Proof the Earth is round

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So now you think everything revolves around the Earth rather than the Sun. That's a whole 'nother thread right there.
We KNOW it revolves around the Sun so clearly there is a problem with you thinking God is limited because you seem to think he can't fulfill the creation of the Earth in the order that he wrote it down in Genesis and create light afterwards.

You should be both sensible and know what is obvious and yet still believe that God can do anything.
 
Who says there wasn't dust that coalesced into rocky planets and a ball of gas that later started a fusion reaction providing light. Just for example. Who said God can't do it any way he likes.
 
We KNOW it revolves around the Sun so clearly there is a problem with thinking God is limited because you seem to think he can't fulfill the creation of the Earth in the order that he wrote it down in Genesis and create light afterwards.

You should be both sensible and know what is obvious and yet still believe that God can do anything.

It would appear to me that more likely there were no words handed down by the/a supernatural being. God could have taken his time. God could have taken billions of years. We really don't know for sure. But because we can't explain it, or prove it, we created a book, scriptures, The Bible, the Koran, the (___________ whatever fits). We attempted to explain why we are what we are and how we got here. There is a shitload of metaphors in The Bible - so it seems anyway.
 
We KNOW it revolves around the Sun so clearly there is a problem with you thinking God is limited because you seem to think he can't fulfill the creation of the Earth in the order that he wrote it down in Genesis and create light afterwards.

You should be both sensible and know what is obvious and yet still believe that God can do anything.
Except you're statements contradict scripture, which you clung to with a vengeance as the sole source of christian authority in past discussions. So you're saying now scripture is wrong? It can't be both. I also believe in the writings of the early church fathers, who do not agree with the ball earth-revolves-around-the-sun theories either. Scripture conflicts with ball earth and heliocentric theories.
 
It would appear to me that more likely there were no words handed down by the/a supernatural being. God could have taken his time. God could have taken billions of years. We really don't know for sure. But because we can't explain it, or prove it, we created a book, scriptures, The Bible, the Koran, the (___________ whatever fits). We attempted to explain why we are what we are and how we got here. There is a shitload of metaphors in The Bible - so it seems anyway.
Also the Bible was written by men in their own language in a time when they couldn't even know the extent of the Earth or map it. The Bible clearly intimates in various places that some things are beyond our comprehension. We have learnt a few things since the Bible was written. People try and apply our modern western thought processes to it like it's a science textbook. It can still be true in its own way.

Regarding the supernatural being statement, I think it takes more of a leap of faith to believe everything came into existence without God and for no reason than with God.
 
Except you're statements contradict scripture, which you clung to with a vengeance as the sole source of christian authority in past discussions. So you're saying now scripture is wrong? It can't be both. I also believe in the writings of the early church fathers, who do not agree with the ball earth-revolves-around-the-sun theories either. Scripture conflicts with ball earth and heliocentric theories.
No I'm saying scripture is not a science textbook. It can still be correct in its own way. In a way that may be a mystery to us. Do you believe in mysteries? I think you said you do. We will understand when we get to heaven. I am saying that scripture is correct and it happened as it said yet the Earth revolves around the Sun. It's up to you to work out how God did it or not. Find out when you get to heaven.
 
Except you're statements contradict scripture,
I don't think I've said anything that contradicts scripture. We interpret it differently.

Show me where it directly and unequivically says the Earth is the centre of the solar system or the universe.

The Bible describes the heavens and the earth in a way that the people who wrote it understood it. It's not however a science textbook.

Sunrise does not mean the sun rises and the Earth stays still. It's a way of looking at what we see without getting into the science of gravity and the Earth spinnign etc. It's still true in its own way. To us the Sun appears to rise. It's still true in its own way.
 
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So I've worked hard, I believe, to listen and understand your point of view. To give you credit for your belief system and why you believe what you believe. It doesn't seem you want to return the favor to see my point of view.
It's not that I don't care what you believe, it just doesn't bother me that you think differently than me. That seems to have been a problem for people in this thread. My "evidence" and their "evidence" are two different things. It's kind of an impasse.

I don't need to go to space to see that the Earth and most objects in this universe - are round balls.
Yet you cannot view the backside of the moon. It's appearance is that of a disc.

There is no way all the governments (or insert word) (including Russia and China) have conspired together to trick 8 billion people. That includes the 700+ whatever people that have actually been in space.
This is satan's world. He has conspired to deceive people into believing heliocentric theories of pagan origin. He has even convinced many people there is no God.

And the thousands of pictures, some home made, that show the curvature of all of these planets. During the last lunar eclipse you could see and almost feel the 'ball shaped' moon pass in front of the 'ball shaped' sun. You could see the light curve around it as it slowly passed by. Like an hour. It was pretty apparent to me anyway.
The pictures never materialize as anything convincing to me. They are always altered. Or composites. Color enhanced.
 
It's not that I don't care what you believe, it just doesn't bother me that you think differently than me. That seems to have been a problem for people in this thread. My "evidence" and their "evidence" are two different things. It's kind of an impasse.


Yet you cannot view the backside of the moon. It's appearance is that of a disc.


This is satan's world. He has conspired to deceive people into believing heliocentric theories of pagan origin. He has even convinced many people there is no God.


The pictures never materialize as anything convincing to me. They are always altered. Or composites. Color enhanced.
We can see some of the backside of the Moon at the edges with our own eyes on Earth due to our relative orbits and parallax we can see more than 50% of the moon at various points in time.
 
It's not that I don't care what you believe, it just doesn't bother me that you think differently than me. That seems to have been a problem for people in this thread. My "evidence" and their "evidence" are two different things. It's kind of an impasse.


Yet you cannot view the backside of the moon. It's appearance is that of a disc.


This is satan's world. He has conspired to deceive people into believing heliocentric theories of pagan origin. He has even convinced many people there is no God.


The pictures never materialize as anything convincing to me. They are always altered. Or composites. Color enhanced.


1. That's fair. It doesn't bother me either that we think different. I'm just curious. Hence the thread.
2. How could I? a. it doesn't spin, b. I can't see the back half of any ball, c. there is no sun light hiting it.
3. I don't believe in Satan - but I believe that you do.
4. So the people who post pics and video on Facebook, for example, of close up shots of the Moon and Saturn and Jupiter in particular are taking the time to alter all of these digital pics (some taken with iPhones) because they are all in on the conspiracy?
 
No I'm saying scripture is not a science textbook. It can still be correct in its own way.
Something is either correct or not correct. Now you bend it to your will for a secular discussion when previously used exact wording to defend your religious one. You are being inconsistent. Either the bible is authoritative and true, or it's just, as you said "the way people wrote it as they understood it" i.e written by obviously misguided and ignorant ancient man.

Let's not forget the Torah according to religious sources, was dictated to Moses on Mt. Sinai by God (Christ) himself. So you also have that to contend with. Also to contend with is that the entire idea of a spherical earth revolving around the sun is purely spawned by pagan, Greek, sources, not christian ones.
 
4. So the people who post pics and video on Facebook, for example, of close up shots of the Moon and Saturn and Jupiter in particular are taking the time to alter all of these digital pics (some taken with iPhones) because they are all in on the conspiracy?
What people? I quit facebook in 2012. I wouldn't believe anything I saw posted to that site.
 
Except you're statements contradict scripture, which you clung to with a vengeance as the sole source of christian authority in past discussions. So you're saying now scripture is wrong? It can't be both. I also believe in the writings of the early church fathers, who do not agree with the ball earth-revolves-around-the-sun theories either. Scripture conflicts with ball earth and heliocentric theories.

The church fathers would have had no way of knowing one way or the other. If there is a God, is it possible that he/she/it tried to communicate to us his wishes but because he is not human, all he could do was to 'convey' it? A day on Earth in the bible could be a billion years in real life. Is that not possible? Is it possible the church fathers had no frickin clue what was going on and made up some stuff?

BTW - I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything. Just curious. Everyone do you :yes:

Also the Bible was written by men in their own language in a time when they couldn't even know the extent of the Earth or map it. The Bible clearly intimates in various places that some things are beyond our comprehension. We have learnt a few things since the Bible was written. People try and apply our modern western thought processes to it like it's a science textbook. It can still be true in its own way.

Regarding the supernatural being statement, I think it takes more of a leap of faith to believe everything came into existence without God and for no reason than with God.

Well said.

I believe in carbon dating, telescopes, inner galactic dust, red shifts, supernova, black holes, worm holes, quantum physics, Pangea, evolution, natural selection, and the formation of limestone over millions of years of sea levels rising and falling. Tide pools kicked things off. And some lighting and an asteroid or two. So not a leap of faith at all for me :dunno:
 
I don't think I've said anything that contradicts scripture. We interpret it differently.
In past debates thumb considers his interpretation authoritative and absolute. Good to see a little humility here.
Will someone please tell him to unblock me already? He should appreciate that I am familiar with the Bible at least.
 
I believe in carbon dating, telescopes, inner galactic dust, red shifts, supernova, black holes, worm holes, quantum physics, Pangea, evolution, natural selection, and the formation of limestone over millions of years of sea levels rising and falling. Tide pools kicked things off. And some lighting and an asteroid or two. So not a leap of faith at all for me :dunno:
The leap of faith for a physicist is to believe all that stuff (matter) existed in the first place for no reason.
 
The leap of faith for a physicist is to believe all that stuff (matter) existed in the first place for no reason.

Agreed. Either way, it takes us to the beginning of time - which I don't think we will ever know for sure. But I can firmly believe and see for myself that natural selection is what got us here. How all the matter in the universe got here I have no idea. Maybe it was aliens.
 
Agreed. Either way, it takes us to the beginning of time - which I don't think we will ever know for sure. But I can firmly believe and see for myself that natural selection is what got us here. How all the matter in the universe got here I have no idea. Maybe it was aliens.
If natural selection got us here and I'm not saying it 100% did or didn't, there is still nothing to say that the system of natural selection wasn't by intelligent design.
 
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