why the Kahler hate?

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im considering a kahler for my guitar but i see lots of people complain about tuning, bending problems etc

but i dont get it since hanneman, becker, king, tipton, cantrell dont seem to have those problem in the studio or live :doh:
 
I think it’s just what you’re used to, whether it asthetically,or physically. I like a recessed Floyd when I use a trem, low to the body, and out of the way. Or at least that’s how it seems to me.
 
Kahlers have a nice slinky feel so they can be an improvement in shred for some, but my experience has been tuning stability issues..even with pulling it off and cleaning, making it new (almost) they still have tuning issues. If you use the bar much the strings can pop off...not good. Floyd have a better tone to me, snappier if you will. Tuning wise it's no contest for the Floyd.
I can live with a Kahler but if I were still gigging I'd leave it at home...hate it when it would go out of tune.
 
Nothing beats a Kahler with a Floyd nut. Most of the hate comes from people unable or not knowing to set them up.
 
I've used both Kahlers and Floyds since '89 and they're just different animals. I've never had tuning or stability issues with a Kahler. I do agree that the Floyd nut is better than the behind the nut lock that Kahler originally used. If think most problems are caused by not having the Kahler setup correctly. The strings won't pop off the saddles if the saddles are set high enough to maintain a proper angle and the rollers move freely. I've seen a lot of Kahlers come mounted on shims that raise the plate too high to keep the saddles up where they need to be. With behind the nut locks, tuning issues are dependent upon a properly cut nut (one of the reasons I prefer the Floyd lock). OTOH, having choices in how the nut is set up (string spacing) and the material (bone, graphite, etc.), can be a benefit, too.

For me, Kahlers seem to maintain more of a Gibson-like tone and feel. With the standard springs, they are very smooth. With heavier springs, they feel more like a Floyd and will flutter. String spacing is adjustable and intonation is much easier to set. There are more tonal options, with combinations of brass, steel, and aluminum rollers and cams. I think they're not as common as Floyds because they're more expensive to manufacture. They do require more maintenance, but not really that different from maintaining a vintage Fender tremolo or a fixed bridge.

Mostly, I think a lot of people tend to shy away from things with which they are not familiar. Having used (and still using) both, I like them both and find them to just be different tools. In general, I'm not sure I prefer one more than the other. Set up and maintained properly, they're both great!
 
EXPcustom":1ny2o9ws said:
Nothing beats a Kahler with a Floyd nut. Most of the hate comes from people unable or not knowing to set them up.
Never tried one with a Floyd nut, just the standard Kahler. Although I have played Floyds with a Kahler nut. The 80s USA Charvels and Jacksons with Kahlers were relatively stable with tuning but there was always one or two songs that I could hear some off intonation....frustrating. Loved the slinky feel though...
 
EXPcustom":2h0obxla said:
Nothing beats a Kahler with a Floyd nut. Most of the hate comes from people unable or not knowing to set them up.

Except a Floyd with a Floyd nut.
 
chunktone":nwzmh4hi said:
EXPcustom":nwzmh4hi said:
Nothing beats a Kahler with a Floyd nut. Most of the hate comes from people unable or not knowing to set them up.

Except a Floyd with a Floyd nut.
Winning,
 
I’ve got an original Kahler Steeler Trem in one of my Bich’s, best and most stable tremolo system I’ve ever used
 
Zachalou":3lmvdlpp said:
I’ve got an original Kahler Steeler Trem in one of my Bich’s, best and most stable tremolo system I’ve ever used

yeah but that a floyd type of tremolo, not like the classic 2300 series they are know for
 
I had one on a Jackson RR that I traded off years ago for an amp. I like it better than a Floyd, however, I'm not a wigglestick manic. Now I own 3 Floyds and two stringthru's only because that's what is out there. I wouldn't hesitate on buying one again, personal taste though. I'd say try it, see if you can gel with the Kahler.
 
petee":3rzh2cxd said:
I'd say try it, see if you can gel with the Kahler.
Good advice there... Nothing wrong if you do like it and nothing wrong if you don't.
 
In all seriousness I had an 86 Jackson SD, black 2 hum I got from GC for like 450...it was kinda beat...had a Kahler and I cleaned it up, replaced the nut with a new one and it played like a dream and stayed in tune for like half my gig lol.....shoulda kept that one and toughed it out....
 
My goofball buddy and I are waiting in line for one of those guitar solo contest at a bar. Two dudes in front of us are talking about Floyds. My buddy butts in and goes "Fuck that, Kahlers are the the best" and does a big divebomb. ALL SIX strings flew out of the saddles. It was hilariuous! THey go, that settles it. :lol: :LOL:
 
PatF":3vqf2p93 said:
My goofball buddy and I are waiting in line for one of those guitar solo contest at a bar. Two dudes in front of us are talking about Floyds. My buddy butts in and goes "Fuck that, Kahlers are the the best" and does a big divebomb. ALL SIX strings flew out of the saddles. It was hilariuous! THey go, that settles it. :lol: :LOL:
:lol: :LOL: :lol: :LOL: :lol: :LOL: :lol: :LOL:

One thing is for sure, whenever I look on Reverb or Ebay, the Kahler Charvels/Jacksons (vintage) go for less than the Floyded versions.
 
Best Floyd ever is the Kahler Steeler.
The regular Kahlers just feel soft and mushy to me.
Must of been a problem since Kahler made a ‘floyd’ upgrade with stiffer springs.
I remember buying the kit back in the 80s.
 
paulyc":1ozobd25 said:
chunktone":1ozobd25 said:
EXPcustom":1ozobd25 said:
Nothing beats a Kahler with a Floyd nut. Most of the hate comes from people unable or not knowing to set them up.

Except a Floyd with a Floyd nut.
Winning,

Yeah especially if you like a huge portion of the most resonate part of a guitar's wood body literally ripped out of a guitar. :scared:
 
PatF":24z7qdry said:
My goofball buddy and I are waiting in line for one of those guitar solo contest at a bar. Two dudes in front of us are talking about Floyds. My buddy butts in and goes "Fuck that, Kahlers are the the best" and does a big divebomb. ALL SIX strings flew out of the saddles. It was hilariuous! THey go, that settles it. :lol: :LOL:
Must've had the secret "eject" mod... :lol: :LOL:
 
One big difference I noticed between the kahler and the Floyd was that on the Kahler, when you do a dive bomb and all the strings go slack like spaghetti, they end up magnetically sticking to the bridge pick up. This is due to the fact that on the kahler, the ball end of the string is not removed and is just sitting in the saddles loose. On the Floyd, the string exits the Floyd locked in place and perpendicular (ie straight up off the Trem) and doesn’t give your bridge pickups magnetic pull any chance to ‘suck your strings’ down onto the pickup. The result on a Floyd is that you can get that ‘garbage cans rolling down the street’ sound. For the Kahler, your strings get stuck on top of your bridge pickup, giving you nothing but crickets.
 
EXPcustom":nr1fy8a6 said:
paulyc":nr1fy8a6 said:
chunktone":nr1fy8a6 said:
EXPcustom":nr1fy8a6 said:
Nothing beats a Kahler with a Floyd nut. Most of the hate comes from people unable or not knowing to set them up.

Except a Floyd with a Floyd nut.
Winning,

Yeah especially if you like a huge portion of the most resonate part of a guitar's wood body literally ripped out of a guitar. :scared:
Kahlers lose sustain, I’ve owned several. The rollers and just the general design just lose tone. A Floyd loses only what, an extra 1/4 inch of wood over a vintage strat bridge ? The Kahler needs a hole routed in the face of the guitar too.
 
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