rsm
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Believe what you want, but the reasons mentioned here are more plausible than the popular reasons we've been told.
Why believe Eisenhower, Truman, and actual government reports and statements?
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Believe what you want, but the reasons mentioned here are more plausible than the popular reasons we've been told.
Why believe Eisenhower, Truman, and actual government reports and statements?
IMO
Ben Waylin
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What does this guy think the "real" reason was ?
Bagel and Creamcheese
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He thinks it was to send a message to the USSR plus that the US was worried that Russia would invade Japan and turn it communist. At least that's what I got from the first 3 minutes. I didn't watch past that.What does this guy think the "real" reason was ?
There are grains of truth in what he said but those were not the primary reasons, they were secondary or tertiary reasons.
The YouTuber also uses the word Socialism wherehe means Communism. The two are not the same. Not close. When he conflated the two for the third time was when I turned him off.
rsm
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Just ignore what Eisenhower, Truman and US government agencies wrote; several sources admit the nuclear bombs weren't necessary; Japan was looking for a way to surrender without dishonor prior to the nukes; Stalin's declaration of war on Japan in 1945 accelerated the US efforts to gain control before the Soviets could invade Japan and force a division of Japan similar to Germany.
But focus on the youtuber messenger's choice of words since those are more important than what Eisenhower, Truman and US government agencies stated at the time.
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And now we hear from the other Putinversteher.......
ccn
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The below is how a REAL LEADER deals with immigration .
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Another Putin ass licker.
You can clearly tell this forum is not owned by Americans.
You can clearly tell this forum is not owned by Americans.
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JackTheBear
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??? Liquor Up Front / Inbred Tranny Schrödinger’s Donnie / Nevets SOCK PUPPETS ???
… When Bagel just can’t handle the pressure??
… When Bagel just can’t handle the pressure??
Ben Waylin
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If that's what he's saying, then that makes zero fucking sense..
Klaus Fuchs (and other spies within the Manhattan project) had already given them enough technical data to construct a copy of the Trinity device, and the program was underway prior to the Potsdam conference.
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? Donnie Self Talk Sock Puppet Show Live Streaming ?
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Because they sucked back then.
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1942: Prescott Bush, father of future Presidents’ George Herbert Walker and George W, has his company seized under the, “Trading With The Enemy,” Act. He was funding Hitler from America, whilst American soldiers were being killed by German soldiers. Jews are also being slaughtered by these same soldiers. Interestingly the ADL (Anti 'Jew' Defamation League circa 1913) never criticizes any of the Bushes for this.
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Hiroshima, Nagasaki Bombings Were Needless, Said World War II’s Top US Military Leaders
Let’s first hear what they had to say, and then examine key facts that led them to their little-publicized convictions:
- General Dwight Eisenhower on learning of the planned bombings: “I had been conscious of a feeling of depression and voiced to [Secretary of War Stimson] my grave misgivings, first on the basis of my belief that Japan was already defeated and that dropping the bomb was completely unnecessary, and secondly because I thought that our country should avoid shocking world opinion by the use of a weapon whose employment was, I thought, no longer mandatory as a measure to save American lives. It was my belief that Japan was, at that very moment, seeking some way to surrender with a minimum loss of ‘face’.”
- Admiral William Leahy, Truman’s Chief of Staff: “The use of this barbarous weapon…was of no material assistance in our war against Japan. The Japanese were already defeated and ready to surrender because of the effective sea blockade and the successful bombing with conventional weapons.”
- Major General Curtis LeMay, 21st Bomber Command: “The war would have been over in two weeks without the Russians entering and without the atomic bomb…The atomic bomb had nothing to do with the end of the war at all.”
- General Hap Arnold, US Army Air Forces: “The Japanese position was hopeless even before the first atomic bomb fell, because the Japanese had lost control of their own air.” “It always appeared to us that, atomic bomb or no atomic bomb, the Japanese were already on the verge of collapse.”
- Ralph Bird, Under Secretary of the Navy: “The Japanese were ready for peace, and they already had approached the Russians and the Swiss…In my opinion, the Japanese war was really won before we ever used the atom bomb.”
- Brigadier General Carter Clarke, military intelligence officer who prepared summaries of intercepted cables for Truman: “When we didn’t need to do it, and we knew we didn’t need to do it…we used [Hiroshima and Nagasaki] as an experiment for two atomic bombs. Many other high-level military officers concurred.”
- Fleet Admiral Chester Nimitz, Pacific Fleet commander: “The use of atomic bombs at Hiroshima and Nagasaki was of no material assistance in our war against Japan. The Japanese were already defeated and ready to surrender.”
The Americans knew of Japan’s intent to surrender, having intercepted a July 12 cable from Japanese Foreign Minister Shigenori Togo, informing Japanese ambassador to Russia Naotake Sato that “we are now secretly giving consideration to the termination of the war because of the pressing situation which confronts Japan both at home and abroad.”
Japan’s central concern was the retention of its emperor, Hirohito, who was considered a demigod. Even knowing this — and with many US officials feeling the retention of the emperor could help Japanese society through its postwar transition —the Truman administration continued issuing demands for unconditional surrender, offering no assurance that the emperor would be spared humiliation or worse.
In a July 2 memorandum, Secretary of War Henry Stimson drafted a terms-of-surrender proclamation to be issued at the conclusion of that month’s Potsdam Conference. He advised Truman that, “if…we should add that we do not exclude a constitutional monarchy under her present dynasty, it would substantially add to the chances of acceptance.”
Truman and Secretary of State James Byrnes, however, continued rejecting recommendations to give assurances about the emperor. The final Potsdam Declaration, issued July 26, omitted Stimson’s recommended language, sternly declaring, “Following are our terms. We will not deviate from them.”
psychodave
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Japan surrendered to prevent Russia from invading and taking control over the country. The atomic bombs just sped up Japan's decision to surrender.
My neighbor was a Marine in WW2 and he told me numerous times he was trained to attack main-land Japan. He was on a ship off the coast of Okinawa when we dropped the bombs.
My neighbor was a Marine in WW2 and he told me numerous times he was trained to attack main-land Japan. He was on a ship off the coast of Okinawa when we dropped the bombs.
70 Mach 1
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Can't figure out how countries the size of Japan and Germany wrecked so much havoc.
Their tiny footprints on any map.
Their tiny footprints on any map.
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