those who think the only good Marshall amps were made before around 1980
3. Those who think the only good Marshall amps were made before around 1990
4. Those who think all Marshalls both new and old have good things to offer
Marshall is production amp company, not a boutique builder (though they do have a few handwired amps). I think the reason alot of people don't like new Marshalls is that the cheap components they use today are just not as good as the cheap components they used in the past. Also, Marshall for the most part is trying to move forward, creating multichannel amps. If you are a fan of a single channel NMV amp, than a channel switching amp just won't do. My biggest complaint with some of the new Marshalls like the DSL and JVM is that they left out a choke. The Marshall Class5 sure looks like a cool little amp.![]()
I see Fender as in the same boat as Marshall. They are both haunted by their past. If they try to move forward, they lose the old fans, who want a copy of a late 60's amp. If they just build reissues, people would say they are just resting on their laurels.
Look at the DSL, vintage modern, and JVM, they are frequently compared to a JCM800 or JMP. I think the comparison is unavoidable.
Tawlks":n9batc4c said:blackba":n9batc4c said:There seems to be 4 camps of people:
1. Those who think all marshall's suck
2. Those who think the only good Marshall amps were made before around 1980
3. Those who think the only good Marshall amps were made before around 1990
4. Those who think all Marshalls both new and old have good things to offer
Marshall is production amp company, not a boutique builder (though they do have a few handwired amps). I think the reason alot of people don't like new Marshalls is that the cheap components they use today are just not as good as the cheap components they used in the past. Also, Marshall for the most part is trying to move forward, creating multichannel amps. If you are a fan of a single channel NMV amp, than a channel switching amp just won't do. My biggest complaint with some of the new Marshalls like the DSL and JVM is that they left out a choke. The Marshall Class5 sure looks like a cool little amp.![]()
I see Fender as in the same boat as Marshall. They are both haunted by their past. If they try to move forward, they lose the old fans, who want a copy of a late 60's amp. If they just build reissues, people would say they are just resting on their laurels.
Look at the DSL, vintage modern, and JVM, they are frequently compared to a JCM800 or JMP. I think the comparison is unavoidable.
I agree with this. It's a bit like Gibson, they try and make innovative stuff but it all sucks, the die hard fans want re-issues of 50 year old guitars, the guys like us just buy them and chuck the pickups and stuff anyway. They live off their name and their legacy, not their product. I tell this to everyone who thinks about buying a Gibson and they reply with "But Gibson are the best guitar makers in the world" and I'll say "Well, i'm sure Suhr, Anderson, PRS, Caparison, ESP and the likes are worth considering, quite a few of them are cheaper as well"
So, Marshall users these days...
Slash - Mods them
Dave Mustaine - will endourse fucking anything.
Billie Joe Armstrong - mods them
The guy from Bowling For Soup - He's in fucking Bowling For Soup
Zakk Wylde - has shit tone IMO.
And yet Tawlks Gibson still keeps cranking guitars out...why? Because they freakin sell. Regardless of "who" buys them they still continue to sell. No different than Marshall.Tawlks":20ui063v said:blackba":20ui063v said:There seems to be 4 camps of people:
1. Those who think all marshall's suck
2. Those who think the only good Marshall amps were made before around 1980
3. Those who think the only good Marshall amps were made before around 1990
4. Those who think all Marshalls both new and old have good things to offer
Marshall is production amp company, not a boutique builder (though they do have a few handwired amps). I think the reason alot of people don't like new Marshalls is that the cheap components they use today are just not as good as the cheap components they used in the past. Also, Marshall for the most part is trying to move forward, creating multichannel amps. If you are a fan of a single channel NMV amp, than a channel switching amp just won't do. My biggest complaint with some of the new Marshalls like the DSL and JVM is that they left out a choke. The Marshall Class5 sure looks like a cool little amp.![]()
I see Fender as in the same boat as Marshall. They are both haunted by their past. If they try to move forward, they lose the old fans, who want a copy of a late 60's amp. If they just build reissues, people would say they are just resting on their laurels.
Look at the DSL, vintage modern, and JVM, they are frequently compared to a JCM800 or JMP. I think the comparison is unavoidable.
I agree with this. It's a bit like Gibson, they try and make innovative stuff but it all sucks, the die hard fans want re-issues of 50 year old guitars, the guys like us just buy them and chuck the pickups and stuff anyway. They live off their name and their legacy, not their product. I tell this to everyone who thinks about buying a Gibson and they reply with "But Gibson are the best guitar makers in the world" and I'll say "Well, i'm sure Suhr, Anderson, PRS, Caparison, ESP and the likes are worth considering, quite a few of them are cheaper as well"
So, Marshall users these days...
Slash - Mods them
Dave Mustaine - will endourse fucking anything.
Billie Joe Armstrong - mods them
The guy from Bowling For Soup - He's in fucking Bowling For Soup
Zakk Wylde - has shit tone IMO.
And it doesn't mean it's not. I remember years ago when I worked for the promoter in my hometown (had unlimited access)...I'd always go back stage looking for the secret amps, for 8 years I did that. Don't think I ever found one. Not saying it doesn't happen...just not to the degree that some believe.Death by Uberschall":2cquk7ya said:Marshall has plenty of money to throw around, that's how they get those walls of fake amps/cabs across those stages. Doesn't mean what you hear is coming from Marshall.![]()