That's why he quoted "facts". His point and mine is that what we think are "facts" often change. I don't think he is dismissing evidence, but rather saying the evidence is not as conclusive as you think, barring NASA "Proof".
@SatanicPanic better watch out he put me on ignore because he thinks I'm a satanist
So were plants made before the sun, or did the author of Torah, Christ, get it wrong? Was the sun actually made before earth or was earth fashioned before the celestial bodies?
Yes, then 25 years later new evidence changes the whole works and the older theory is condemned by people on guitar forums.
No they are not but the scriptures themselves do not align with a heliocentric, globe earth.
All good. I don't see how my mind can change if I believe scripture over science in this instance. I have no beef with science that doesn't attempt to challenge, i.e discredit scripture but I def reject that which does.
What evidence confirms it 100%, apart from the "proof" of NASA pics? People have debated this for centuries, nay, millenia. If it was easily proven they wouldn't have. The only definitive "proof" came in 1946 with pictures from a camera on top of a captured German V-2 ballistic missile, which to be fair, are not even that compelling to me.
No worries Brother 3.
I don't see a curve on the left hand picture.
Actively seeking to have a spiritual experience through prayer, meditation, dreams, visions, spells drugs, etc is looking to experience a phenomena. The spirit world can mislead and harm you through those things so those types of experiences are ignored within orthodoxy but are embraced by pagan religions who actively seek them out.
Indeed brother.
I disagree, to an extent. While currently the talk is regarding religion, there has been numerous statements about empirical facts too. It does not sound like VBF is open to changing his mind about whether he thinks the earth is a sphere, but it also sounds like that is a separate matter from whether the empirical evidence supports it. I think he's hinted at if not outright said that if the empirical evidence supports a ball earth, he'd attribute it to Satan manipulating our perceptions. So, I'd say arguing about what the empirical evidence supports is still on the table, and is what I intend to do as time allows. How VBF chooses to interpret said empirical evidence, such as merely a trick from Satan, is separate and off the table for now it seems, or at least off topic and unproductive to discuss in the current context.
This is why I’m not that into eclipses. Being pumped for an eclipse is like looking to a horoscope for answers
I think it's really weird that they have hyped these events so much the past four or five years. People traveling from far and wide to be in the path of totality for five minutes. Maybe it's just a money making scheme but that is part of false religion too.
You don't need to teach me science literacy. But if you're really interested in being a part of the discussion you should refer to specific experiments, studies or evidence. I can't guess at what evidence you believe constitutes irrefutable proof because I don't think any of it does.
I've said this a number of times, but it's just not the sort of thing you can appreciate unless you experience it. At least it was that way for me. I only went to my first total eclipse in 2017 because a friend encouraged me. I didn't expect much, and thought everyone was a little goofy for getting so excited over space crap. Maybe it was just psychological, but I have to say it was impactful on a deep level for me, so much so that I consider it a 'spiritual' experience. But sure, I can see how these sorts of events are hyped and commercialized, and how they are distractions or basis for false religion from a Christian perspective.