You won't buy Chinese/foreign amps? Look around your house !

[fek]

I work for a marketing agency. At a client meeting, a discussion on outsourcing came up. This particular customer makes electronics used in many military aircraft and also in civilian equipment. Their position was that they were very strong supporters of keeping jobs in America and tried to use local suppliers for services whenever possible.

I lost a bid on a print job because they have always outsourced it to China.

 

[cujo]

whats wrong i read some bullshit post about this amp sucks cuz its made in china or whatever... when the facts are the facts...
then you guys say i try to buy american, n keep jobs here...which is such bullshit in this day n age.... but youll buy marshall n diezel n engl n on n on ... as well as everything else you own in your home!

not starting a fkn fight but stating facts just like all of you do on other threads!

 

[bravedude2]

 

[Kapo_Polenton]

The argument is less about "made in america" and more about "assembled in america" because you pay workers in america to put together the product and are therefore putting money into your own economy. The company you buy the amp from is already putting money into the pockets of the chinese because all parts are sourced from there. A lot of people on this board choose their "made (assembled) in america" amps because of this fact. You also tend to get slightly better quality control on north american products but not all the time. The argument is less about the quality of the chinese amps and more about supporting or not supporting chinese economy. Lots of good amps and pedals are made in China. At that price point however, you are not likely to get chassis mounted tube sockets etc etc... then again, in a lot of newer USA amps you may not get that either. At the end of the day, you choose where to put your cashola.

 

[cujo]

Many "foregin" cars are built in America by Americans who are well paid. Mercedes, Toyota, Honda, Hyundai, Kia among others all have plant in the USA. It's not black and white, there is definitely a lot of gray area. Like I said, if you choose not to at least try you have already given up.

you guys are pathetic in your minds.... everything is fucking farmed out your clothes... better sell your cars n fkn pickup trucks ... just cuz an amp is made in china doesnt make it shit as so many perceive... thats bullshit!

foreign cars are built way better than american...

better toss your fkn ibanez gtrs...

and gibson american quality ha ha ha fkn plz!

and the parts to those cars that they just "assemble"are made overseas or in mexico.....just like amplifiers are!!!!

 

[guitup too]

Just because something is made in China doesn't mean it's gonna suck. Trying to keep jobs in the U.S. is NOT b.s. THAT attitude is a big part of the problem.

whats wrong i read some bullshit post about this amp sucks cuz its made in china or whatever... when the facts are the facts...
then you guys say i try to buy american, n keep jobs here...which is such bullshit in this day n age.... but youll buy marshall n diezel n engl n on n on ... as well as everything else you own in your home!

not starting a fkn fight but stating facts just like all of you do on other threads!

 

[guitup too]

Well said.

The argument is less about "made in america" and more about "assembled in america" because you pay workers in america to put together the product and are therefore putting money into your own economy. The company you buy the amp from is already putting money into the pockets of the chinese because all parts are sourced from there. A lot of people on this board choose their "made (assembled) in america" amps because of this fact. You also tend to get slightly better quality control on north american products but not all the time. The argument is less about the quality of the chinese amps and more about supporting or not supporting chinese economy. Lots of good amps and pedals are made in China. At that price point however, you are not likely to get chassis mounted tube sockets etc etc... then again, in a lot of newer USA amps you may not get that either. At the end of the day, you choose where to put your cashola.

 

[Jammin'John]

I buy american amps and I have a stash of american tubes. I buy british "flavored" american speakers.
NOT because I'm a snob or that I'm rich.
I've NEVER had a union job,never been a teacher,postman,cop,in the service,etc.
I DON'T have much $$$$$$$$.
I still CHOOSE to buy american.
My motorcycles on the other hand are from japan (except for my honda) and they clearly say JAPAN on them.
The supposedly "american" motorcycle marque however waves the flag way up high but makes their bike out of chinese,taiwanese,japanese,parts without lowering the price. Wave the flag there boys.

JJ

 

[guitup too]

You are right, some of those parts are made in other countries while some are made in the U.S. with the final product being assembled in the U.S. by well paid U.S. workers. Again, it's not black and white. Within 1 1/2 hours of my area there are Mercedes, Honda, Hyundai, Toyota plants. Many suppliers for those plant sprung up in our area to feed these plants. My son works for a company that stamps out metal parts for Mercedes, Nissan and others. Next door to his company is a company that makes plastic parts for Mercedes, Nissan, .....
Ask yourself this, if given a choice would you rather support your neighbor or someone on the other side of the planet? I want myself and my neighbors to be able to support themselves and their families. It makes for a better society.

Many "foregin" cars are built in America by Americans who are well paid. Mercedes, Toyota, Honda, Hyundai, Kia among others all have plant in the USA. It's not black and white, there is definitely a lot of gray area. Like I said, if you choose not to at least try you have already given up.

you guys are pathetic in your minds.... everything is fucking farmed out your clothes... better sell your cars n fkn pickup trucks ... just cuz an amp is made in china doesnt make it shit as so many perceive... thats bullshit!

foreign cars are built way better than american...

better toss your fkn ibanez gtrs...

and gibson american quality ha ha ha fkn plz!

and the parts to those cars that they just "assemble"are made overseas or in mexico.....just like amplifiers are!!!!

 

[Bob Savage]

and the parts to those cars that they just "assemble"are made overseas or in mexico.....just like amplifiers are!!!!

Doggie got a hold of a paint brush and is taking broad, sweeping strokes. Quit barking and do a little research of your own. Start with the Toyota Tundra and go from there. Mad puppy might find that less bark and more listen is a good thing.

 

[cujo]

Bob you know my point is valid so stop talking shit!

 

[Bob Savage]

Bob you know my point is valid so stop talking shit!

Poochie, have you heard the saying "pot calling the kettle black?"

 

[Skrapmetal]

I own more Japanese-made guitars than American now, I think.

There are places outside of American that produce high quality stuff. Generally, China isn't one of them... in regards to guitar gear. This is as much because of the companies that are having their stuff made there as it is the quality of labor available in China. Many guitar/amp companies keep the production of their top-of-the-line gear here in the States, and send their low end gear production to China. This makes it pretty reasonable to say you don't want one of their products that are made there, because it is inferior.

This has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not my iphone that is made in China is good quality, and trying to compare the situations is just stupid.

 

[glpg80]

I buy American because once upon a time everything was not made in China. I also drive a used made in USA truck from the 90's that i can repair myself and also own designed and built in USA amplifiers.

Facts are facts. Small businesses who need to reduce overhead will use overseas companies like OSC to manufacture boards or components. All the while trojan horse password crackers continue to be sent to the same USA small business companies to try and steal. This is not a lie - this happened to a Senior Engineer who caught said example behind a firewall.

Keep saying it does not matter. Facts that present themselves today are continuing to evolve and people are fed up with the volume of importing and job outsourcing. If you have anything of a brain on your shoulders and want jobs to come back you will hit the corporate assholes where it hurts most.

 

[Bob Savage]

Facts that present themselves today are continuing to evolve and people are fed up with the volume of importing and job outsourcing.

I sure hope so. International trade isn't a problem in and of itself and in fact can be a very good thing, where the issue lies is in the lack of trade ballance. You can't outsource this much of your products and jobs and not expect a collapse eventually.

 

[glpg80]

Facts that present themselves today are continuing to evolve and people are fed up with the volume of importing and job outsourcing.

I sure hope so. International trade isn't a problem in and of itself and in fact can be a very good thing, where the issue lies is in the lack of trade ballance. You can't outsource this much of your products and jobs and not expect a collapse eventually.

It does not help they also suppress the value of their own currency to let it continue to happen. One thing Obama wont do is call China on its own card - one thing that Romney was planning to do as soon as he got into office.

 

[Bob Savage]

It does not help they also suppress the value of their own currency to let it continue to happen. One thing Obama wont do is call China on its own card - one thing that Romney was planning to do as soon as he got into office.

Yeah, well that and the cost of product won't stay that way for long. We're going to end up in a position where the US doesn't have the facilities to manufacture any longer (already there for many products) and China is going to crank up the price the same way Home Depot did after they ran mom and pop out of town. It won't happen overnight, more like the old "how do you cook a frog." Slowly crank the heat...

 

[Anonymous]

circuit boards , resistors, caps etc are made overseas in many of your So called USA amps...

Tubes are all made overseas

What pedals are you using? what processors are you using? components made in ...yep china!

Better not buy Diezel, or Engl or Marshall since you all want to keep jobs in "america" and only buy your usa amps!

sorry but american quality blows in many areas! lazy fuckin americans would rather be on there cell phones or getting drunk or ass chasing than worried about quality control!

In all seriousness, what is your problem that you find it necessary to pollute the board with this nonsense?

Steve

 

[Rock Bodom]

Tone chasing knows no borders…I will buy an amp built in a sweatshop in Kazakhstan housed in an old vodka crate if it has “the tone”.

 

[Bob Savage]

In all seriousness, what is your problem that you find it necessary to pollute the board with this nonsense?

This is called getting straight to the point.