Mojotone price increase !!!

[Al Chapo]

If anything especially in with higher inflation......

Tarrifs kind of help tame inflation too as they affect demand on some level.

Being pretty well the de facto demand driven market, the chain of supply suffers now. If you're in the business of the "supply" side of the process, what's that going to do again? I think I read about this in a text book once upon a time.

Agreed, except that tariffs do not create inflation. Tariffs produce higher prices, but inflation is expanding the supply of money or credit.

Why would that ever need to be done?

I buy used
I win

That is fantastic news for today's manufacturing process.

So who exactly dialed up all this political bullshit when the components of a guitar cabinet can easily be sourced from the US where you pay zero tariffs? Casters from SCC in West Reading, Tolex from Keyline in Trenton, plywood from a million mills all over the US.

If you specifically select foreign made speakers that's the only component that should be subject to rariffs.

Methinks we have more than a few butthurt europeons and chinese bots in here.

Go source the parts and let us know how much cheaper life got for you.

 

[Eazy-ESP]

I just live in Australia where everything was expensive before and forever shall be. We don’t need tariffs for that!

 

[Klauth]

So who exactly dialed up all this political bullshit when the components of a guitar cabinet can easily be sourced from the US where you pay zero tariffs? Casters from SCC in West Reading, Tolex from Keyline in Trenton, plywood from a million mills all over the US.

If you specifically select foreign made speakers that's the only component that should be subject to rariffs.

Methinks we have more than a few butthurt europeons and chinese bots in here.

Thank you

 

[RedPlated]

So who exactly dialed up all this political bullshit when the components of a guitar cabinet can easily be sourced from the US where you pay zero tariffs? Casters from SCC in West Reading, Tolex from Keyline in Trenton, plywood from a million mills all over the US.

If you specifically select foreign made speakers that's the only component that should be subject to rariffs.

Methinks we have more than a few butthurt europeons and chinese bots in here.

I for one specifically made it a point not to make this political. As a business owner, I refrain from making political statements and opinions in public forums. There are many times I’d love to interject my partisan opinions, but I don’t appreciate businesses that do that. You alienate one portion of your customer base and you really should be unbiased as a business, in my opinion.

Even though I don’t agree with someone’s political stance, I can respect it (most the time, within reason).

I didn’t post my original statement with the intent of taking sides politically. But I do think people need to hear first hand, real-world experience from a business owner about the reality of tariffs and the issues they create.

As I said in my original post, the first response is always, “buy parts from the US then, and don’t pay tariffs.”

Buying parts from the US will cost even more than paying tariffs in most cases. And prices for the end consumer will be so high that you won’t sell anything and can’t compete. People think it’s some sort of easy solution until you’re in the position to actually have to buy the parts.

I seriously doubt I could even find half the parts needed to build an amp all Made in USA. Things like chassis, transformers and head shells I get from the US. But the electrical parts, good luck. And as said, the cost would be so prohibitive you’d never make a profit.

 

[Techdeth]

My credit is fucked

So your saying you don't care if other American small businesses and Americans are suffering...

Ok Got it !

I def feel the suffering . But I’m open to see what happens in the next year .

 

[Rackman]

I didn’t post my original statement with the intent of taking sides politically. But I do think people need to hear first hand, real-world experience from a business owner about the reality of tariffs and the issues they create.

Except your opinion has nothing to do with what's going on here. None of Mojotone's inputs to build a cabinet should be imported. Their primary input, plywood, has had very flat pricing within a couple percent band since before tariffs went into effect and much lower than what was seen in the years before that.

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/WPU083

So in the process of "not taking sides" all you did was spew bullshit and take sides, and in a way that is just flat wrong.

 

[Klauth]

Except your opinion has nothing to do with what's going on here. None of Mojotone's inputs to build a cabinet should be imported. Their primary input, plywood, has had very flat pricing within a couple percent band since before tariffs went into effect and much lower than what was seen in the years before that.

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/WPU083

So in the process of "not taking sides" all you did was spew bullshit and take sides, and in a way that is just flat wrong.

Thank you.

 

[Eazy-ESP]

I for one specifically made it a point not to make this political. As a business owner, I refrain from making political statements and opinions in public forums. There are many times I’d love to interject my partisan opinions, but I don’t appreciate businesses that do that. You alienate one portion of your customer base and you really should be unbiased as a business, in my opinion.

Even though I don’t agree with someone’s political stance, I can respect it (most the time, within reason).

I didn’t post my original statement with the intent of taking sides politically. But I do think people need to hear first hand, real-world experience from a business owner about the reality of tariffs and the issues they create.

As I said in my original post, the first response is always, “buy parts from the US then, and don’t pay tariffs.”

Buying parts from the US will cost even more than paying tariffs in most cases. And prices for the end consumer will be so high that you won’t sell anything and can’t compete. People think it’s some sort of easy solution until you’re in the position to actually have to buy the parts.

I seriously doubt I could even find half the parts needed to build an amp all Made in USA. Things like chassis, transformers and head shells I get from the US. But the electrical parts, good luck. And as said, the cost would be so prohibitive you’d never make a profit.

To be fair you said you saw it one way and have learnt it is now impacting you in a way you didn’t understand. I agree you aren’t being political. Just sharing your experience and understanding. Economics not politics.

But there is also no way this thread isn’t turning political. It’s a minefield.

 

[The~Kid]

So who exactly dialed up all this political bullshit when the components of a guitar cabinet can easily be sourced from the US where you pay zero tariffs? Casters from SCC in West Reading, Tolex from Keyline in Trenton, plywood from a million mills all over the US.

If you specifically select foreign made speakers that's the only component that should be subject to rariffs.

Methinks we have more than a few butthurt europeons and chinese bots in here.

Yeah I mean.....


The price of a guitar hasn't gone up if any over 5 years..... Yeah it's gone up but not a whole lot given everything.....


For example look at Fender or Charvel pricing..... Really hasn't changed much since 2020

 

[Rackman]

In today's economic lesson, we're going to learn that the way companies price their products has very little to do with the price of inputs (unless the product itself is a commodity) and a whole lot to do with supply and demand

And demand has a whole lot to do with inflation of the money supply. When you teleport free money into people's bank accounts, they spend it. With predictable consequences.

 

[Rackman]

If you want to understand the causes of inflation, you need to look at what is inflating, namely the money supply:

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/M2SL

and who is doing the inflating, namely unelected central bankers who have decided it is in their interest to devalue the currency.

 

[rstites]

Get used to it. Tariffs are out of control. I’m paying a lot of extra money in tariffs for parts to mod and build amps. Up to 44% extra.

Everyone thinks other countries are absorbing these costs. They 100% are not. They are all passed on to the consumer in the US. It’s a tax on Americans disguised and sold as a tariff on other countries.

The common response is, “well, buy US made products then.” That’s totally and completely unrealistic. Go source parts to build an amp
from the US. Not going to happen. They’re all made overseas.

I can empathize. I'm trying to build a new lab right now and getting solid quotes on electronic test equipment is really tough, especially given our lead times on things. We're always months out due to being an educational institution and we're already running on thread-thin budgets. Generally, we can get suppliers to work with us, but the increases are too far for them to be able to manage to enough for us to fully stock what we budgeted.

My resupply for components hasn't been too bad yet, but part of that is I'm holding out until the new lab storage is ready.

 

[RedPlated]

Except your opinion has nothing to do with what's going on here. None of Mojotone's inputs to build a cabinet should be imported. Their primary input, plywood, has had very flat pricing within a couple percent band since before tariffs went into effect and much lower than what was seen in the years before that.

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/WPU083

So in the process of "not taking sides" all you did was spew bullshit and take sides, and in a way that is just flat wrong.

I really don’t know why you’re so angry. It’s kind of weird, actually. I was pretty civil in my responses.

It does have everything to do with what’s going on here. Do you really believe the only thing Mojotone makes is cabinets? And do you think they’re going to raise prices on some items 50% and others nothing at all? No, because people won’t buy things at 50% higher prices. So you raise prices across the board to cover your total increase in costs. Bottom line, even if they source all their cabinet parts from the US, the prices will go up to cover increases on other items.

These tariff costs are hidden everywhere. Even CE distribution has raised its prices on everything. No separate “tariff” charge, just higher actual part costs. Mouser on the other hand, lists tariffs separately so you see exactly how much extra you’re paying.

 

[Rackman]

I really don’t know why you’re so angry. It’s kind of weird, actually.

I'm not angry. I'm pointing you to economic facts that show you're wrong and have no understanding of what's going on. Those are two different things.

 

[RedPlated]

I'm not angry. I'm pointing you to economic facts that show you're wrong and have no understanding of what's going on. Those are two different things.

You could be right. I never claimed to be anything close to an economist. I’m not going to claim to be an expert on the subject. And I can admit when I’m wrong, just like when I was corrected about inflation earlier in this thread.

But I know enough to know how this is affecting my business. You don’t need to be an expert for that. And I can’t see it being any better for too many others.

 

[Rackman]

Well in one respect guitar amps are worse off - we have no domestic production of suitable tubes any more due to a variety of factors, some of them nefarious (environmental legislation designed to close manufacturers of nearly everything, failure to defend the US electronics market in the 60s-80s) and some of them coincidental (the incorrect belief that FETs made for a better guitar amp).

Cabs though, it's hard to drive birch plywood production overseas since any plywood mill can make it and it's bulky and a bitch to ship. Not that the usual suspects wouldn't try to shut down every plywood mill in the US, but if they succeeded it would be impossible to build a house and they'd face voter blowback.

 

[skoora]

I really don’t know why you’re so angry. It’s kind of weird, actually. I was pretty civil in my responses.

It does have everything to do with what’s going on here. Do you really believe the only thing Mojotone makes is cabinets? And do you think they’re going to raise prices on some items 50% and others nothing at all? No, because people won’t buy things at 50% higher prices. So you raise prices across the board to cover your total increase in costs. Bottom line, even if they source all their cabinet parts from the US, the prices will go up to cover increases on other items.

These tariff costs are hidden everywhere. Even CE distribution has raised its prices on everything. No separate “tariff” charge, just higher actual part costs. Mouser on the other hand, lists tariffs separately so you see exactly how much extra you’re paying.

Very common in retail and maybe even wholesale to move costs around, either to units that have a ton of markup already and can absorb it or a general dilution into small percentages across the board. Also to consider energy costs that have gone way up. Cost of delivery of the goods, in and out and just to turn the lights on at Mojo has probably gone up a double digit percentage in the last year or two.
Plus a loft of people dealing in wood manufacturing were actually getting a certain percentage of lumber from Canada and/or Mexico.

 

[tjnx]

I'm not angry. I'm pointing you to economic facts that show you're wrong and have no understanding of what's going on. Those are two different things.

Incredible ignorance

 

[The~Kid]

So what the fuck is everyone tripping about....... Um prices don't seem so bad.....

 

[The~Kid]

There are also alternatives......

https://vboutiqueusa.com/product-category/guitar-cabinets/4-x-12-guitar-cabinets/